You're so incredibly painful.

I explained it in a post already in this very thread between Feds and I. You just have an incredible inability to consider other variables and scenarios.
- Rinosaur

"hE oNlY sIgNs tHe bAd fReE aGeNtS"

Maybe there's something in the water in Pittsburgh over the past 15 years that tells them to go for the 2nd tier FA's because they won't be player for the Tier 1's

Because that's been the trend

"Resign your own guys, Trade for guys, FA's will be 2nd tiers or massive overpays, or both"

You have to see that it's beyond coincidence at this point... Or maybe you simply can't"

"tHeY nEvEr hAd aNy cApSpAce" is the laziest explanation possible

But it's a simple one, no it's not unexpected
- TheGame316

You're literally overlooking other points I made aside from cap space, so there's no point in trying to explain things you clearly can't comprehend.

You're literally overlooking other points I made aside from cap space, so there's no point in trying to explain things you clearly can't comprehend.
- Rinosaur

There was no "other point"

It was "We don't have any capspace" and "We don't have any capspace because they spent it on bad players"

Which is still

"wE dOnT hAvE aNy cApSpAcE"

which is ridiculously simple without analyzing other mitigating factors

"hE oNlY sIgNs tHe bAd fReE aGeNtS"

Maybe there's something in the water in Pittsburgh over the past 15 years that tells them to go for the 2nd tier FA's because they won't be player for the Tier 1's

Because that's been the trend

"Resign your own guys, Trade for guys, FA's will be 2nd tiers or massive overpays, or both"

You have to see that it's beyond coincidence at this point... Or maybe you simply can't"
- TheGame316

You have a major disconnect between the degrees of taking a discount and taking less than half to play with a contender. The idea that players like Hall, Saad or Coleman not taking $2M per year to play with Sid means playing for Pittsburgh either isn't desirable to players or viewed as a contender is just well, dumb, which what your arguments in general have been.

There was no "other point"
- TheGame316

Maybe it's time for you to get some reading lessons then.

Maybe it's time for you to get some reading lessons then.
- Rinosaur

Going at it with him again? I thought you would have learned your lesson by now. You can't fix stupid.

You have a major disconnect between the degrees of taking a discount and taking less than half to play with a contender. The idea that players like Hall, Saad or Coleman not taking $2M per year to play with Sid means playing for Pittsburgh isn't either isn't desirable to players or viewed as a contender is just well, dumb, which what your arguments in general have been.
- Rinosaur

So, Show me the Taylor Hall-esq player that signs an undermarket contract to play "In the Burgh"? Where did I say "play for pennies"? Just a Tier 1 FA, who chooses Pittsburgh and fills a need and plays for even a market value contract?

Show me the 1 year 4 million Hoffman type deals, even 1 over the past 15 years and I'm not talking guys like Sykora, Satan or Fedotenko (The TIER 2 GUYS)

Every year, The FA pool has at least 10 guys that would fit with the Pens, or are "in the mix" with the Pens and we don't close the deal.

Other teams don't hesitate to go over the cap to get their guy, and then move out money to make it work. So the current cap position at any given point isn't a prohibitive factor.

What's the reason?

Yup which the Pens have signed plenty of over the years.

People just also assume that because said players signed with other teams that they said no to the Pens without considering that maybe the Pens never made pitches for them or any other personal reasons that have anything to do with their own feelings about playing for the Pens.

Just because WE may want a certain player doesn't mean a GM feels the same, again, like signing JJ and Tanev. They didn't come cheap, so it wasn't like the Pens couldn't have ponied up just a little more money to get a fan-preferred player.
- Rinosaur

Let's treat this like a book report and pull out the key points for you since you think there's only one...

1) Cap has been an issue for most years of the Crosby era.

2) Just because WE fans think our GM should sign certain players doesn't mean they wanted them.

3) Just because a player didn't sign with the Pens doesn't mean they were approached and said no.

4) GM's identify needs and/or players we may not agree with.

Going at it with him again? I thought you would have learned your lesson by now. You can't fix stupid.
- burgh4life87

I'd love to hear your reason as to why the Penguins don't seem to be able to attract top tier, or value free agents

Got anything?

Going at it with him again? I thought you would have learned your lesson by now. You can't fix stupid.
- burgh4life87

I know I know. We're having a major IT issue at work and can't do poop right now so this is killing the time lol.

Let's treat this like a book report and pull out the key points for you since you think there's only one...

1) Cap has been an issue for most years of the Crosby era.

False

2) Just because WE fans think our GM should sign certain players doesn't mean they wanted them.

