The difference is I don't have a contract signed in place to own the house for 5 more years.
- Stripes77

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.

The best deals on houses you can get are from people going through divorce that need to sell the house and split the cash ASAP.
- rangerdanger94

Which is why all of KA's public facing statements is saying that's not going to happen.


A No fault divorce proceeding is a bad analogy here as neither party can willingly terminate the contract or remove themselves from it and seek another party to enter into a contract with.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

Noise.

In theory, my post is spot on. You're right to say the application in reality will more than likely not happen.

You are certainly correct stating that KA MAY have over played his hand.

You're right on one thing, part of the reason his value is low is that everyone knows he wants out.

But everyone knew Risto/Rhino wanted out. Look at what happened. For Risto the Flyers did overpay. This despite the fact that everyone knew he wanted out AND many wouldn't touch him because of his advanced stats.

Everyone knows (actually that means heavily rumored) that Rhino wants to sign in the West. Yet, the Sabres still got some value for an RFA despite the fact that team trading for him doesn't know, with certainty, he will resign.

So on to Jack. Jack is a top 10 Center in the league who is injured. His trade value is lower because he wants out and everyone knows it but so did the people above, so what is driving down his value?

1) The fact that he is doing all the public posturing he can throwing the org under the bus. You don't think other org's are weary of that? As soon as there is a disagreement what's he going to do? It's kind of like marrying someone that cheated on their spouse with you.
2) Doesn't seem to be using the appropriate channels first before going public.
3) There are heavy rumors as to his locker room presence, even coming from former players. You can attack that source all you want, but it's still pretty damning.

Jack, through his reps and public communications, is hurting this process even more.

The organization, should take a stand here to say this stuff is not going to be tolerated otherwise you're rewarding any child throwing a temper tantrum. You suffer what you tolerate.

Jack's group IS most certainly NOT approaching this in good faith. They're purposely going the nuclear route to pressure the organization. What fuels that belief, they're not using the appropriate options available to them in the contract.

Jack and the org need to work together in this.

This is more than likely NOT going to happen. I do believe you're right, KA will lower the ask and move him early, but he shouldn't.

And I'm one that believes the org screwed him over under Ralph playing him when he was clearly hurt this year. I get why he's pissed. But it doesn't serve his interests to keep doing this the way he is.
- gcomella34

It seems as simple as Adams wants a Zegras, Byfield, or Rossi and nobody is willing to offer that up in a trade.

What we don't know is just how lowball the offers have been.

At some point, to be blunt, Adams is going to need to either poop or get off the pot so to speak.

Have you tried spinal decompression yet
- Anderdog

Sorry Anderdog, I flagged you by accident. Wrong button.

Unfortunately, I have tried everything other than surgery. Just not a risk I can take yet. Quality of life isn't terrible, just have to be cautious. There's always someone dealing with more than I... I count my blessings and thank God the pain isn't worse. :

I agree

It shows two things, one Adams is not going to get bullied by a player and his agent, and two other GMs know he isn't just the new guy on the block to take advantage of.
- Stripes77

And honestly, it’s rather refreshing.

Spite.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

Exactly.

Again, Buffalo has pretty much all the powere here. But after a certain point, you gotta get back to business. And this team has a lottttttttt of business that needs to be taken care of.

Me and you both know its way past that. Buffalo doesn't want him around just as much as Jack doesn't want to be here.

Could this deal carry into the season? Could Jack sit at home for a month or two? Maybe.

The reality is he's getting traded in the next few days/weeks/months. There are no more "years" of Jack Eichel in Buffalo.
- mochoson

The reality is that the situation will more than likely play out this way.

The best deals on houses you can get are from people going through divorce that need to sell the house and split the cash ASAP.
- rangerdanger94

You described the situation well.

And honestly, it’s rather refreshing.

Spite.
- dadeadhead

A GM that won't back down...

It's rather refreshing.

The best Sabre teams had a hard nosed GM or a hard nosed coach.

The team tends to take the identity of their leaders...

It seems as simple as Adams wants a Zegras, Byfield, or Rossi and nobody is willing to offer that up in a trade.

What we don't know is just how lowball the offers have been.

At some point, to be blunt, Adams is going to need to either poop or get off the pot so to speak.
- kingcong39

The rangers most recent offer was Kravstov + Jones + Georgiev + 1st

Kravstov is a future top line winger, in my opinion, and Jones and Georgiev seem like they will be in the NHL for a long time but are definitely more “throw ins” as Jones is a middle pairing defenseman and Georgiev could teeter on that fringe starter/career backup line.

