I've been told that Domi has an attitude problem and wouldn't be a good fit in the Leafs dressing room
- PatC80

He's about 20 rungs below Kadri on the desirable list. Hard pass.

I've been told that Domi has an attitude problem and wouldn't be a good fit in the Leafs dressing room
- PatC80

Does he? I haven't heard much about him that way. He has a terrifically punchable face. He's right up there with Tkachuk in punchable faces. Like on Jeopardy his face is shown on the Video Daily Double, and the answer is, "What is a face I want to punch?"

Anyway, just with this - and what Wedgie commented about: Domi seems like someone who would excel in the spotlight of Toronto. He seems like someone who craves that spotlight and attention.

If he's a total douche, then I'd agree that you don't need him in the room. If not, I think he's the type of guy who rises to the occasion here.

The year we traded Clarkson to get Horton - Horton's contract was not insured, so while he was on LTIR, they were paying his salary in actual dollars while Toronto was paying Clarkson because he wasn't hurt. We didn't want Clarkson and Columbus figured they'd rather have a real "player" than Horton's $5.25m (or whatever) in lost money, so they made the trade. Then Clarkson was legitimately hurt with a career ending injury.

Clarkson was moved to Vegas with a 1st & and a 2nd for Expansion Draft considerations, but the additional cost there was that Vegas was getting Clarkson off their LTIR (I'll explain in a sec).

When we re-acquired Clarkson, we traded Sparks to Vegas for Clarkson & a 4th.

The thing with LTIR space - the injured player's salary - it is ONLY applicable once you're over the cap. So if you're a poor team - like Columbus - then you're not spending to the cap, and the $5m in Clarkson's salary still counts against your actual cap and you don't get any LTIR relief.

If you spend right to the cap, then you get the LTIR relief because LTIR relief is a mathematical formula that gives you relief on what you can't spend because of the injury.

Here's an example:

Case 1: A team is spending $77m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $4.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it literally is worse for them, because the $5.5m counts against the cap first, and then LTIR second:

They are at $82.5m against the cap, and are eligible for $1m in LTIR relief. That's a worse situation than they were in.

Case 2: A team is spending $81m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $0.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it is better for them. The $5.5m is applied to their cap: $86.5m, and they are eligible for $5m in LTIR relief.

The actual formula is based on LTIR salary - cap room. So the closer you get to the cap before applying for LTIR relief, the better. If you're nowhere near the cap ceiling, then LTIR relief has no benefit.
- Monkeypunk

From how you've explained it, looks like the Leafs are in the perfect Cap situation to do this kinda move.

And thanks for going thru the trouble and laying it out for us nimrods because I was definitely confused before this post!

The poop he DMs me about you is really bad. I try to stick up for. He said you weren’t fit to live with the pigs and I said that was completely untrue.
- Canada Cup

Not nice.

From how you've explained it, looks like the Leafs are in the perfect Cap situation to do this kinda move.

And thanks for going thru the trouble and laying it out for us nimrods because I was definitely confused before this post!
- Barb34

Thanks. To tag one more thing onto this - because it's an important thing to note - I am fairly positive you need to be able to fit the player under the allotted capspace before you can acquire them.

So once the season starts and the actual cap is firm at $81.5m, the Leafs could not pull off this type of move without a significant contract already being on the LTIR (so for instance if Tavares were injured and on the LTIR, then you would have the space to make this type of contractual move). Right _now_ the cap is at $89.6m because it's extended by 10% in the off-season.

Does he? I haven't heard much about him that way. He has a terrifically punchable face. He's right up there with Tkachuk in punchable faces. Like on Jeopardy his face is shown on the Video Daily Double, and the answer is, "What is a face I want to punch?"

Anyway, just with this - and what Wedgie commented about: Domi seems like someone who would excel in the spotlight of Toronto. He seems like someone who craves that spotlight and attention.

If he's a total douche, then I'd agree that you don't need him in the room. If not, I think he's the type of guy who rises to the occasion here.
- Monkeypunk

I think he would do well here, maybe on JT's wing..

Does he? I haven't heard much about him that way. He has a terrifically punchable face. He's right up there with Tkachuk in punchable faces. Like on Jeopardy his face is shown on the Video Daily Double, and the answer is, "What is a face I want to punch?"

Anyway, just with this - and what Wedgie commented about: Domi seems like someone who would excel in the spotlight of Toronto. He seems like someone who craves that spotlight and attention.

If he's a total douche, then I'd agree that you don't need him in the room. If not, I think he's the type of guy who rises to the occasion here.
- Monkeypunk

Ef that, to many nice guys in that wussyfoot room.

The year we traded Clarkson to get Horton - Horton's contract was not insured, so while he was on LTIR, they were paying his salary in actual dollars while Toronto was paying Clarkson because he wasn't hurt. We didn't want Clarkson and Columbus figured they'd rather have a real "player" than Horton's $5.25m (or whatever) in lost money, so they made the trade. Then Clarkson was legitimately hurt with a career ending injury.

