I only went as far back as Toews/Kane drafts, not before. Way to ugly to look at most of the first rounders before Toews (Skille, Barker, Babchuk, Yakupov,.....)

I agree that they have dumped a bunch of 1st rounders, regardless of whether the reason was to offload salary, keep the window open, etc. my point was more that the picks themselves and the development cant be that bad considering a good percentage of them are regular NHL players, some on top lines.

At a certain point guys just are what they are regardless of draft slot or development. Was Pastarnak at 25th pick a result of Boston development, bad scouting by 24 other teams, late bloomer, A combination of all of the above?

Fans tend to get caught up in the hype machine. Lots of consternation over Jokiharju being traded, but he is showing he is just a guy. Boqvist, who knows. Maybe he lives up to his 8th pick in the draft, maybe not. Was he rushed to the NHL, probably. Maybe it makes a difference, maybe not.

As the number 3 pick you would expect Dach to be a building block, as were Kane and Toews, but the the NHL draft can fall off very quickly and the tiers of talent are sometimes just not there. Plenty of projected NHLers in the 1st round each year, only a handful can really be considered building blocks.
- TheTrob

I agree about the hype machine.....I try not to pay attention to prospects because frankly....they are just that. How many kids light up the OHL or college or the AHL and become moderate to fringe NHL players?

I don't disagree that picks are needed to properly build a team in a cap world.....I just don't lose my mind when a team trades one for a player already there in terms of development. Essentially losing years in regards to say a Seth Jones being 27 vs a kid who may only be 18-20...but you get a legit player and not somebody who MAY pan out....judging talent at 18-20 has to be ridiculously hard....likely why the margin for boom vs bust is so much greater in sports like hockey/baseball than say...the NFL.

You're assuming he plays with Kane. The line of Dach, Dinky and Kane hasn't worked as of yet.

All 3 like to carry the puck. I wonder how Dach, Kubalik and Hagel would do together. Hagel and Kubalik has some good moments together last season.
- Elbows15

very small sample size...but I thought they looked good in the Edmonton bubble. Eye test only......

That jump Dach made from March to August last year was substantial. No, it's likely not fair I expect as a fan another sizeable jump this year from Dach but I do.....not expecting a Kane/Toews stat line as you mentioned, but I do expect a more consistent showing that this kid is a top 6 player. He adds some muscle and maybe an extra step on his skating....and he can be a force. Firmly believe that.

In the last two day, the Bulls have committed 200M in salary. So much for Reinsdorf being cheap.
- Elbows15

Eh, what are the revenues coming in per team vs what Jerry spends. Spend to the limit like Wirtz does, smartly (debatable for all of us on this board) and we can talk turkey.....Pretty sure NBA has a MASSIVE TV deal based on these deals I am seeing being reported. When a small market team Milwaukee can reup a guy like the Greek freak, plenty of cash to go around.....and you know what.....that's good for balancing it all out.

Goal, Assist and a fight! good old Saskatchewan boy i was just on the bridge named after him the other day
- SaskHawkFan

Any bridges up there named after Probert?

All due respect, never will convince me a guy like Bobby Hull would take Probert in a tilt. Crazy thing is Probert actually had skill and wasn't just a goon out there.

Eh, what are the revenues coming in per team vs what Jerry spends. Spend to the limit like Wirtz does, smartly (debatable for all of us on this board) and we can talk turkey.....Pretty sure NBA has a MASSIVE TV deal based on these deals I am seeing being reported. When a small market team Milwaukee can reup a guy like the Greek freak, plenty of cash to go around.....and you know what.....that's good for balancing it all out.
- SteveRain

200M is still 200M dollars and the NBA salary cap is a world I refuse to explore. It makes figuring out LTIR look like 1st grade math

200M is still 200M dollars and the NBA salary cap is a world I refuse to explore. It makes figuring out LTIR look like 1st grade math
- Elbows15

NBA is dead to me after the whole "Decision" thing when colluding to win titles became the norm. Zero interest in the NBA....happy for those of you who are Bulls fans, and I have freinds/family that are, but I could care less if the NBA were to fold tomorrow.

