JFC. I'm not gonna turn this into a 10 page long Risto debate

The guy sucks. But the market for RD has been crazy high this offseason. I'm surprised they didn't get any NHL ready or close to ready prospects

That is all
- sbroads24

why couldn't you just be happy with the risto return?...actually, thrilled would be more apropos

https://www.si.com/hockey/.amp/news/underestimate-devon-levi-at-your-own-peril

https://thehockeywriters....l-draft-prospect-profile/

https://www.eliteprospect.../player/276555/devon-levi
- lulags

So Ryan Kennedy from Sports Illustrated and his elite prospects bio are the "experts"???

why couldn't you just be happy with the risto return?...actually, thrilled would be more apropos
- Michael Pachla

Are you intentionally being dense here?

Yeah, I think it's an awful deal considering what we were all talking about as a potential return a week ago. But that's neither here nor there.

Remember when it was Matthew Tkachuk or pick 5 from Columbus? Or even pick 8 and a prospect from LA?

We got a pick that will most likely be 25-32 and an unpredictable undersized goalie

It's brutal
- sbroads24

Imagine if i came in here a few days before Reinhart was traded and said.

Fla for a frst and a former 7th rd pick goalie prospsect.

People would have flipped out on me saying its an awful return.

Yeah, I think it's an awful deal considering what we were all talking about as a potential return a week ago. But that's neither here nor there.

Remember when it was Matthew Tkachuk or pick 5 from Columbus? Or even pick 8 and a prospect from LA?

We got a pick that will most likely be 25-32 and an unpredictable undersized goalie

It's brutal
- sbroads24

Oh my and that’s all it was was talk….. we were not getting Matty T and A top 10 pick for a rental? I think not my friend.

Unpredictable? He’s been solid at every stage he’s played. Undersized yes.

Are you intentionally being dense here?
- sbroads24

Risto was bad.

Got a great return.

The return will not yield any sort of impact for 3-5 years.

why couldn't you just be happy with the risto return?...actually, thrilled would be more apropos
- Michael Pachla

he gone


time for the new whipping post

So Ryan Kennedy from Sports Illustrated and his elite prospects bio are the "experts"???
- sbroads24

These are just 3 quick posts. I could add 10-15 more. The Kid was on no ones radar and is now on the elite prospect path.
Goalies are tough to scout and might not pan out, but who do we have in the pipeline?
Good move IMO

Hagg plays NHL minutes
- KaltatasSkirt

they got 14th overall plus hagg plus a '23 second rounder, no strings attached...all for a one-year rental

Oh my and that’s all it was was talk….. we were not getting Matty T and A top 10 pick for a rental? I think not my friend.

Unpredictable? He’s been solid at every stage he’s played. Undersized yes.
- Keepcomplaining

Whos this:

somewhat undersized butterfly goalie, but very quick and agile. He is very consistent and rarely has an off game. His reflexes are top notch and he has a very quick and impressive glove. He moves well from side to side and has a noticeable winner's instinct.

Risto was bad.

Got a great return.

The return will not yield any sort of impact for 3-5 years.
- ImThatGuy

Literally all I am saying

The trade itself is fantastic. No complaints

But of course people like Pachla are trying to spin it into anything else than me saying I am surprised between the two trades we did not get an NHL ready guy
- sbroads24

Pach likes to use Risto hate as a fire starter.

I'm just glad we don't need to beat the poop out of this organization anymore for employing him.

Personally, I'd have liked a guy like Tyson Foerster, but is he better than Isak Rosen? Doubt it.

they got 14th overall plus hagg plus a '23 second rounder, no strings attached...all for a one-year rental
- Michael Pachla

"TeAms WonT Pay FoR OneYear RenTals"

or so im told.

You cnat have it both ways here.

both players were traded on one year contracts.

Risto return is great
Sam is not.

Neither return is helping the Sabres in teh next 3 years.

Whos this:

somewhat undersized butterfly goalie, but very quick and agile. He is very consistent and rarely has an off game. His reflexes are top notch and he has a very quick and impressive glove. He moves well from side to side and has a noticeable winner's instinct.
- ImThatGuy

Imma say muself after reading that last line

cozensons has his eyes on it...i think he came out and said it at locker cleanout
- Michael Pachla

He is the key to the future of this organization.

Literally all I am saying
- sbroads24

Im aware.

The trade itself is fantastic. No complaints

But of course people like Pachla are trying to spin it into anything else than me saying I am surprised between the two trades we did not get an NHL ready guy
- sbroads24

no i'm not...it was in response to what came out as a whiny post about the return kagm got for skunk and risto...

i presented the facts of the trades...you should be thrilled with the return instead of pooh-poohing it

"TeAms WonT Pay FoR OneYear RenTals"

or so im told.

You cnat have it both ways here.

both players were traded on one year contracts.

Risto return is great
Sam is not.

Neither return is helping the Sabres in teh next 3 years.
- ImThatGuy

So a first and second is good

But a top goalie prospect and and a first is bad?

What backwards thinking is this…

"TeAms WonT Pay FoR OneYear RenTals"

or so im told.

You cnat have it both ways here.

both players were traded on one year contracts.

Risto return is great
Sam is not.

Neither return is helping the Sabres in teh next 3 years.
- ImThatGuy

Risto return great, even though we have zero clue if any of the futures will turn out.

Sam return bad because we have zero clue if futures will turn out.


Did I do that correctly?

Risto return great, even though we have zero clue if any of the futures will turn out.

Sam return bad because we have zero clue if futures will turn out.


Did I do that correctly?
- Powerslave

Sounds aboot right

So a first and second is good

But a top goalie prospect and and a first is bad?

What backwards thinking is this…
- Keepcomplaining

Right?

It's incredible the lengths some will go to just to die on a hill.

So a first and second is good

But a top goalie prospect and and a first is bad?

What backwards thinking is this…
- Keepcomplaining

One of the players traded is really good. One of the players traded is really bad.

There's your difference

Are you intentionally being dense here?
- sbroads24

your direct quote:

The frustrating part of all this for me is the lack of prospects we’ve gotten/ will get that will contribute anytime within the next 2-3 years.

Rosen (pick from Risto) is 2-3 years away from sniffing the NHL

The Reinhart first is 2022, so 2024 earliest that will be a Sabre

Devon Levi is 19, at least 2 years away

This doesn’t have to be a 5 year rebuild, but at this pace it’s going to be.

I was hoping for a few NHL ready prospects in these trades'

and your response is?

your direct quote:

The frustrating part of all this for me is the lack of prospects we’ve gotten/ will get that will contribute anytime within the next 2-3 years.

Rosen (pick from Risto) is 2-3 years away from sniffing the NHL

The Reinhart first is 2022, so 2024 earliest that will be a Sabre

Devon Levi is 19, at least 2 years away

This doesn’t have to be a 5 year rebuild, but at this pace it’s going to be.

I was hoping for a few NHL ready prospects in these trades'

and your response is?
- Michael Pachla

not that i need to answer for broads or anything, but you can simultaneously accept that you got great value for an asset, but also desire different value, or pieces rather.

no i'm not...it was in response to what came out as a whiny post about the return kagm got for skunk and risto...

i presented the facts of the trades...you should be thrilled with the return instead of pooh-poohing it
- Michael Pachla

Yes, you are. It was a lame attempt at starting a Ristolainen flame war.

Congrats