girl don't go away mad
- hello it's me 2050

I’m not going anywhere. I think everyone here has their limits and you’re showing who you are. Tough guy behind a keyboard

I’m not going anywhere. I think everyone here has their limits and you’re showing who you are. Tough guy behind a keyboard
- SuperSchennBros

You're motoring. What's your price for flight

You're motoring. What's your price for flight
- hello it's me 2050

Aww, adorable. He can’t come up with his own clever wit, he need others’.

Aww, adorable. He can’t come up with his own clever wit, he need others’.
- SuperSchennBros

You're a train ride to no importance

You're a train ride to no importance
- hello it's me 2050

There’s a fine line between stupidity and retardation and you are flirting with it

Exactly, how isnt that fair? He shouldnt just be awarded the position. Fletcher's job is to ice the best team. Signing Yandle is Fletcher setting the bar for what he expects from York to make the team
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Didn't say he should be just be awarded the position. He also shouldn't start camp penciled for the AHL and behind the 8 ball. Signing Yandle is setting the table for York to start in the AHL.

There’s a fine line between stupidity and retardation and you are flirting with it
- SuperSchennBros

Oh mister time will you ever unwind
Or just rebuild a new design

Man, do you realize how stupid this is?

$50,389,523 is for 15 FORWARDS
$21,100,000 is for 5 defense
$2,000,000 is for Jones

So $73,489,523 cap used.
$8,010,477 cap free.

Sign Sanheim, Hart, 3C for $9-9.5M

That puts you at most $1.5M over cap. YOu are sending two forwards down, that is at least $1.8M. Its called CAP MANGEMENT. Yes, I know, math is hard.
- hockeyal

Let's take off the two forwards. Let's take off Cates at 925,000 and Laczynski at 925,000. That 1,850,000. You want to sign a center for 2M. So that's an extra 150K off of the available cap space of $8,010,477. Leaving the Flyers with $7,860,000 to sign Sanheim and Hart. So speculating Sanheim get 4M and Hart 3M. That leaves $860K. Even less if Sanheim or Hart gets more.

In terms of stupidity, I would put that on the continued diatribe towards Laughton and not realizing that the Flyers absolutely have a 3rd line center. They even have a 2nd possible option after Laughton.

Didn't say he should be just be awarded the position. He also shouldn't start camp penciled for the AHL and behind the 8 ball. Signing Yandle is setting the table for York to start in the AHL.
- MJL

I also was hoping that York would start the season with the Flyers. Isn’t this what the Flyers do? Look at a young guy at the end of the season and offer him a job the following season? Plus I’m not big on Yandle defensive game.

Do you think they should count on a player thats played 3 games in the nhl, and a handful of games in a watered down AHL to be a ready for full time NHL duty?
- bradster

I would've preferred that they brought in a vet for the 7th spot that could jump in if York doesn't play well or make the team. Morin is then the 7th. Instead of what they actually did in signing Yandle which pretty much guarantees that York won't make the team out of camp barring injury.

Oh mister time will you ever unwind
Or just rebuild a new design
- hello it's me 2050

How many songs did you listen to before coming up with this one? You took your time.

Flyers can bring in a vet D or center on a cheap contract. Probably best to wait and offer a PTO for that contract slot unless you can sign a decent player for what you just signed Thompson too or less. The cap will be that tight.

Only potential FA signing I see coming is an AHL goalie.

Hey Bill, when you say "analytics aside", it suggests that you either 1. Thinking that analytics is a subjective pov rather than data from zillions of actual hockey plays or 2. Thinking that the analytics are not that bad and stem from 'playing on a putrid team' affect.

In general, the good player effect almost always swamps out both the bad-teammates/hard matchup effects when you look at RELATIVE #s. I tried explaining the logic last time and found few takers. So lets look at the evidence.

Look at this data set of all defenders who have played 1600+ minutes in the past 3 years, arranged by relative Corsi.. What jumps out at you?