Clarkson was moved to Vegas with a 1st & and a 2nd for Expansion Draft considerations, but the additional cost there was that Vegas was getting Clarkson off their LTIR (I'll explain in a sec).

When we re-acquired Clarkson, we traded Sparks to Vegas for Clarkson & a 4th.

The thing with LTIR space - the injured player's salary - it is ONLY applicable once you're over the cap. So if you're a poor team - like Columbus - then you're not spending to the cap, and the $5m in Clarkson's salary still counts against your actual cap and you don't get any LTIR relief.

If you spend right to the cap, then you get the LTIR relief because LTIR relief is a mathematical formula that gives you relief on what you can't spend because of the injury.

Here's an example:

Case 1: A team is spending $77m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $4.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it literally is worse for them, because the $5.5m counts against the cap first, and then LTIR second:

They are at $82.5m against the cap, and are eligible for $1m in LTIR relief. That's a worse situation than they were in.

Case 2: A team is spending $81m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $0.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it is better for them. The $5.5m is applied to their cap: $86.5m, and they are eligible for $5m in LTIR relief.

The actual formula is based on LTIR salary - cap room. So the closer you get to the cap before applying for LTIR relief, the better. If you're nowhere near the cap ceiling, then LTIR relief has no benefit.
- Monkeypunk

Important to note-Lilybust is the only player in the org with a Perf bonus-400K. If he hits it the Leafs get a cap penalty IF they go the LTIR route.

Lilybust would likely be involved in the trade.

Kesler, Rakell for Lilybust, Engvall, 1st? Dunno the value of Kesler but if TB got a 2nd for it.

He's about 20 rungs below Kadri on the desirable list. Hard pass.
- winsix

So, you would prefer;

Nazem Kadri
19 other random NHL players
Max Domi

The year we traded Clarkson to get Horton - Horton's contract was not insured, so while he was on LTIR, they were paying his salary in actual dollars while Toronto was paying Clarkson because he wasn't hurt. We didn't want Clarkson and Columbus figured they'd rather have a real "player" than Horton's $5.25m (or whatever) in lost money, so they made the trade. Then Clarkson was legitimately hurt with a career ending injury.

Clarkson was moved to Vegas with a 1st & and a 2nd for Expansion Draft considerations, but the additional cost there was that Vegas was getting Clarkson off their LTIR (I'll explain in a sec).

When we re-acquired Clarkson, we traded Sparks to Vegas for Clarkson & a 4th.

The thing with LTIR space - the injured player's salary - it is ONLY applicable once you're over the cap. So if you're a poor team - like Columbus - then you're not spending to the cap, and the $5m in Clarkson's salary still counts against your actual cap and you don't get any LTIR relief.

If you spend right to the cap, then you get the LTIR relief because LTIR relief is a mathematical formula that gives you relief on what you can't spend because of the injury.

Here's an example:

Case 1: A team is spending $77m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $4.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it literally is worse for them, because the $5.5m counts against the cap first, and then LTIR second:

They are at $82.5m against the cap, and are eligible for $1m in LTIR relief. That's a worse situation than they were in.

Case 2: A team is spending $81m against the cap, and the cap is $81.5m. They are $0.5m under the cap. If the team adds an injured player making $5.5m, it is better for them. The $5.5m is applied to their cap: $86.5m, and they are eligible for $5m in LTIR relief.

The actual formula is based on LTIR salary - cap room. So the closer you get to the cap before applying for LTIR relief, the better. If you're nowhere near the cap ceiling, then LTIR relief has no benefit.
- Monkeypunk

Case 2 we have $500k to spend, we get a guy for 5.5 and LTIR $5m don’t we still have 500k to spend?

The poop he DMs me about you is really bad. I try to stick up for. He said you weren’t fit to live with the pigs and I said that was completely untrue.
- Canada Cup

Thanks for having my back CC.

If things do go well, there is a lot to be excited for. Not only does Liljegren have three years left on this deal, he only costs $863,333 against the cap. The fact that he’s had one more ELC slide than Sandin means the Leafs could keep Liljegren on a 21 man roster without trading any contracts.

Liljegren does have $400,000 of potential Performance Bonuses that would hinder a team using LTIR, but the fact that he was on the opening day roster when the Leafs placed their players on LTIR means the Leafs had a Performance Bonus relief pool of exactly $400,000.

Some more confusing cap poop but if they went the LTIR road Lilybust may not be able to play a game for the leafs.

Forget Kesler, trade for Shaw.

The Hawks are using his LTIR to fit everyone under the cap but have a whopping 3.5M in potential performance bonuses.

Which the Strome rumours makes sense now, they need to shed a cap hit unless they want to risk getting a 3.5M cap penalty next season.

Wonder if there is a move with Strome/Shaw the leafs can make.

