Fair enough. I do not think he will be a key factor in the success the team has this season.

He had 18 points in his last 38 games. 7 goals in that same span. Flyers better hope that isnt the start of his decline.
- hello it's me 2050

If you recall the month of March was one of the worst spans in team history, probably had something to do with it.

If you recall the month of March was one of the worst spans in team history, probably had something to do with it.
- ClaudeFather

Well he was part of that worst span. So what about the month of Feb and April.

We already have to make up jakes production , no chance we can make up him and Jvr. If Atkinson is healthy I like that we have a couple of net driving wingers in the top 9.
Alison could even make 3
- ClaudeFather

Yes, the mix is much better, if G, Laughton, Hayes and Coots play to their potential and you just get a solid Frost, the mix of winger should pay off

For this to happen that means the Flyers would be out of the playoff hunt at that point.

True colors come out.


The only Status Quo in here is the vapidity of your opinions.
- MBFlyerfan

Actually laughable if you believe Jvr is some savior of flyers playoff chances. Or that he him being moved could only happen if they’re out of playoff position.

Did it occur at any point that Jvr is a 3rd line drag. That possibly others surpass him for ice time? That possibly with diminished role he request trade?

Or is that status quo of my opinions

Or surely pay 7 mil for a 3rd line winger that adds squat in tangibles.

Jvr is and always has been the ultimate pigeon. Just like g said

Agree 100%. Yet the coaches imo do not put the players they have in best position to execute said PP.
- hello it's me 2050

I’m hoping they come out with a new look this year. With jake gone they kinda have too…..they were predictable

Actually laughable if you believe Jvr is some savior of flyers playoff chances. Or that he him being moved could only happen if they’re out of playoff position.

Did it occur at any point that Jvr is a 3rd line drag. That possibly others surpass him for ice time? That possibly with diminished role he request trade?

Or is that status quo of my opinions

Or surely pay 7 mil for a 3rd line winger that adds squat in tangibles.

Jvr is and always has been the ultimate pigeon. Just like g said
- Stayin alive

So we can move him….for who or for what?

Did you watch at all last season?! There were games where JVR was our gets player out there on both sides of the puck
But that could also be why we sucked so bad last year....
Honestly I was surprised by JVRs game last year. I think now that he is older he is modifying his game to stay relevant and earn his money
As usual thought we disagree, huh?
- Bob Habib

Yeah I watched. Here’s what I saw. And here’s what I think people are for some reason misconstruing Jvr with.

Yes Jvr played at best average defensively last season compared to the team play. But is that the bar now? He’s always played somewhat ok defensively for most of games.

Did he play above and beyond or take some miracle step to evolve his game? Or did he “look better” because a lot of players looked bad or made bad plays that stuck out?

Jvr is what he is. Always has been. Yeah once in a blue moon you see some high skill. And once in a blue moon he gets a bug up his butt and plays with some hustle and purpose. But a lot of players are that way. They are known for a specific skill they excel in or are better at.

At 7mil to play pp specialist role and 3rd line wing minutes you better be 40 goal scorer consistently if that’s all you bring or it’s just not worth it.

Again I saw absolutely nothing new in Jvr last season. Same ol same ol. It just mirage due to all the other issues that went on.

If those issues solved and don’t appear this year and Jvr plays same as last year would it make people think his game is better? That’s a hard no. Hey Jvr at 3-4 mil tops absolutely fine for the role. At 7 mil it is a cap killer.

Maybe yes….but at least with JVR there’s a history…you kinda of know what your getting…I really liked Allison’s game last year, but it’s 14 games. As well I don’t see anyone eating JVRs 7 mill salary…so we would be taking something back, that’s just the reality.
Let’s hope Allison can stay healthy and become a big part of this team. We need his size and physicality up front.
- landros 2

Isn’t it funny (well not funny) that we keep getting into these situations with players that “nobody is eating his salary” doesn’t that tell you something. That really says it all doesn’t it?

And his size means NOTHING. He’s never used his size. It’s just not in his nature and he’s never been physical type player. Which is a shame. If he had that killer instinct he could’ve been a beast.

Wishing and hoping Jvr will play that type game consistently is just not realistic. These type deals are what’s wrong with philly. Yeah if you’re a cup contender you can afford to take player on like this if it puts you over the top but when you have 3-4-5 contracts of players that “nobody will eat the salary” it’s for a reason 99% of the time. They don’t live up to the contract and you become mediocre at best for long period of time.

Yeah I watched. Here’s what I saw. And here’s what I think people are for some reason misconstruing Jvr with.

