Guys that knock the Holmgren and Clarke era’s always seem to leave that contention part out…
I understood that Hextall wanted to rebuild the farm system but that wasn’t an excuse to let the NHL club sit for 5 years in mediocracy. The Hextall plan might have worked better had they done a better job drafting and developing.
- landros 2

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His plan was one move short he had to trade jake when he traded schenn or trade Simmonds when he traded schenn. It is all
Easy to see now

Wasn’t around over the weekend but that nurse contract was absolutely absurd no?
- ClaudeFather

Do you think his cap hit was high because he is playing for Edmonton and there is nothing to do up there?!
If you're going to stick me in a city that I'm not fond of i'd also ask for ridiculous amounts of money. If he was on another team I wonder how high his cap hit would have been
Do you think that factor has any effect on his cap and term?

Do you think his cap hit was high because he is playing for Edmonton and there is nothing to do up there?!
If you're going to stick me in a city that I'm not fond of i'd also ask for ridiculous amounts of money. If he was on another team I wonder how high his cap hit would have been
Do you think that factor has any effect on his cap and term?
- Bob Habib

100% had something to do with it, and they just saw a Dman walk. But he not only got the term but the term and the money . Obviously ton of Dmen just got that $9M range handed out but geez, that’s a lot of dough for him.

100% had something to do with it, and they just saw a Dman walk. But he not only got the term but the term and the money . Obviously ton of Dmen just got that $9M range handed out but geez, that’s a lot of dough for him.
- ClaudeFather

Edmonton is banking that he progresses as a player and somewhere down the line as salaries escalate, he'll be a bargain.

How many players did the Flyers have in the top point getters of the NHL?

Which of those players were Hextall picks?

How many true top dmen or young dynamic superstar forwards does this team have?

Hextall was nothing but a waste of time. The thought process was good but the execution or true commitment to a rebuild was never there.

This is largely a group of secondary players, who while likeable, struggle to really push this thing forward. You don’t win with just a bunch of secondary depth.

Giroux, drafted in 2006 is by far the most dynamic offensive player on the club. That rebuild. Didn’t gather nearly enough. There is a fallacy thrown out by the media this team is close, it’s nothing but a lie that’s good for marketing.

Edmonton is banking that he progresses as a player and somewhere down the line as salaries escalate, he'll be a bargain.
- MJL

I hear you but idk if that will ever be a bargain. He’s a very good player though and their number 1 Dman so it is what it is.

Kevin Hayes, and the rest of his Southie trash as faces of the franchise.

To those who spent actual time invested into this team, and know a bit more outside of Gritty.

Can see what an obvious attempt there is to try and market this thing to a younger, and more stupid crowd. Knowledgeable fans see through the bullpoop.
- FlyerFan3260

Anyone blaming hexy is just wrong. He said it wasn’t go time. He was correct. God only knows what moves would’ve been made. We will never know. The bigger problem is a bean counter running the hockey ops and having the power to just change course mid whatever. No direction. No leadership. Homer just sitting there really pisses me off. He threw hexy under the bus. You just don’t do that. You go down with the ship. How anyone can trust a word from upper management is beyond me.

Anyone blaming hexy is just wrong. He said it wasn’t go time. He was correct. God only knows what moves would’ve been made. We will never know. The bigger problem is a bean counter running the hockey ops and having the power to just change course mid whatever. No direction. No leadership. Homer just sitting there really pisses me off. He threw hexy under the bus. You just don’t do that. You go down with the ship. How anyone can trust a word from upper management is beyond me.
- Stayin alive

Well said. Under Hextall the product on the ice was lacking when signing a player like Michael Del Zotto to replace Kinmo Timonen for example but he did get us out from under bad contracts and filled the Cupboards with young talent, which is the direction the NHL is going in. At least I knew what Hextall’s direction was. I don’t know what Fletcher has done to warrant any kind of faith. The Wild have never done anything before or after him.

