What’s the quick explanation of how the ltir cap space works. I know by now most fans understand but I’m still mildly lost. Tampa trades for Seabrook and he’s ltir does that somehow allow them to go over the cap beyond his salary amount or was that just to get tj off the books
- GPerogie

When a player goes on LTIR, if replacing him on the active roster causes the team to go over the cap ceiling, the team gets an "allowance" to exceed the cap up to the maximum of the player's AAV (cap hit). Teams such as Toronto and Tampa have made it a strategy to acquire players they know will go on LTIR so they gain the allowance to exceed the cap. The downside is that LTIR can get a team on trouble with overages caused by bonuses (which cause cap penalties the next season).

When a player goes on LTIR, if replacing him on the active roster causes the team to go over the cap ceiling, the team gets an "allowance" to exceed the cap up to the maximum of the player's AAV (cap hit). Teams such as Toronto and Tampa have made it a strategy to acquire players they know will go on LTIR so they gain the allowance to exceed the cap. The downside is that LTIR can get a team on trouble with overages caused by bonuses (which cause cap penalties the next season).
- bmeltzer

Thank you Bill.........Always appreciated

Fletcher said his time window was small to make moves and felt the Flyers had the best chance to get the players they needed with in a two week period. They were moving and shaking in that time period. He was aggressive.

I liked that he called a plan for action and followed through. Honestly the Ellis deal was a huge deal. Ellis is a high end RHD that checked off a lot of boxes. He’s not big but plays with an edge. Really smart and an elite passer. Can chip in on both the PK and PP. For 6.25 AAV he is a bargain.

The Yandle deal was another good move. They paid almost nothing for him. This guy can still play a good game. Not in the 6M AAV range as to why he was brought out but he is a pretty good defender. Paying less then a Million on him is another steal. I like York but he is just a kid. Yandle has chewed on some tough ice. Seen a lot of playoff ice. This guy does nothing but add at that AAV.

Fletcher said his time window was small to make moves and felt the Flyers had the best chance to get the players they needed with in a two week period. They were moving and shaking in that time period. He was aggressive.

I liked that he called a plan for action and followed through. Honestly the Ellis deal was a huge deal. Ellis is a high end RHD that checked off a lot of boxes. He’s not big but plays with an edge. Really smart and an elite passer. Can chip in on both the PK and PP. For 6.25 AAV he is a bargain.

The Yandle deal was another good move. They paid almost nothing for him. This guy can still play a good game. Not in the 6M AAV range as to why he was brought out but he is a pretty good defender. Paying less then a Million on him is another steal. I like York but he is just a kid. Yandle has chewed on some tough ice. Seen a lot of playoff ice. This guy does nothing but add at that AAV.
- peesinwind

I agree with all of those words.

Fletcher said his time window was small to make moves and felt the Flyers had the best chance to get the players they needed with in a two week period. They were moving and shaking in that time period. He was aggressive.

I liked that he called a plan for action and followed through. Honestly the Ellis deal was a huge deal. Ellis is a high end RHD that checked off a lot of boxes. He’s not big but plays with an edge. Really smart and an elite passer. Can chip in on both the PK and PP. For 6.25 AAV he is a bargain.



I think you're right about Ellis although I worry about durability. Why did Nashville make that deal? Is it because they were concerned with breaking down or declining?

The Yandle deal was another good move. They paid almost nothing for him. This guy can still play a good game. Not in the 6M AAV range as to why he was brought out but he is a pretty good defender. Paying less then a Million on him is another steal. I like York but he is just a kid. Yandle has chewed on some tough ice. Seen a lot of playoff ice. This guy does nothing but add at that AAV.
- peesinwind

I think it's a stretch to call Yandle a pretty good defender. Decent puck mover and can QB a PP but if he was actually a pretty good defender, the Flyers wouldn't have gotten him for 900K.

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Let me clarify on the Yandle quote. Good defender meaning the position not the art of defending although that is part of the job.

Now food is subjective and in my terms I was referring that he still brings some usable assets and a bargain at the price. Now he is a -56 on the Plus/Minus stat what he was on the ice for a lot more goals against then goals for.

He is a proven veteran and a lot of GM’s and coaches played him so at least he was serviceable.

It was reported that he turned down higher deals to play here. How much higher is limited I’m sure. He was bought out so Florida didn’t think he was worth 6.35 but at one time he was seen as that valuable of a piece. Now I think he is a similar situation as Ghost. Offensive defenseman that needs sheltered minutes. Both got AAV’s that made them over paid in the market for what they bring. I think Yandle is a steal at 900 AAV.

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I’m not so stressed on Ellis’ durability as most. It is a concern but while he rarely puts in an 82 game season he is far from an injury issue. Mostly dings from playing hard. Not the big joint injuries or repeated concussions that end careers.

Yeah, this deal I liked. I was pumped when the Ellis talk surfaced leading up to the trade deadline. So when it happened I was pretty stoked.

Ristolainen is my big X factor. Not sure if he will bring it in for the right price. If he produces here I worried at what price tag he will want. Not blowing off the picks they traded or undervaluing Hagg. I don’t think it was to much to send if he was on a 3 or 4 year deal at that AAV but I think he is going to get a raise and it is going to be tough to fit him in.

I know this isn’t hockey related, but funny how Wentz is gonna stick it to us in the end by not allowing that first round pick to vest.

The terms of the deal aren’t looking to be in our favor

I’m not so stressed on Ellis’ durability as most. It is a concern but while he rarely puts in an 82 game season he is far from an injury issue. Mostly dings from playing hard. Not the big joint injuries or repeated concussions that end careers.
- peesinwind

I'm trying to figure out why Nashville made the deal. Doesn't appear that they're in rebuild. Not a cap crunch. Why did they trade Ellis. A RH top pairing all situations D man.

As far as Ristolainen is concerned. His contract situation is an overlooked aspect of the trade. He has all the contract leverage. I'm going to keep an open mind and see how he plays this season but right now, I don't see him as a player that you want to get into a long term high cap hit deal with.

I'm trying to figure out why Nashville made the deal. Doesn't appear that they're in rebuild. Not a cap crunch. Why did they trade Ellis. A RH top pairing all situations D man.

As far as Ristolainen is concerned. His contract situation is an overlooked aspect of the trade. He has all the contract leverage. I'm going to keep an open mind and see how he plays this season but right now, I don't see him as a player that you want to get into a long term high cap hit deal with.
- MJL

sounds like you are looking for more reasons to try an poo poo the moves chuck made. Look at the bright side, we are a better team and kept our youth and prospects.

sounds like you are looking for more reasons to try an poo poo the moves chuck made. Look at the bright side, we are a better team and kept our youth and prospects.
- bradster

I'm not sure what you are looking to do with this post or any other post you make in reply to me. They're all empty and thoughtless.