How did that work out for Subban?
- gazza53

Hopefully in Rockford or on another team.

While I like Hagel, he has no business being in top six, unless there’s an injury, then yes on a short time basis.
- Angotti

Kubs and Hagel were good together, lots of 5 on 5 goals for were when both of them were on the ice last year

I don't see this team averaging over 3 goals a game to be a top ten goal scoring team.
Center play should be better for sure. There are a lot of holes on the wing. The Hawks have 3 guys on the wing that can score. Maybe four with Hagel. That is a lot of questions that need answers.


Hopefully, they are better defensively but I still see a defense that is going to struggle to score 20 goals. While a 4th line isn't depended on to provide a lot of offense. You still need some and as it looks to me, the 4th line is going to struggle to score 10.

To get to 3 goals a game, the other 3 lines are going to have to score at least 200. A whole bunch of IFs have to hit, imo.

To make it interesting. 246 is the number for 3 goals a game.

Take a run at it with this current group.

I used to have a table hockey game with those type of players.
- Angotti

That's because on face-off the scoreboard always dropped the puck to one side even my little brother figured that out. We would bend the metal sticks you could shoot the puck all the way down the hall.

Kubs and Hagel were good together, lots of 5 on 5 goals for were when both of them were on the ice last year
- BetweenTheDots

He played 56 games, BTD. His future potential has been determined. lol

Kubs and Hagel were good together, lots of 5 on 5 goals for were when both of them were on the ice last year
- BetweenTheDots

They both belong 3rd line.
Edit. And they can still play with Toews.

We do but don't the Hawks have enough reclamation projects? Take a pick and move on.


I am all for moving Strome. Just think the Hawks already have enough garbage at the moment.
- Elbows15

There is enough third rounders already. And I think you are wrong. Brown could be a useful player. Something that Strome isn´t.

If Stan promised not to trade Fleury in exchange for him showing up, essentially making his NTC bulletproof, that’s poor asset management IMO. If he sign him to an extension he should be fired immediately.

I’d have much rather traded him, or recouped his cap hit and just rolled with Lainkenen again.

It’s 7 million in cap space wasted on an aging goalie with a history of wilting when it matters most.
- Ogilthorpe2

Considering the additions and subtractions they've made, I think it is clear that they have loftier goals than development and sneaking into the playoffs. They obviously don't want to entrust that to a guy with 37 games experience.

I'm not over the moon about it, but I have no issue with the move whatsoever on a one year deal. Now, as you said, if Stan gives him an extension, he should be tarred and feathered in the public square.

I don't see this team averaging over 3 goals a game to be a top ten goal scoring team.
Center play should be better for sure. There are a lot of holes on the wing. The Hawks have 3 guys on the wing that can score. Maybe four with Hagel. That is a lot of questions that need answers.


Hopefully, they are better defensively but I still see a defense that is going to struggle to score 20 goals. While a 4th line isn't depended on to provide a lot of offense. You still need some and as it looks to me, the 4th line is going to struggle to score 10.

To get to 3 goals a game, the other 3 lines are going to have to score at least 200. A whole bunch of IFs have to hit, imo.

Take a run at it with this current group.
- Elbows15

To make it interesting. 246 is the number for 3 goals a game

I had the D scoring 30 and the 4th line w/20

That leaves 190 for the top 3 lines to score, so even if Cat scores 45 and Kubs pots 30 ish, it's still a reach to hit 246

There is enough third rounders already. And I think you are wrong. Brown could be a useful player. Something that Strome isn´t.
- MjulQvist

He hasn't proven to be useful at the NHL level as of yet and he couldn't ice time in Ottawa last season on a team in full youth mode.

Considering the additions and subtractions they've made, I think it is clear that they have loftier goals than development and sneaking into the playoffs. They obviously don't want to entrust that to a guy with 37 games experience.

I'm not over the moon about it, but I have no issue with the move whatsoever on a one year deal. Now, as you said, if Stan gives him an extension, he should be tarred and feathered in the public square.
- Chunk

If Fleury can play 50 games this year and win 30, it would be great to sign him for $2-3M to be Lanky's back for the next few years until there is a clearer verdict on Commesso

They both belong 3rd line.
- rpeters01

Holy cow. What are your qualifications to play second line in the NHL?

To make it interesting. 246 is the number for 3 goals a game

I had the D scoring 30 and the 4th line w/20

That leaves 190 for the top 3 lines to score, so even if Cat scores 45 and Kubs pots 30 ish, it's still a reach to hit 246
- gazza53

30 from the d is optimistic to say the least.

20 from the 4th looks impossible to me.