Well said. Under Hextall the product on the ice was lacking when signing a player like Michael Del Zotto to replace Kinmo Timonen for example but he did get us out from under bad contracts and filled the Cupboards with young talent, which is the direction the NHL is going in. At least I knew what Hextall’s direction was. I don’t know what Fletcher has done to warrant any kind of faith. The Wild have never done anything before or after him.
- SuperSchennBros

And I’m not even critical of cf. clearly Scott is directing a mandate and that mandate is so flawed with position Philly is in. Hopefully fletch can pull off some type miracle. I’d feel much better if we had a young star in the fold. But I am biased to belief it is needed to win cup.

- Tomahawk

That was us watching every game last season

And I’m not even critical of cf. clearly Scott is directing a mandate and that mandate is so flawed with position Philly is in. Hopefully fletch can pull off some type miracle. I’d feel much better if we had a young star in the fold. But I am biased to belief it is needed to win cup.
- Stayin alive

Jack Eichel is on the block. 24 year old star. We’ll only ever feel better if we ever get the second coming of Giroux fall into our laps again.

Pulling for Morin to grow his game and become a solid Flyers defenseman this year. His intimidation factor could definitely help the team.

The high majority of those "countless" years they were cup contenders. Guess they were supposed to rebuild then.

Hextall came in and should have torn it down. He didnt. He tried a half ass way that was never going ​to work.
- hello it's me 2050

And he didn't make the best of picks either, that surely didn't help. He did help turn our AHL team around with some decent picks for them though. Hextall was awful for this franshise. Glad they at least figured it out when they did and not 2 years later.

And he didn't make the best of picks either, that surely didn't help. He did help turn our AHL team around with some decent picks for them though. Hextall was awful for this franshise. Glad they at least figured it out when they did and not 2 years later.
- bradster

Hextall's draft picks were solid overall. Stating that a GM who cleared up the cap situation and built up the prospect base and added numerous quality NHL players that are now part of the backbone of the team that everyone is excited about was awful for this franchise, is mind boggling.

Right now JVR has trade value. He is coming off a good season, relatively speaking, and his contract is manageable at this point with only two seasons remaining. If not now, think about what is coming next season in terms of decisions for Fletcher. Does he extend G and Couts and if so is it a clean swap of contracts or are both going to ask for more? Also Farabee is a RFA next season and I expect him to get a hefty raise coming off what I hope will be an even better season than last year. Fletcher needs that cap space flexibility. If I were Fletcher, I would try to trade JVR either during this season, if the right deal comes along, or no later than after this season, because he is going to need the cap space flexibility. If am not concerned about losing JVR because the Flyers have younger players that I think are going to be ready to be in the top 9, including Lindblom, Allison and even Foerster.

Edmonton is banking that he progresses as a player and somewhere down the line as salaries escalate, he'll be a bargain.
- MJL

I think things on the cap front may be much better for the NHL than first thought. The league is coming off a 10 year $200M per season deal with NBC, and now has two TV deals in place for the next 7 seasons, ESPN is paying $420M per and Turner is paying $225 per, that is over a 3X increase in TV revenue. This has got to impact the cap in a positive way, right?

I think things on the cap front may be much better for the NHL than first thought. The league is coming off a 10 year $200M per season deal with NBC, and now has two TV deals in place for the next 7 seasons, ESPN is paying $420M per and Turner is paying $225 per, that is over a 3X increase in TV revenue. This has got to impact the cap in a positive way, right?
- jd250

It will in a small way. But when you are talking about billions in revenue normally...$645 million in revenue divided by 32 teams comes to a little over 20 million per team. Not a big chunk in the grand scheme.


The NHL is still largely a gate driven sport. They need the fans to come back, and to come back strong.

Hextall's draft picks were solid overall. Stating that a GM who cleared up the cap situation and built up the prospect base and added numerous quality NHL players that are now part of the backbone of the team that everyone is excited about was awful for this franchise, is mind boggling.
- MJL

Well his goal when he started was to clear up the cap, which he did a decent job, but which gm wouldn't have done a decent job if that was their number 1 goal. But you can give him credit for that all you want.

Mentioning his solid draft picks without mentioning his failure of other draft picks, certainly shows your bias on this narrative. If Hextalls job was to rebuild, why did he sign JVR to that contract? Trading Schenn for draft picks and signing JVR to that contract makes zero sense, are you rebuilding or are you going for it. Make up your mind Ron.