Yes Jvr played at best average defensively last season compared to the team play. But is that the bar now? He’s always played somewhat ok defensively for most of games.

Did he play above and beyond or take some miracle step to evolve his game? Or did he “look better” because a lot of players looked bad or made bad plays that stuck out?

Jvr is what he is. Always has been. Yeah once in a blue moon you see some high skill. And once in a blue moon he gets a bug up his butt and plays with some hustle and purpose. But a lot of players are that way. They are known for a specific skill they excel in or are better at.

At 7mil to play pp specialist role and 3rd line wing minutes you better be 40 goal scorer consistently if that’s all you bring or it’s just not worth it.

Again I saw absolutely nothing new in Jvr last season. Same ol same ol. It just mirage due to all the other issues that went on.

If those issues solved and don’t appear this year and Jvr plays same as last year would it make people think his game is better? That’s a hard no. Hey Jvr at 3-4 mil tops absolutely fine for the role. At 7 mil it is a cap killer.
- Stayin alive

His contract is what it is, idk why you keep harping on this.

So we can move him….for who or for what?
- landros 2

That contract is killing us!! Just rambling nonsense lol

Isn’t it funny (well not funny) that we keep getting into these situations with players that “nobody is eating his salary” doesn’t that tell you something. That really says it all doesn’t it?

And his size means NOTHING. He’s never used his size. It’s just not in his nature and he’s never been physical type player. Which is a shame. If he had that killer instinct he could’ve been a beast.

Wishing and hoping Jvr will play that type game consistently is just not realistic. These type deals are what’s wrong with philly. Yeah if you’re a cup contender you can afford to take player on like this if it puts you over the top but when you have 3-4-5 contracts of players that “nobody will eat the salary” it’s for a reason 99% of the time. They don’t live up to the contract and you become mediocre at best for long period of time.
- Stayin alive

What we had to give to get rid of ghost.

JVR is a good and still a useful player for the Flyers. Factor in he is highly respected in the locker room and has altered his game to fit the style of play that AV wants and expects from the team. He has become a pretty decent 2 way player who will pot you 20 to 25 goals a year at this stage of his career.

iIs he overpaid ? Perhaps, but I think every team has that one big contract that value in dollar terms out weights the performance they are getting from the certain player.

He can be streaky in scoring and can go through stretches where he is a non factor but he has found other ways to contribute last season.

I think it's safe to say the top 4 on the wings are Farabee,Konecny,Atkinson and G.
Will Allison and Linblom have major roles and play significant minutes next year on a third line?

If Frost makes the team and is our 3LC and Thompson is the 4LC, where would Laughton fit in. Does he play on the fourth line? third line wing?

There is alot of uncertainty and alot of questions about how the third line will shape out in training camp. I do think having a JVR on your third line is not a bad thing. He brings experience and a scoring element that you are not certain you will get from the other options.

If the young guys blow the doors off and have a productive year , I can see JVR would become expendable .

Alot of uncertainties of a third line of Linblom -Frost-Allison at this moment.
- Ottawa O&B

1 big contract …..
G
Jake
Jvr
Ghost
Hayes
That’s 5 that play well below their contracts about 40% of cap last year. The more they rid of these contracts the better.

Actually laughable if you believe Jvr is some savior of flyers playoff chances. Or that he him being moved could only happen if they’re out of playoff position.

Did it occur at any point that Jvr is a 3rd line drag. That possibly others surpass him for ice time? That possibly with diminished role he request trade?

Or is that status quo of my opinions

Or surely pay 7 mil for a 3rd line winger that adds squat in tangibles.

Jvr is and always has been the ultimate pigeon. Just like g said
- Status Quo

Hey you keep doing you.

Maintain that personal Status Quo!

I heard a rumor the NHL may institute a new change for the season:

Instead of worrying about wins and stuff they are going to add up all the points the players produce on each team and whoever has the most wins the Stanley Cup....

To everyone who says he is a one trick pony, you clearly didn’t watch the end of last season. He was physical, chirped guys and got in the opponents faces. He’s a vet with a unique skill set. Not many guys can deflect better than he can (except maybe Pavelski) and he is big and can take punishment in front of the net. Not many guys with those two assets in the league.
- AngryJoe

Oh. Cool !!! He chirped guys toward end of season. Great!!!

Give me the guy 20 games earlier that plays above his role to ignite team. Idk maybe like Oscar fighting ( which where was this big pysical Jvr) oh yeah Pigeon was he.


Shocker

Fair enough. I do not think he will be a key factor in the success the team has this season.

