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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 30 @ 9:23 AM ET
Saying I would rather have Reaves than ERod isn't really a pro Reaves statement. For the record, I had no desire for us to ever trade for Reaves but I also had no desire for us to just fill out the roster with a bunch of 4th liners/fringe 3rd liners.
- MacPatty

Just like the Jagr/Kovalev/Lang/Straka/Morozov days.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Jul 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
Just like the Jagr/Kovalev/Lang/Straka/Morozov days.
- Barnaby36


Completely forgot Rob Brown came back to the Pens like 10 years after his one 115 point season lol
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Jul 30 @ 9:33 AM ET
Completely forgot Rob Brown came back to the Pens like 10 years after his one 115 point season lol
- j.boyd919

hahah true
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 10:01 AM ET
VGK fans are really a painful bunch. All my friends that are Ranger fans are annoyed at the Reaves trade while all the VGK are crying about it thinking their team is being ruined. When I try to explain to them he's a terrible hockey player they say, "You don't know. You haven't followed them from the start." To me reply, "You guys still don't understand what icing is."
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 30 @ 10:10 AM ET
I know Reaves isn’t the most skilled guy but I think he’d have made a difference vs the islanders. Probably risto or Zadorov too for that matter. The isles would be in the crease without a pen in 5’ from them.

That being said those 2 or 3 on the team would have then been smoked by Boston and Tampa. But I mean even winning one round would be a win right now.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 10:11 AM ET
I know Reaves isn’t the most skilled guy but I think he’d have made a difference vs the islanders. Probably risto or Zadorov too for that matter. The isles would be in the crease without a pen in 5’ from them.

That being said those 2 or 3 on the team would have then been smoked by Boston and Tampa. But I mean even winning one round would be a win right now.

- 10inchTerror


The only thing that would have made a difference in the NYI series was goaltending.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 10:30 AM ET
I know Reaves isn’t the most skilled guy but I think he’d have made a difference vs the islanders. Probably risto or Zadorov too for that matter. The isles would be in the crease without a pen in 5’ from them.

That being said those 2 or 3 on the team would have then been smoked by Boston and Tampa. But I mean even winning one round would be a win right now.

- 10inchTerror

Pens need more depth scoring so getting worse depth is definitely not a solution.
10inchTerror
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jul 30 @ 10:34 AM ET
Pens need more depth scoring so getting worse depth is definitely not a solution.
- Feds91Stammer


I think In that one particular series vs a heavy isles team and a 4th line just running over people those players would help. Reaves would not be prevented from getting to the crease. Risto or Zadorov would probably occupy and cheap shot anyone in Jarry’s crease. I think that would have had an impact on that series.

Over the course of an 82 game season or any other team in the playoffs. Yeah you’re right.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 10:35 AM ET
VGK fans are really a painful bunch. All my friends that are Ranger fans are annoyed at the Reaves trade while all the VGK are crying about it thinking their team is being ruined. When I try to explain to them he's a terrible hockey player they say, "You don't know. You haven't followed them from the start." To me reply, "You guys still don't understand what icing is."
- Rinosaur

Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 10:40 AM ET

- Feds91Stammer


That still may be one of the douchiest things ever.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Jul 30 @ 10:46 AM ET
I think In that one particular series vs a heavy isles team and a 4th line just running over people those players would help. Reaves would not be prevented from getting to the crease. Risto or Zadorov would probably occupy and cheap shot anyone in Jarry’s crease. I think that would have had an impact on that series.

Over the course of an 82 game season or any other team in the playoffs. Yeah you’re right.

- 10inchTerror

For the first time in years our blue line was not the problem in the playoffs. We won the high danger scoring chances battle, which is a pretty big accomplishment against the Islanders. We already suppressed and generated quality chances at a good enough level. All scrub sticks like Ristolainen and Zadorov would have done is push the the suppression/generation pendulum back into the Islanders' favor by neutering even strength offense and in Ristolainen's case also playing garbage ass defense.