Load management.......

Sounds like a control freak to me.
- Elbows15

HAHAHA... what happens when he doesn't make a perfect pass during practice? Sounds like he takes all of the fun out of life.

https://www.1stohiobatter...e-max-domi-per-report?amp

Columbus is interested in moving Max Domi.

Strome for Domi with the Jackets retaining 1/2 Domi’s salary?

4th line of Khaira, Domi, Connolly. Domi was 48.5 at the dot last year. Just asking. lol

https://www.1stohiobattery.com/columbus-blue-jackets-news/2021/08/6230/the-blue-jackets-are-looking-to-move-max-domi-per-report?amp

Columbus is interested in moving Max Domi.

Strome for Domi with the Jackets retaining 1/2 Domi’s salary?

4th line of Khaira, Domi, Connolly. Domi was 48.5 at the dot last year. Just asking. lol
- Ztra

No thanks, I’ll pass. Domi will want too much bread next season and he’s just not worth it. At $3 million Domi has value, $5.3+… not so much.

MAYBE if Columbus took back Strome and Connolly but I don’t see that happening.

Johnson #6 - Flip it’s a 9.
McCabe #16 - Flip it’s a 19

Done!! - Pure speculation.
- ChicagoHope

My guess…

Johnson - 90
McCabe - 39
Khaira - 16

https://www.1stohiobattery.com/columbus-blue-jackets-news/2021/08/6230/the-blue-jackets-are-looking-to-move-max-domi-per-report?amp

Columbus is interested in moving Max Domi.

Strome for Domi with the Jackets retaining 1/2 Domi’s salary?

4th line of Khaira, Domi, Connolly. Domi was 48.5 at the dot last year. Just asking. lol
- Ztra

Don’t think you’d be acquiring Domi to put him on the 4th line

No thanks, I’ll pass. Domi will want too much bread next season and he’s just not worth it. At $3 million Domi has value, $5.3+… not so much.

MAYBE if Columbus took back Strome and Connolly but I don’t see that happening.
- DarthKane

stop trading with Columbus bowman gets fleeced.

No thanks, I’ll pass. Domi will want too much bread next season and he’s just not worth it. At $3 million Domi has value, $5.3+… not so much.

MAYBE if Columbus took back Strome and Connolly but I don’t see that happening.
- DarthKane

Domi had surgery for a labral tear in his right shoulder. So he would probably be on LTIR until mid December or January. If the Jackets retain 1/2 salary the Hawks Cap hit is $2.65 mil. Strome is $3.0 mil. They both are UFA's after this year. Domi is better suited to play 4C than Strome. I would take a flyer on him if for no other reason than to move Strome.

Don’t think you’d be acquiring Domi to put him on the 4th line
- rwilliams88

I would be acquiring Domi in order to move Strome.

Last year was just to get him over the mental hurdle of playing after his injury.

Big guys take more time to develop. We were spoiled with Toews and Kane being a force as rookies. Its the exception and not the rule.
- Elbows15

I'm saying it's still early in his development, not mid let alone late development. He's had ONE TEENAGE season. That's simply the truth where he's at. Come back in three years and he's still young.

stop trading with Columbus bowman gets fleeced.
- Scott1977

Stick to Edmonton.

Stick to Edmonton.
- rpeters01

He’s done okay with Vegas as well.

In the last two day, the Bulls have committed 200M in salary. So much for Reinsdorf being cheap.
- Elbows15

its not what you spend, its how and on whom you spend

I would be acquiring Domi in order to move Strome.
- -Doh-

Domi was just awfully bad last season. No thank you!

I would be acquiring Domi in order to move Strome.
- -Doh-

That's right.