He had 18 points in his last 38 games. 7 goals in that same span. Flyers better hope that isnt the start of his decline.
- hello it's me 2050

But but but didn’t you see how rounded he was toward end of the season? 7 mil laughable that anyone would want him to stay. I mean sure if there wasn’t a cap.

I’m hoping they come out with a new look this year. With jake gone they kinda have too…..they were predictable
- Peter Richards

You’re gonna be sorely disappointed hoping the come out with different look. As long as g/coots/Jvr here playing key minutes the same will happen as in the past. They removed 1 player from the “core” that’s not gonna cut it. This team hopefully implodes early and hard forcing more changes and movement of the roster.

So we can move him….for who or for what?
- landros 2

Same as ghost. You get nothing. You hopefully don’t lose assets to rid team. You can’t expect to move him for much. At best you get some asset for him as he does have some value only 2 years left and actual salary paid is lower

It’s about turning roster over

You’re gonna be sorely disappointed hoping the come out with different look. As long as g/coots/Jvr here playing key minutes the same will happen as in the past. They removed 1 player from the “core” that’s not gonna cut it. This team hopefully implodes early and hard forcing more changes and movement of the roster.
- Stayin alive

way what you want about them no winning and it is true, say what you want about the core but to use Coots in your post as an example ...

His contract is what it is, idk why you keep harping on this.
- ClaudeFather

You me and everyone SHOULD be harping loud as you can so these idiots in front office hear us. Because the bean counters care about one thing only. Profits.

Here’s example… coots/risto what will those contracts be? Are they part of the solution(cup winner) or part of the problem ( bad contracts that hamper cup contention)

Just accepting contract as “it is what it is” allows team to believe it’s accepted.

Fans actually do have have input. With your voice and your $$$.

Isn’t it funny (well not funny) that we keep getting into these situations with players that “nobody is eating his salary” doesn’t that tell you something. That really says it all doesn’t it?

And his size means NOTHING. He’s never used his size. It’s just not in his nature and he’s never been physical type player. Which is a shame. If he had that killer instinct he could’ve been a beast.

Wishing and hoping Jvr will play that type game consistently is just not realistic. These type deals are what’s wrong with philly. Yeah if you’re a cup contender you can afford to take player on like this if it puts you over the top but when you have 3-4-5 contracts of players that “nobody will eat the salary” it’s for a reason 99% of the time. They don’t live up to the contract and you become mediocre at best for long period of time.
- Stayin alive

This is true…but let’s not pretend the Flyers are the only team that has some contracts where by the players aren’t quite living up to salary wise. Yes JVR isn’t a 7 mill a year player, but he’s still productive.
There are way worse contracts that other teams have then JVR’s. The question stands though….for who ? Or for what? If he’s only good enough for 3rd line duty in Philly….then who’s trading for him and his 7 million 2 year year deal?

That contract is killing us!! Just rambling nonsense lol
- ClaudeFather

G
Jake
Jvr
Ghost
Hayes
Coots (pending)
Yeah when you step back and actually open your eyes the CONTRACTS not contract is killing us.

Which of these CONTRACTS is actually performing up to the value?

Exactly… just rambling surely

Same as ghost. You get nothing. You hopefully don’t lose assets to rid team. You can’t expect to move him for much. At best you get some asset for him as he does have some value only 2 years left and actual salary paid is lower

It’s about turning roster over
- Stayin alive

We gave up a second + to get rid of Ghost….but after the other moves it made sense. JVR makes 7 mill…that would take a 1rst plus a “A” type prospect? Not sure I’m on board with that….actually I’m not.

way what you want about them no winning and it is true, say what you want about the core but to use Coots in your post as an example ...
- wcorvette

Coots is in there why wouldn’t he be? He’s been here 10 years. And coots is more for the pending contract that is same ol same ol. How many times people gotta see this movie. We know he’s getting term. We know he’s getting $ we know he isn’t living up to it. Why be the team to do it. It doesn’t work.

Oh wait he’s as good as Bergy. Which is laughable in itself.
Selkes
Bergy 4
Coots 1

The biggest asset of both players and Bergy is light years ahead of coots.

G
Jake
Jvr
Ghost
Hayes
Coots (pending)
Yeah when you step back and actually open your eyes the CONTRACTS not contract is killing us.

Which of these CONTRACTS is actually performing up to the value?

Exactly… just rambling surely
- Stayin alive

Ghost is gone, Jake is gone... coots has far exceeded currently and will probably play up to the value of his next contract. Hayes earned it in year one, year two not so much. And as much as folks don’t like to admit, Giroux earns his contract as well. Jvr performs near his contract as well. So keep rambling