Zadarov is actually good defensively and has a point on some teams that are built a certain way, but for the Pens, the offensive trade off of having him on the ice just isn't worth it. Ristolainen is absolute garbage and is good at absolutely nothing. Both make us match up worse against the Islanders.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 10:48 AM ET
That still may be one of the douchiest things ever.
- Rinosaur

Nah. It’s aplha chad poop. It broke an entire organization
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 11:01 AM ET
Nah. It’s aplha chad poop. It broke an entire organization
- Feds91Stammer


It certainly did, but I just mean the way he flexed looked douchie. Like it didn't even look like real flexing.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 11:02 AM ET
It certainly did, but I just mean the way he flexed looked douchie. Like it didn't even look like real flexing.
- Rinosaur

Haha he was just mocking them for being clowns.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 11:24 AM ET
What's amazing to me about the Rangers is they receive a 2nd for Buch and give a 3rd for Reaves. I was trying to give some benefit of the doubt to larger plans for NYR, but it's clear that was a mistake.
PENS1989
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 01.05.2019

Jul 30 @ 11:58 AM ET
Haha he was just mocking them for being clowns.
- Feds91Stammer[/quote

He showed them! Lol
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 30 @ 1:30 PM ET
Penguins do something

RW: I hate this!
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 2:03 PM ET
Penguins do something

RW: I hate this!

- jmatchett383

RistLOLainen
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jul 30 @ 2:23 PM ET
RistLOLainen
- Feds91Stammer


Well Feds, Kevin Allen's ridiculously early predictions has the Pens finishing seventh, only ahead of Columbus. You agree, I guess?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 2:33 PM ET
Well Feds, Kevin Allen's ridiculously early predictions has the Pens finishing seventh, only ahead of Columbus. You agree, I guess?
- stevens87


If the lineup isn't much different than it is now and Geno is out a month or two, I think the risk of missing the playoffs is very real.
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jul 30 @ 2:48 PM ET
If the lineup isn't much different than it is now and Geno is out a month or two, I think the risk of missing the playoffs is very real.
- Rinosaur


The only way the lineup is a lot different is that other teams clean up JR's mess: trading for Zucker and Pettersson. Both are decent but not worth a combined $9.5 million cap hit.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jul 30 @ 2:56 PM ET
Well Feds, Kevin Allen's ridiculously early predictions has the Pens finishing seventh, only ahead of Columbus. You agree, I guess?
- stevens87

Why would I value anything written on this site?
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Jul 30 @ 3:01 PM ET
Why would I value anything written on this site?
- Feds91Stammer


FWIW Kevin Allen was a real hockey writer for a real publication unlike 99.5% of the jabronis who "write" for this site.
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: LET'S GO BRANDON, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Jul 30 @ 3:10 PM ET
Why would I value anything written on this site?
- Feds91Stammer


What Rinosaur wrote.
Grinder47
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somerset, PA
Joined: 10.20.2013

Jul 30 @ 3:17 PM ET
For the first time in years our blue line was not the problem in the playoffs. We won the high danger scoring chances battle, which is a pretty big accomplishment against the Islanders. We already suppressed and generated quality chances at a good enough level. All scrub sticks like Ristolainen and Zadorov would have done is push the the suppression/generation pendulum back into the Islanders' favor by neutering even strength offense and in Ristolainen's case also playing garbage ass defense.

Zadarov is actually good defensively and has a point on some teams that are built a certain way, but for the Pens, the offensive trade off of having him on the ice just isn't worth it. Ristolainen is absolute garbage and is good at absolutely nothing. Both make us match up worse against the Islanders.

- Victoro311

I don’t mind Ristolainen going out of his way to make big hits and his border line dirty play. His name will be brought up continuously when the Pens play the Flyers this year. He will basically have free reign to run around and do whatever he wants. Crosby night fight him because he did something to Rust or Guentzel.
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