If Fleury can play 50 games this year and win 30, it would be great to sign him for $2-3M to be Lanky's back for the next few years until there is a clearer verdict on Commesso
- CSKA1981

If Fleury plays 50 and wins 30, why the heck would he want to resign for less money as a backup? He is 36 now, and no major injuries that I'm aware of (I'm sure I'll be corrected here). Brodeur was playing 50+ games per year until age 40 (and 30-40 games/year for two years after that). From what I can tell, he took NJ to the cup final the year he turned 39.

30 from the d is optimistic to say the least.

20 from the 4th looks impossible to me.
- Elbows15

My 4th line was Hardman/Kurashev/Entwhistle

Yours was probably Connolly/Kjara/Carpenter? To then I agree
20 is impossible

Thanks Theo - Another possible scenario could be that at the trade deadline Lankinen gets moved if MAF proves to be a solid tender. Outside of the NHL games played, what is the comparison between Lanks and Soderblom?
- powerenforcer

Not sure if there are any stark differences between Lankinen and Soderblom. Both seem to play steady, poised, and fundamentally. Not much panic in either of them. We'll see how Soderblom plays in North America, though.

Soderblom has a balanced game. He's explosive, controls rebounds, and squares up to shooters. There are mixed reviews on his explosiveness and ability to get around his crease but I've read more good than bad.

If Fleury plays 50 and wins 30, why the heck would he want to resign for less money as a backup? He is 36 now, and no major injuries that I'm aware of (I'm sure I'll be corrected here). Brodeur was playing 50+ games per year until age 40 (and 30-40 games/year for two years after that). From what I can tell, he took NJ to the cup final the year he turned 39.
- Chunk

Fleury is turning 37 in November and will be 37.5 next June. He will want term and security and will not want to move his family yet again. He will want to play for a contender and no one besides maybe Edmonton will give him more than $2-3 a year on a two year deal.

Brodeur has a very different playing style that allowed him to play until he was40, and the last two years he was bad. Fleury has 2-3 good years left.

While I like Hagel, he has no business being in top six, unless there’s an injury, then yes on a short time basis.
- Angotti

Hagel is 22 and has only played 52 games. He averaged only 14 minutes per game usually on the 3rd or 4th lines with weak line mates. Even so he was nearly 0.5 pts per game. I am not ready to pigeon hole him as a bottom 6 player.

Even strength points per 60 minutes.
DeBrincat 2.621
Kane 2.582
Dach 2.139
Kubalik 1.964
Hagel 1.817
Suter 1.809
Strome 1.205 (Ugh)

By comparison
Couture 1.842
Kadri 1.841
Zajac 1.834
Danault 1.827
Kopitar 1.825
Horvat 1.814
Schwartz 1.809
Parise 1.796
Drouin1.780

My 4th line was Hardman/Kurashev/Entwhistle

Yours was probably Connolly/Kjara/Carpenter? To then I agree
20 is impossible
- gazza53

I think the 4th line is gonna be closer to Connelly/Carpenter/Khaira. That combo will be lucky to get 10.

I don't know why people(not you) keep putting Khaira at centre. He has only taken close to 300 FOs twice and he was at 45% in those seasons.

Also, your 1st group are all waiver exempt. So I don't see them making the team out of camp. Plus, I don't think they signed Khaira to send him to the A. JMO.

Fleury is turning 37 in November and will be 37.5 next June. He will want term and security and will not want to move his family yet again. He will want to play for a contender and no one besides maybe Edmonton will give him more than $2-3 a year on a two year deal.

Brodeur has a very different playing style that allowed him to play until he was40, and the last two years he was bad. Fleury has 2-3 good years left.
- CSKA1981

Oh, and if Fleury wants any chance to challenge Roy at #2 all time wins (551), the number of teams that can offer him that is very limited.

Agreed 100% !

I'm very curious to see this Borgstrom kid. If he's a top 6 center this will really help,

If Toews comes back you have Johnson, then Borgstrom and Dach you went from one of the worst to one of the deepest centerman group

Holy cow. What are your qualifications to play second line in the NHL?
- Chunk

If you want to win a Stanley Cup, this is what you need. Evidentially, having at least 1 future HOFer on the 2nd line is an effective strategy.

Brouwer - Sharp - Hossa
or
Versteeg - Handzus - Kane
or
Bickell - Richards - Hossa

Heck, if Hossa is over his skin condition, he could probably still contribute more than some of the flotsam & jetsam the Hawks have iced the last few years.

If you want to win a Stanley Cup, this is what you need:

Brouwer - Sharp - Hossa
or
Versteeg - Handzus - Kane
or
Bickell - Richards - Hossa

Heck, if Hossa is over his skin condition, he could probably still contribute more than some of the flotsam & jetsam the Hawks have iced the last few years.
- scottak

No Toews

No Toews
- BetweenTheDots

Criteria was 2nd line.