Domi doesn't count against salary cap until healthy, correct? Maybe then Connelly is moved. I don't see both Domi and Connelly at their salary holding two bottom line or secondary line scoring jobs.

Bowman says his center depth is pretty good? Really? In an idyllic world. When does Toews return? Toews and Johnson for one season are OK, perhaps, but neither is a young pony. Common sense would be for Bowman next season to draft trade free agent aDD a new top line center. Could be a prospect but I don't see a 2022 #1 or any prospect right now. Maybe a prospect in '23?

Dach could be a great #2 center if he develops nicely and gets over the injury. Now as for the future #1 center, I don't know how Stan lands one.The '23 draft I guess? Or the next big free agent sign? Rinehart nice pick up by Florida. He may not be a top #1 center but he is a good player whom could blossom now gone from Buffalo. Especially with all that scoring punch on his new team. Which includes Forsling among their top dmen btw.

R Peeters:

The team next season will not be comprised too much on defense of AHL and such greenhorn dmen.

The Rockford files should be quite interesting though. Players multiple positions.

Bowman edict past couple years: he said the team will stress youth. After the player movement/restructure this summertime, i expect more younger players to filter in

Perhaps many will only get a cup of coffee. But I expect most if not all have a brighter NHL future than the glacier slow Edjsell.

He's a troll, PE.
- mohel

Yes, because I have differing opinions I am indeed a troll.

Gretzky is far and away the greatest player ever IMO and in the opinion of majority of hockey analysts and past players. Howe and Orr were both incredible, but didn't dominate the way Wayne did. And even they said he revolutionized the game. Bobby "the golden Jet" Hull didn't either. There are great ones, and then there is "The Great One". For a reason. Sorry if it doesn't agree with your BH agendas. But everyone to this day compares themselves to Gretzky. Not Messier, not Howe, not Hull, not Richard, not Orr. When guys say they want to be compared to the best they say they want to be compared to Gretzky.

But if I don't agree with your little community I must be a troll.

Yes, because I have differing opinions I am indeed a troll.

Gretzky is far and away the greatest player ever IMO and in the opinion of majority of hockey analysts and past players. Howe and Orr were both incredible, but didn't dominate the way Wayne did. And even they said he revolutionized the game. Bobby "the golden Jet" Hull didn't either. There are great ones, and then there is "The Great One". For a reason. Sorry if it doesn't agree with your BH agendas. But everyone to this day compares themselves to Gretzky. Not Messier, not Howe, not Hull, not Richard, not Orr. When guys say they want to be compared to the best they say they want to be compared to Gretzky.

But if I don't agree with your little community I must be a troll.
- wreckage

That’s your opinion and this opinion is based on what you read. I will stand by my opinion based on watching both players, and in my opinion Bobby Orr is the best hockey player of all time. While plus and minus stats are at times overrated, Gretzky was a minus player in 40% of seasons played, Bobby Orr was never a minus player in any season, even on one leg with the Chicago Blackhawks.

Yes, because I have differing opinions I am indeed a troll.

Gretzky is far and away the greatest player ever IMO and in the opinion of majority of hockey analysts and past players. Howe and Orr were both incredible, but didn't dominate the way Wayne did. And even they said he revolutionized the game. Bobby "the golden Jet" Hull didn't either. There are great ones, and then there is "The Great One". For a reason. Sorry if it doesn't agree with your BH agendas. But everyone to this day compares themselves to Gretzky. Not Messier, not Howe, not Hull, not Richard, not Orr. When guys say they want to be compared to the best they say they want to be compared to Gretzky.

But if I don't agree with your little community I must be a troll.
- wreckage

Yep. Confirmed.

I would be acquiring Domi in order to move Strome.
- -Doh-

And then you would be moving Domi for ??? Domi had a worse year than Strome did, and this is the third team that wants to trade him. You think he can be fixed in Chicago? He is inconsistent, and not good defensively. And has a hot head like his father, remember his assault on Connor Murphy that cost Columbus the game against the Hawks?