Well his goal when he started was to clear up the cap, which he did a decent job, but which gm wouldn't have done a decent job if that was their number 1 goal. But you can give him credit for that all you want.


- bradster

So your argument here is what GM wouldn't have done a decent job? Do I even need to comment on this?

Mentioning his solid draft picks without mentioning his failure of other draft picks, certainly shows your bias on this narrative. If Hextalls job was to rebuild, why did he sign JVR to that contract? Trading Schenn for draft picks and signing JVR to that contract makes zero sense, are you rebuilding or are you going for it. Make up your mind Ron.
- bradster

Your reply here is extremely funny. In stating that his draft picks were solid overall, I didn't mention any pick, good or bad specifically. What are you talking about?



The Flyers were attempting to remain competitive while reshaping the roster, clearing up the cap and building up the prospect base. He also was receiving pressure from upper management who was losing patience. The team had a need for a goal scoring winger, which is why he signed JVR.

Well his goal when he started was to clear up the cap, which he did a decent job, but which gm wouldn't have done a decent job if that was their number 1 goal. But you can give him credit for that all you want.

Mentioning his solid draft picks without mentioning his failure of other draft picks, certainly shows your bias on this narrative. If Hextalls job was to rebuild, why did he sign JVR to that contract? Trading Schenn for draft picks and signing JVR to that contract makes zero sense, are you rebuilding or are you going for it. Make up your mind Ron.
- bradster

Yes, he cleared up cap space but then look how Hextall spent it!

signed FA Evgeni Medvedev (1 year, $3 million AAV)
extended Jakub Voracek for eight years (8 years, $8.25 million AAV)
extended Gudas for four years (4 years, $3.35 million AAV),
signed Dale Weise (4 years, $2.35 million AAV),
extended Brayden Schenn for four years (4 years, $5,125 million AAV),
extended Brandon Manning for two years (2 years, $975k AAV)
signed FA James van Riemsdyk for six years (6 years, $7 million AAV)

Yes, he cleared up cap space but then look how Hextall spent it!

signed FA Evgeni Medvedev (1 year, $3 million AAV)
extended Jakub Voracek for eight years (8 years, $8.25 million AAV)
extended Gudas for four years (4 years, $3.35 million AAV),
signed Dale Weise (4 years, $2.35 million AAV),
extended Brayden Schenn for four years (4 years, $5,125 million AAV),
extended Brandon Manning for two years (2 years, $975k AAV)
signed FA James van Riemsdyk for six years (6 years, $7 million AAV)
- jd250

Weise is the only bad move there.

So your argument here is what GM wouldn't have done a decent job? Do I even need to comment on this?



Your reply here is extremely funny. In stating that his draft picks were solid overall, I didn't mention any pick, good or bad specifically. What are you talking about?



The Flyers were attempting to remain competitive while reshaping the roster, clearing up the cap and building up the prospect base. He also was receiving pressure from upper management who was losing patience. The team had a need for a goal scoring winger, which is why he signed JVR.
- MJL

well you seem to comment on everything because you want to argue constantly so feel free to comment away.

Yes, he cleared up cap space but then look how Hextall spent it!

signed FA Evgeni Medvedev (1 year, $3 million AAV)
extended Jakub Voracek for eight years (8 years, $8.25 million AAV)
extended Gudas for four years (4 years, $3.35 million AAV),
signed Dale Weise (4 years, $2.35 million AAV),
extended Brayden Schenn for four years (4 years, $5,125 million AAV),
extended Brandon Manning for two years (2 years, $975k AAV)
signed FA James van Riemsdyk for six years (6 years, $7 million AAV)
- jd250

that weise signing was awesome...hahahaha. i remember when i saw that come through i was with a pens fans and he started laughing so hard. And i couldnt defend it at all. Good job ronnie

you can talk about the patrick rubstov leberge etc picks also, why stop at his ridic signings lol. This is getting entertaining. Almost as entertaining as the hextall defenders.

Weise is the only bad move there.
- MJL

OMG that is hilarious.