Explain why they don't sign ANY of them. Not even 1, except for the desperate tier 2 guys that we have to overpay? Is that 15 years of bad luck?

3) Just because a player didn't sign with the Pens doesn't mean they were approached and said no.

Again, 15 years of Free Agents and 15 years of holes in the lineup. Penguins didn't pursue ANY of them? That's your conclusion?

4) GM's identify needs and/or players we may not agree with.
- Rinosaur

Again, You assume the GM/Ownership didn't see a need for scoring in the top 6, saw the available players EVERY offseason and didn't pursue, even 1 of them?

You think our top 6 has been so deep and locked up for 15 year we just never needed a guy so the GM didn't pursue Free Agents?

I'd love to hear your reason as to why the Penguins don't seem to be able to attract top tier, or value free agents

Got anything?
- TheGame316

Don't do it!

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Again, You assume the GM/Ownership didn't see a need for scoring in the top 6, saw the available players EVERY offseason and didn't pursue, even 1 of them?

You think our top 6 has been so deep and locked up for 15 year we just never needed a guy so the GM didn't pursue Free Agents?
- TheGame316

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- Rinosaur

It's already clear that YOU don't have anything

You're willing to accept the simple explanation that "No Capspace, duh" and go with that, and that's fine

Whatever makes you feel better

The Domi issue imo is everyone acquired him hoping he can play center for them but he’s just not an NHL center. Very solid top 6 winger though.
- Feds91Stammer

Domi would be be a good acquisition for us, I just don't know what Jarmo would want from us, especially since we'd need him to retain.

Domi would be be a good acquisition for us, I just don't know what Jarmo would want from us, especially since we'd need him to retain.
- Victoro311

That's the real issue. I don't think Pettersson or Zucker make sense for CBJ and Hextall clearly isn't willing to part with significant future unless it's a major deal.

Domi would be be a good acquisition for us, I just don't know what Jarmo would want from us, especially since we'd need him to retain.
- Victoro311

I think Jarmo would take players with term. There's an exodus from Columbus and they need to try to get a winning culture going and stabilize their lineup to keep the guys they got and hopefully be able to attract SOME Free Agents, even if they have to overpay them to do so

Petts would be the only guy we could really offer, or Matheson

I think Jarmo would take players with term. There's an exodus from Columbus and they need to try to get a winning culture going and stabilize their lineup to keep the guys they got and hopefully be able to attract SOME Free Agents, even if they have to overpay them to do so

Petts would be the only guy we could really offer, or Matheson
- TheGame316

MOAR FREE AGINTSSS

MOAR FREE AGINTSSS
- Rinosaur

Overpays and Tier 2 guys, because Columbus

Unless it's because "tHeY wOuLd'T hAvE aNy cApSpAcE"

That's the real issue. I don't think Pettersson or Zucker make sense for CBJ and Hextall clearly isn't willing to part with significant future unless it's a major deal.
- Rinosaur

After losing McCann we can't really offer Zucker ourselves unless we're also signing Tatar. Need to magically conger up cap space for all of this.

After losing McCann we can't really offer Zucker ourselves unless we're also signing Tatar. Need to magically conger up cap space for all of this.
- Victoro311

Yeah. Pens are certainly in a pickle right now.

I think they need to target one of the older centers out there like Anisimov, Soderberg or Bozak right now. I would think one of them can be had around the $1M/$1.5M mark for a year, but it's so hard to get a read on this market.

Overpays and Tier 2 guys, because Columbus

Unless it's because "tHeY wOuLd'T hAvE aNy cApSpAcE"
- TheGame316

You remind me of that aussie guy so much lol.

You remind me of that aussie guy so much lol.
- Thrill81

He's basically him sans emojis.

Let's treat this like a book report and pull out the key points for you since you think there's only one...

1) Cap has been an issue for most years of the Crosby era.

2) Just because WE fans think our GM should sign certain players doesn't mean they wanted them.

3) Just because a player didn't sign with the Pens doesn't mean they were approached and said no.

4) GM's identify needs and/or players we may not agree with.
- Rinosaur

Doesn't make sense to argue with him anymore. He knows exactly what you mean. My guess is hates Hextall and there is really nothing he will be able to do to please him or just chooses to remain ignorant of the situation.

Doesn't make sense to argue with him anymore. He knows exactly what you mean. My guess is hates Hextall and there is really nothing he will be able to do to please him or just chooses to remain ignorant of the situation.
- stevens87

I don't think he actually gets it, but you're 100% right lol. I'm done arguing with him.