For what it’s worth, Kravstov is considered a rangers untouchable.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

it can't get any worse on that front

It seems as simple as Adams wants a Zegras, Byfield, or Rossi and nobody is willing to offer that up in a trade.

What we don't know is just how lowball the offers have been.

At some point, to be blunt, Adams is going to need to either poop or get off the pot so to speak.
- kingcong39

Absolutely right.

He has a super tough job that is push this as far as he can to get the most without going so far that the rest of the league calls your bluff...


Unless he's not bluffing, but that would BLOW me away.

Although, I'd love to see it.

We're at a decade of futility now, what's one or two more years?

This is one of those times where you stay stubborn.

Show some backbone.

Eichel’s camp needs to shut the fvck up. The more they talk, the more teams lower their price.

The more the price lowers, the longer crybaby remains a Sabre.
- dadeadhead

I think Adams shown plenty of backbone, and it's commendable.

What we don't know is the tone of the offers.

If offers have come that are everything short of the best prospect a team has, like Zegras, then Adams may need to lower his acceptable return.

If it's truly been dogpoop, then continue to hold the line.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

LTIR him for the season.

Tell him to stay home.

Insurance picks up 80% of his salary.

Do it all over again next off season.

Spite.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

I am gonna go out on a limb and say there aren't a lot of tears being shed for Jack inside the locker room right now. He's their captain and he's abandoning ship, while managing to come off like a complete POS in the process.

I think Adams shown plenty of backbone, and it's commendable.

What we don't know is the tone of the offers.

If offers have come that are everything short of the best prospect a team has, like Zegras, then Adams may need to lower his acceptable return.

If it's truly been dogpoop, then continue to hold the line.
- kingcong39

This is the perfect time for the old “I know what I have, don’t try to lowball me”.

it can't get any worse on that front
- Michael Pachla

Right and getting a crap return only makes it worse than it already is.

KA rightly views this trade as one that could potentially LOAD the shelves up that are currently bare.

The only way the FA thing turns around is with consistent winning. That's the only way.

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

We all know that's not going to happen. But Adams isn't going to be strong armed into giving him away, which is what all these GM's think is going to happen.

You want him? Make a serious offer. All it takes is one serious offer. And some GM will make it. If there are a handful of teams that want him, they don't want the other teams in that handful to get him. Someone will step up. It may not be what Adams wants, but it'll be enough to where he'll say, OK that's good enough.

LTIR him for the season.

Tell him to stay home.

Insurance picks up 80% of his salary.

Do it all over again next off season.

Spite.
- dadeadhead

yeah...what he said

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

Yeah you are right, Buffalo should trade him to the rangers for bottom six scrub prospects..

Sorry Anderdog, I flagged you by accident. Wrong button.

Unfortunately, I have tried everything other than surgery. Just not a risk I can take yet. Quality of life isn't terrible, just have to be cautious. There's always someone dealing with more than I... I count my blessings and thank God the pain isn't worse. :
- BufBanditsFan71

Have 3 herniated disc
Tried everything but surgery myself
Inversion table helps
My discs keep slipping and sitting on spine
Pain is unbearable stopped living life iam just waiting to die now

Yes, keep Eichel hostage for 5 years. That will improve the culture of Buffalo, as well as the reputation that will definitely attract free agents and entice your new young core to sign long term contracts.
- rangerdanger94

You don't want to hold him hostage but you also don't want to be known as the place where a player can easily push their way out.

The rangers most recent offer was Kravstov + Jones + Georgiev + 1st

Kravstov is a future top line winger, in my opinion, and Jones and Georgiev seem like they will be in the NHL for a long time but are definitely more “throw ins” as Jones is a middle pairing defenseman and Georgiev could teeter on that fringe starter/career backup line.

For what it’s worth, Kravstov is considered a rangers untouchable.
- rangerdanger94

I'm sorry, but as much as you're pumping up the return above, that's not going to do it, and I wouldn't accept that if I'm Adams.

Also, Kravtsov being labeled as untouchable is funny.

The Sabres would need something like Chytil, Scheider, the 22 1st, and whatever makes the cap work.

If you can't make the above work, the Sabres move to another team.

The difference is I don't have a contract signed in place to own the house for 5 more years.
- Stripes77

Meh, teams break contractual agreements all the time. We didn’t honour every year of Risto’s deal as we traded him to another organization.

I think the way Jack and his agents are going about this in the media is disgraceful, however, I’m not going to blame a player for using leverage when the leverage is with organizations 90% of the time.

If it was up to Sam Reinhart he would have signed long term a few years ago, the organization had no issue using RFA leverage. I don’t blame Sam for asking out this offseason either when he had the leverage.

Kevyn Adams overplayed his hand with Jack