They can both say thank you for including Shaw in the deal and just use a pick or prospect to get Strome.

Chicago has another 10-15 players under contract with Perf bonuses...Leafs have one. They set themselves up for this situation.

I think he would do well here, maybe on JT's wing..
- PatC80

To even begin to consider it, Columbus would have to eat half his salary.

I just don't see it happening.

Kinda like PK Subban to Toronto a couple of years ago.

Case 2 we have $500k to spend, we get a guy for 5.5 and LTIR $5m don’t we still have 500k to spend?
- Garnie

no, thy will have more than $500k to spend, because the LTIR Pool is the amount the team exceeds the Cap.

Like in your example;

if a player with a $5.5M Cap Hit goes on LTIR when the team has $500K of Cap Space available, the LTIR pool is $5M ($5.5M-$0.5M).
Basically, the closer to the max cap, the better

To even begin to consider it, Columbus would have to eat half his salary.

I just don't see it happening.

Kinda like PK Subban to Toronto a couple of years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

I think they’re looking at a bunch of types of trades. In order of likelihood, I think we’d see:

* bottom of the roster stuff - final D who’s not afraid of a mask and some more flexibility in terms of being able to move guys back and forth to Marlins;
* Kerfoot for last top 6 upgrade
* Rielly if his $ ask is too silly, they would want to check around about let word get back to him

To even begin to consider it, Columbus would have to eat half his salary.

I just don't see it happening.

Kinda like PK Subban to Toronto a couple of years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

To be honest, I don't think it will ever happen.. I think Dubas sees it as a distraction more than anything and to get CBJ to eat salary, the Leafs would need to add more

To even begin to consider it, Columbus would have to eat half his salary.

I just don't see it happening.

Kinda like PK Subban to Toronto a couple of years ago.
- Atomic Wedgie

I suggested it a couple days ago.

Kerfoot for domi (50% retained)

Domi plays 2nd lw

Kerfoot is getting paid to much for not having a defined role on the team.

If domi sucks it’s the last year of his contract.

I propose we trade for Crosby and send back the bits and pieces that add up to his salary that don't include any of our good players

He'd look good on Matthews' wing

Case 2 we have $500k to spend, we get a guy for 5.5 and LTIR $5m don’t we still have 500k to spend?
- Garnie

That is exactly correct. Actually I think the 500k that we had to spend disappears because the injured player's salary counts to the cap - until the cap is reached - and the remainder is effectively forgiven as LTIR relief.

Acquiring someone like Kesler does not allow us to sign other players that are worth 6.8 million total.

So, you would prefer;

Nazem Kadri
19 other random NHL players
Max Domi
- PatC80

Yes including Marincin who is a piece of poop but since he makes less than a million can be sent down. Domi is a distraction this Leaf team does not need.

Yes including Marincin who is a piece of poop but since he makes less than a million can be sent down. Domi is a distraction this Leaf team does not need.
- winsix

Does anybody in the Czech league make more than a million?

That is exactly correct. Actually I think the 500k that we had to spend disappears because the injured player's salary counts to the cap - until the cap is reached - and the remainder is effectively forgiven as LTIR relief.

Acquiring someone like Kesler does not allow us to sign other players that are worth 6.8 million total.
- Njuice

Read the link that Scabeh shared with you.

That is exactly correct. Actually I think the 500k that we had to spend disappears because the injured player's salary counts to the cap - until the cap is reached - and the remainder is effectively forgiven as LTIR relief.

Acquiring someone like Kesler does not allow us to sign other players that are worth 6.8 million total.
- Njuice

Its sounding like you can, Monkeypuck had a good explanation and I have been reading up on it.

Sounds like it absolutely gives you cap space but there are disadvantages.

Only half the league is even able to spend to the cap or past it so only half the league can even have LTIR benefits.

It doesn't allow you to accrue cap space and add major pieces at the deadline.

And finally if you have players with performance bonuses and you go over the cap with LTIR you are (frank)ed.

CHI has 3.5m in performance bonuses on their roster and 80% of potential call ups have performance bonuses. Which is the case for most teams. Where the Leafs only have Lil in their entire org with performance bonuses, they are built for this scenario.

Forget Kesler, trade for Shaw.

The Hawks are using his LTIR to fit everyone under the cap but have a whopping 3.5M in potential performance bonuses.

Which the Strome rumours makes sense now, they need to shed a cap hit unless they want to risk getting a 3.5M cap penalty next season.

Wonder if there is a move with Strome/Shaw the leafs can make.

They can both say thank you for including Shaw in the deal and just use a pick or prospect to get Strome.

Chicago has another 10-15 players under contract with Perf bonuses...Leafs have one. They set themselves up for this situation.
- Santo_44

Chicago is up there with Tampa in salary cap weaseling techniques. I'm sure Hossa's jock strap can be found. If anything they will be pushing the salary cap to as much as Tampa did last season.