1. First, there is a very strong correlation between quality of defender and + relative corsi. Even though big names are facing tough match-ups, they are still improving the team average, even when stranded in an island of mediocrity or worse. Ekblad plays without anyone his level in Florida, gets very hard matchups, still + (compare especially to his frequent partner, Stralman). Ditto with Seth Jones, PK Subban, Eric Karlsson, Doughty, Quinn Hughes etc. etc.

Especially note how high Rasmus Dahlin is on the list, playing as a kid, in the same situation that Risto found himself in. Hedman is only 59 on the list, but is ofc still + (even though in his case the quality of other defenders is very high and he draws the hardest matchups. It is because while the others are good, he is even better and that last part swamps the tough-matchups effect.)

2. Look who finished 163 out of 179 and look at the company he keeps.

I tried explaining the logic behind this a few days ago, with very limited success. Maybe the outlier actual data will be more convincing.
- PT21

It is impossible for Ristolainen and Dahlin to have played in the same situations. They were only paired together for 86.04 minutes on the season. While Ristolainen played over 715 minutes at 5 on 5 with 7 other teammates. just for last season as an example.

Here is what is also interesting. If you filter for Buffalo, and look at Def. Zone starts/60, look who is at the top? Ristolainen with 9.81 and McCabe with 10.74. They also happen to be the worst two in CF%Rel. Then we look at Dahlin with 6.44 Def. zone starts/60. Yet you claim they play in the same situations. Having an issue reading your own chart. This is what happens when you make an incomplete analysis and only look at one number. This has been mentioned to you many times in the past.

Pens board loves Hextall

As MJL has said a million times, nobody questioned his IQ in LHV or his first 100 games here. Quite the opposite actually... his ability to anticipate and break up plays was lauded. His intelligence in choosing when to jump into the play was lauded. The GM gushed about his poise w/ the puck. And all of that was clearly on display in his underlying numbers, which continued to be strong over the course of his short career, even this past season.

Yes, he made some gaffes this season. His development clearly got subsumed by everything going on around him. Flyers chose to go for the known quantity in Ellis. It is what it is.
- Tomahawk

It's the hockey IQ virus. He caught it somewhere during the last season. Should've been wearing a mask.

30 points isn’t a good season for a rookie?
- SuperSchennBros

NOPE! Not even close when you are the number 2 pick in a draft that a few months earlier was named after you. How many points did the other top 5 picks get their first season?

1. Hischier - 20g, 32a, 52 pts
3. Heishanen - 12g, 21a, 33pts (a defenseman mind you!)
4. Makar - 12g, 38a, 50pts (a defenseman mind you!)
5. Pettersson - 28g, 38a, 66pts

So no, 30 points is not a good season for the number 2 pick in this draft. What about the next season? Same result. What was the excuse in year 2?

It's the hockey IQ virus. He caught it somewhere during the last season. Should've been wearing a mask.
- MJL

When you are asked to do more than you are capable of doing against good competition, that is where the decision making can be exposed. Myers was fine in the AHL and was not noticeable in his first year in the NHL because he was not asked to do what he was asked to do last year in a top 4 role. Perhaps, like anyone, the more he does it and matures, the better and quicker his decision making will be which is why I think Fletcher believes he will be a good defenseman in this league. But I think we are asking the wrong question here. Its not whether or not Myers is good or going to be good, its whether he will ever be as good a Ellis is right now and will be for the next 4 or 5 years? That is why I trade Myers for Ellis all the time, any time.

@JFreshHockey
Martin Jones, signed 1x$2M by PHI, has struggled quite a bit since 2018 and tends to have catastrophic games. He was better than both of the Flyers' goalies last season, amusingly. #FlyorDie
Nice so we upgraded. I was upset yesterday at this signing. Not anymore.


- Tomahawk

You know what? I’ve seen this a dozen times on this board.

“Trade Brayden Schenn, he’s an Anchor 5 on 5”. He looked pretty good at even strength to me when he won a Cup with the Blues.

“I hate Mark Recchi, he was mean to Bill Barber when he coached us”. How did Barber’s coaching career go because I’ve seen Recchi win more cups after he left than Barber was able to accept NHL head coaching jobs.

