I think it's a very relevant concern and I believe is was a significant factor in why Nashville was willing to trade him.
- MJL

one reason among many

Ellis has played 70 or more games in an NHL season 4 times in 10 years. He has played one season where he played 82 games. Now to be fair there were some shortened seasons the last two and his rookie year.
- MJL

if he plays 60 games, you should be happy that your boy york will get a call up.

if he plays 60 games, you should be happy that your boy york will get a call up.
- bradster

You are again, incorrect. This is another instance in a long line of posts where you refuse to have a legit conversation. I'm beginning to understand why.

You are again, incorrect. This is another instance in a long line of posts where you refuse to have a legit conversation. I'm beginning to understand why.
- MJL

well you cant be crying that yandle is taking yorks spot one day, then not be happy york gets playing time the next day. .......make up your mind

The Dueces Wild " line of Fopa, Knuble and Gagne is extremely underrated.

Forsberg is on one of the few Flyers sweaters I own where I actually have the name on it. In this day of free agency and trades I usually go blank.

well you cant be crying that yandle is taking yorks spot one day, then not be happy york gets playing time the next day. .......make up your mind
- bradster

There is a serious lack of logic in this post.

Over blown on his durability. In regards to people feeling like he is in danger of having a career ending injury such as ACL tear or repeated shoulder injuries or concussions. Or that his injuries will contribute to a rapid decline. I said he will miss games. He has missed games. That I don’t dispute. That is a fact. His injuries aren’t ones that you see contribute to a rapid decline.
- peesinwind

Lot of guys end up worse for wear after accumulated injuries, even if they're seemingly unrelated. Especially the older the body gets, the harder it is to bounce back to 100% when you hurt anything.

With that said, Ellis isn't a guaranteed train wreck nor a lock to miss a ton of games. He might have to adjust the way he plays to protect his body a bit more, but he could still be effective until the end of his contract. Or not. We'll see.

The Dueces Wild " line of Fopa, Knuble and Gagne is extremely underrated.

Forsberg is on one of the few Flyers sweaters I own where I actually have the name on it. In this day of free agency and trades I usually go blank.
- Pelle31Forever

Lindros was fun, G had moments, but I've never seen anybody toy with the opposition the way Forsberg did. Lure guys in for a big reverse hit. Strip pucks at will. And stickhandle around the entire defense 2-3 times in one shift. The most exciting player I've ever seen here. And that was in his 30's playing on one foot!

Lot of guys end up worse for wear after accumulated injuries, even if they're seemingly unrelated. Especially the older the body gets, the harder it is to bounce back to 100% when you hurt anything.

With that said, Ellis isn't a guaranteed train wreck nor a lock to miss a ton of games. He might have to adjust the way he plays to protect his body a bit more, but he could still be effective until the end of his contract. Or not. We'll see.
- Tomahawk

No doubt that wear and tear is cumulative. There isn't any doubt in my mind that Nashville was willing to trade Ellis because they see him as declining and wanted to get out of the contract before it's too late. The good thing is that even a declining player can remain a good player into his 30's. It's just a question of how fast a player declines.

Lot of guys end up worse for wear after accumulated injuries, even if they're seemingly unrelated. Especially the older the body gets, the harder it is to bounce back to 100% when you hurt anything.

With that said, Ellis isn't a guaranteed train wreck nor a lock to miss a ton of games. He might have to adjust the way he plays to protect his body a bit more, but he could still be effective until the end of his contract. Or not. We'll see.
- Tomahawk

I think Ellis salary takes into account he may be declining. Look what Jones and Hamilton signed for. Ellis is a bargain

No doubt that wear and tear is cumulative. There isn't any doubt in my mind that Nashville was willing to trade Ellis because they see him as declining and wanted to get out of the contract before it's too late. The good thing is that even a declining player can remain a good player into his 30's. It's just a question of how fast a player declines.
- MJL

His actual play hasn't shown an iota of decline. Still highly productive and solid two way. But the wear and tear can accumulate, for sure.

The Dueces Wild " line of Fopa, Knuble and Gagne is extremely underrated.

Forsberg is on one of the few Flyers sweaters I own where I actually have the name on it. In this day of free agency and trades I usually go blank.
- Pelle31Forever

I snagged a Forsberg flyers jersey off eBay last year for $20. It’s great how many ol flyers sweaters you can find on EBay.

His actual play hasn't shown an iota of decline. Still highly productive and solid two way. But the wear and tear can accumulate, for sure.
- bmeltzer

You have to take everything you read with a grain of salt and always consider sources but I've read reports that he has shown decline. Why did Nashville make the deal?

His actual play hasn't shown an iota of decline. Still highly

productive and solid two way. But the wear and tear can accumulate, for sure.
- bmeltzer

so Bill give us the expert opinion...

was it that the Preds saw Ellis as declining/injuries or about to and that made them move him?


other factors
Preds are doing a rebuild on the fly, they can't win with the current team
They have other D and want to resign Ekholm, with out moving Ellis that would give them 3 long term D contracts above 6 mil cap hit, one being over 9. All three being 32 plus years, doesn't sound like a rebuild.
They got 2 players back that are young with potential, one right D with all the tools and one center which is an area of need, both fitting the rebuild.