“Jeff Carter shoots wide and bangs too many girls. He needs to focus on hockey!” Also goes on to win 2 cups.

Patrick was picked up by a team in three seasons in Existence who took players most of us have never heard of or average players and made their group a contender ever season. They probably make the final this season if Price wasn’t playing like his family’s lives depended on it. Nolan Patrick’s career is currently in his own hands with a fresh start. He could find himself in Europe in a couple seasons or a Stanley Cup Champion because he definitely landed in a better situation currently than in Philly.
- SuperSchennBros

Kuemper to Colorado for Conor Timmins, 2022 1st round pick, and a conditional 2024 3rd round pick.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes we had to see this coming, Colorado all of sudden yesterday needed a goalie badly with Grubauer signing with Seattle, so they had to pay a hefty price. See, its just the Flyers that have to give up number 1 picks!

When you are asked to do more than you are capable of doing against good competition, that is where the decision making can be exposed. Myers was fine in the AHL and was not noticeable in his first year in the NHL because he was not asked to do what he was asked to do last year in a top 4 role. Perhaps, like anyone, the more he does it and matures, the better and quicker his decision making will be which is why I think Fletcher believes he will be a good defenseman in this league. But I think we are asking the wrong question here. Its not whether or not Myers is good or going to be good, its whether he will ever be as good a Ellis is right now and will be for the next 4 or 5 years? That is why I trade Myers for Ellis all the time, any time.
- jd250

I don't buy your explanation for one second. There's a difference between struggles of inexperience and being labeled as having poor hockey IQ. A poor hockey IQ is not situational. It's something you either have or don't have.
As far as the questions you posed, I agree. Can Ellis hold up. How long will be be a good player. Another question to ask is why did Nashville make the deal? It wasn't because of a cap crunch.

It is impossible for Ristolainen and Dahlin to have played in the same situations. They were only paired together for 86.04 minutes on the season. While Ristolainen played over 715 minutes at 5 on 5 with 7 other teammates. just for last season as an example.

Here is what is also interesting. If you filter for Buffalo, and look at Def. Zone starts/60, look who is at the top? Ristolainen with 9.81 and McCabe with 10.74. They also happen to be the worst two in CF%Rel. Then we look at Dahlin with 6.44 Def. zone starts/60. Yet you claim they play in the same situations. Having an issue reading your own chart. This is what happens when you make an incomplete analysis and only look at one number. This has been mentioned to you many times in the past.
- MJL

Great response, you beat me to it, I was about to respond the same way

Yes we had to see this coming, Colorado all of sudden yesterday needed a goalie badly with Grubauer signing with Seattle, so they had to pay a hefty price. See, its just the Flyers that have to give up number 1 picks!
- jd250

When you are a legitimate Cup contender, that's the time to give up 1st round picks. What was your description of the Flyers in an earlier post? A playoff team that might win a round?

Pens board loves Hextall
- wcorvette

its stupid/ The only thing he can do is trade Malkin

@JFreshHockey
Martin Jones, signed 1x$2M by PHI, has struggled quite a bit since 2018 and tends to have catastrophic games. He was better than both of the Flyers' goalies last season, amusingly. #FlyorDie



- Tomahawk

I really hate these types of charts because they never tell the entire story, no matter how many numbers they have on it. Here is the bottom line, Martin Jones actually had a good year last year, and a much better year than ether Carter Hart or Brian Elliott. Here is a comparison of the 3 of them:

5v5 Save% PK Save % PP Save %
Hart .889 .777 .913
Elliott .892 .865 .889
Jones .904 .833 .935

This clearly shows that both Flyers and Sharks were bad PK teams last year, in fact Jones had his worst PK save % since 2014 with the Kings. But if you look at 5 on 5, Jones was better than Elliott and Hart. So this once again demonstrates that overall team defense has the most impact on a goalie's metrics. I conclude that the Flyers will be top 10 in team defense next season, and thus both Hart and Jones will have outstanding numbers!