Note - if you look at the roster it is amazing how many RFA or FA's they have after this upcoming season. There only real issues for the rebuild are MD, RJ upfront and convincing Forsberg to resign


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with the rebuild if I were the Flyers I would for sure check in with the Preds on Forsberg at the TD

I think Ellis salary takes into account he may be declining. Look what Jones and Hamilton signed for. Ellis is a bargain
- bradster

This doesn't make much sense. Jones and Hamilton signed as UFA's this off season. Ellis signed his deal two years ago and his salary had nothing to do with declining.

You have to take everything you read with a grain of salt and always consider sources but I've read reports that he has shown decline. Why did Nashville make the deal?
- MJL

Watch Nashville's games down the stretch last season after Ellis returned to the lineup. He was outstanding. Then posted 5 points in 6 playoff games. Still has plenty of game.

so Bill give us the expert opinion...

was it that the Preds saw Ellis as declining/injuries or about to and that made them move him?


other factors
Preds are doing a rebuild on the fly, they can't win with the current team
They have other D and want to resign Ekholm, with out moving Ellis that would give them 3 long term D contracts above 6 mil cap hit, one being over 9. All three being 32 plus years, doesn't sound like a rebuild.
They got 2 players back that are young with potential, one right D with all the tools and one center which is an area of need, both fitting the rebuild.

Note - if you look at the roster it is amazing how many RFA or FA's they have after this upcoming season. There only real issues for the rebuild are MD, RJ upfront and convincing Forsberg to resign


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with the rebuild if I were the Flyers I would for sure check in with the Preds on Forsberg at the TD
- wcorvette

My view is this. Many are looking at his cap hit for what is considered a top pairing all situations RH Dman and comparing it to what Jones and Hamilton got. I get that. My point is that cap hit for a player that Ellis is right now, is cheap. You'd pay a lot more in cap hit for a player of Ellis' caliber on the open market. That's a player you keep! Not trade. I also look at the return. Although I'm high on Myers, he is still young and unproven. Add in Patrick. They couldn't do better on the return for a top pair RH all situations defenseman with a great cap hit and cost controlled for 6 more years? Something doesn't add up.

This doesn't make much sense. Jones and Hamilton signed as UFA's this off season. Ellis signed his deal two years ago and his salary had nothing to do with declining.
- MJL

you can disagree, I think ellis' contract is a bargain, so even if he declines a bit he will still earn his pay

Lindros was fun, G had moments, but I've never seen anybody toy with the opposition the way Forsberg did. Lure guys in for a big reverse hit. Strip pucks at will. And stickhandle around the entire defense 2-3 times in one shift. The most exciting player I've ever seen here. And that was in his 30's playing on one foot!
- Tomahawk

Totally agree. Forsberg was the most talented player I've seen on the Flyers. Just loved watching him handle the puck, make pinpoint passes, react to the game. Incredible. Too bad he was in decline and we didn't get more years of that.

I think many of us are still spoiled by having Lindros during his peak. Now we want every player on the roster to be able to score, hit, fight, take over a game, etc.

Watch Nashville's games down the stretch last season after Ellis returned to the lineup. He was outstanding. Then posted 5 points in 6 playoff games. Still has plenty of game.
- bmeltzer

Why do you think Nashville made this deal? I have no doubt that the Flyers got a really good player. For now.

My view is this. Many are looking at his cap hit for what is considered a top pairing all situations RH Dman and comparing it to what Jones and Hamilton got. I get that. My point is that cap hit for a player that Ellis is right now, is cheap. You'd pay a lot more in cap hit for a player of Ellis' caliber on the open market. That's a player you keep! Not trade. I also look at the return. Although I'm high on Myers, he is still young and unproven. Add in Patrick. They couldn't do better on the return for a top pair RH all situations defenseman with a great cap hit and cost controlled for 6 more years? Something doesn't add up.
- MJL

So earlier when the trade was made, you didn't like the trade. You hated giving up Meyers "potential" even though he is 24yrs old. Now they couldn't do better. you flip and flop more than a fish out of water. Which is the exact same thing that you always call people out on. Now for the last week you keep saying, why would they make this trade....maybe they wanted a young center? There could be many reasons, Maybe they want to wait a couple more years to see if meyers can be a solid 6 D, and chuck wanted the better player now.....Anyway, carry on

Why do you think Nashville made this deal? I have no doubt that the Flyers got a really good player. For now.
- MJL

To me it came down to the term on the contract. Flyers took on the whole thing and paid market value for that player with his whole contract. Not sure many teams were willing to take on the whole contract.

I snagged a Forsberg flyers jersey off eBay last year for $20. It’s great how many ol flyers sweaters you can find on EBay.
- arichardson22

I have a couple of Forsberg jerseys. Still love that he was our Captain for a short period of time.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen watching a game is when vs Pitt, Nitty was so mesmerized by a replay on the big screen of a move by Forsberg that he wasn't paying attention when the puck was dropped in the neutral zone. Talbot immediately shot it and scored. haha thank god we won that game in OT like 6-5 as I remember it.

How does one get to play in the alumni fantasy camp?

almost as good as wash trading steve eminger for a 1st
- 2Real

imagine had we kept that 1st and drafted carlson, our RHD problem would have been solved years ago