i have no problem with him still being booed. Thats fun and part of the game, even if its woefully unoriginal at this point. my umbrage was always with the segment who would try to convince you straight face that due to XYZ they would hate him even if he was on the flyers and would never root for him when literally the entire base would collective throat him as hard as possible should he have been in orange and black.
- stayinthefnnet

The only thing I have against him (and I am not trying to stir something up, just a personal disappointment) is his tepid stance regarding BLM advocacy.

Reminds me of Jordan's infamous "even Republicans buy sneakers," but in Cindy's case, he would have probably benefited from appearing 'woke', sincere or not, and I would have thought even more highly of him if it was the former.

Flahr did all the Phantoms-geared signings. He's the Phantoms GM.
- bmeltzer

Minor league depth. Every minor league affiliate has players like this.

How are we rationalizing Martin Jones 3 straight season sub .900 save %, and recycling Nate Thompson a slug who couldn't play two years ago.

With regards to Fletcher, what part of his Minnesota tenure, made him appealing for the Flyers to hire him?

They should have signed their first back up and also kept Elliot. 2A and 2B.

Elliott wen to TB where Vasi plays like 75% of games and leaves the rest to be divided among much lesser mortals. He went for close to min. Give him 1.2-1.5 and there is no reason he wouldn't take it. Aim to give Hart 40-45 say, your back up (Jones/Holtby whoever) most of the rest and Elliott is your vet insurance policy.

CF goes all in to win and signs two goalies whose last season sv% was 0.87 or something. Unfathomable.
- PT21

Let me ask you this.. are you ready to give up on hart? 1 bad season with extenuating circumstances not the least of which is the team played terribly in from of him. I ask you to go and look at prices progression at a similar age. The idea is that you get a decent backup for your starter and say son we have confidence that you’ll rebound with the better team we have assembled.
We are going nowhere if the young core doesn’t step up FYI.

As I mentioned earlier, ask other teams and players what they think of hart. I bet you they see him in a more positive light than many here. I get the distinct impression many want to cut bait on him and try to land a bigger fish a la bob and Bryz situation. Have we learned nothing?

How did hart play in the 2020 playoffs? During the 10 game winning streak pre covid? I think he was pretty good. I expect him to rebound and so does the org. For once we’re not going with a goalie carousel and sticking with one guy.

A final thing to add. Just read that the flyers goalie coach has worked a lot with Jones from his days in LA. as I remember it, it was very good there with la and backed up a cup winning team. Maybe he will surprise and play well. Regardless hart will carry the ball.

Not upsetting, but is it a priority on the first day of free agency?
- PLindbergh31

Assume they have the bandwidth to multitask

Ok what’s the add?
- landros 2

Honestly? I’m not the Gm. It’s about doing or having the ability to do. Cap flexibility and assets to make not only small moves but big moves too when time is right.

We have seen what the ceiling with this team and coots is…. And it’s not cup. Yes the team is better than last year with moves he’s made. No doubt should be

Honestly if they start like poop I’d be all in for a tank and shot at wright. I mean they’d be getting rid of a bunch of players at deadline or letting them walk anyways

JvR-Couturier-Konency
Giroux-Frost-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Thompson-Allison
NAK

Provorov-Ristolainen
Sanheim-Ellis
Yandle-Braun
Morin

Hart
Jones

Impressed?

The only thing I have against him (and I am not trying to stir something up, just a personal disappointment) is his tepid stance regarding BLM advocacy.

Reminds me of Jordan's infamous "even Republicans buy sneakers," but in Cindy's case, he would have probably benefited from appearing 'woke', sincere or not, and I would have thought even more highly of him if it was the former.
- PT21

yeah, for better or worse, i wont touch that one and hijack your guys board on some political tangent.

i will say that is a unique gripe, and one that im sure you would harbor regardless of team affiliation, so thats really not the sort of thing i was getting at with my main point.

All Fletcher had to do ALLLLLLL day was get a capable backup goaltender...That's it and we get Jones. Fletcher started the negativity first
- Glak18

Hate to break it to ya but if catah isn’t that good a decent back up won’t win us the cup…

Minor league depth. Every minor league affiliate has players like this.

How are we rationalizing Martin Jones 3 straight season sub .900 save %, and recycling Nate Thompson a slug who couldn't play two years ago.

With regards to Fletcher, what part of his Minnesota tenure, made him appealing for the Flyers to hire him?
- PLindbergh31

It was pretty clear AV loves Nate ...

Let me ask you this.. are you ready to give up on hart? 1 bad season with extenuating circumstances not the least of which is the team played terribly in from of him. I ask you to go and look at prices progression at a similar age. The idea is that you get a decent backup for your starter and say son we have confidence that you’ll rebound with the better team we have assembled.
We are going nowhere if the young core doesn’t step up FYI.

As I mentioned earlier, ask other teams and players what they think of hart. I bet you they see him in a more positive light than many here. I get the distinct impression many want to cut bait on him and try to land a bigger fish a la bob and Bryz situation. Have we learned nothing?

How did hart play in the 2020 playoffs? During the 10 game winning streak pre covid? I think he was pretty good. I expect him to rebound and so does the org. For once we’re not going with a goalie carousel and sticking with one guy.

A final thing to add. Just read that the flyers goalie coach has worked a lot with Jones from his days in LA. as I remember it, it was very good there with la and backed up a cup winning team. Maybe he will surprise and play well. Regardless hart will carry the ball.
- Hextall271

hey you can have jarry for hart right now. and only one of them has made an all star game haha

agree, the mistake the Flyers made was when the traded Schenn, one of Jake or Simmonds should have went.

With Malkin I am thinking they should get a haul but it is the last year of his deal, who is going to give all those picks and prospects that Malkin would resign with? I am sure they will get a lot but it is not simple. If I am Malkin I only resign with a contender.

meanwhile knowing Pitt they will go 82-0 this season
- wcorvette

Ummm Fletcher (risto trade)

yeah, for better or worse, i wont touch that one and hijack your guys board on some political tangent.

i will say that is a unique gripe, and one that im sure you would harbor regardless of team affiliation, so thats really not the sort of thing i was getting at with my main point.
- stayinthefnnet

Sure.

Interesting. I was looking at salaries. Bernier got over 4 mil. Mrazek 3.8. Grubaier close to six. Holy crap. The only two options at our price range were Jones and holtby. Suter got over 4. Wtf guys. Throwing money like crazy.
- Hextall271

But but but but flat cap. Can’t do stuff. Flat cap.

Let me ask you this.. are you ready to give up on hart? 1 bad season with extenuating circumstances not the least of which is the team played terribly in from of him. I ask you to go and look at prices progression at a similar age. The idea is that you get a decent backup for your starter and say son we have confidence that you’ll rebound with the better team we have assembled.
We are going nowhere if the young core doesn’t step up FYI.

As I mentioned earlier, ask other teams and players what they think of hart. I bet you they see him in a more positive light than many here. I get the distinct impression many want to cut bait on him and try to land a bigger fish a la bob and Bryz situation. Have we learned nothing?

How did hart play in the 2020 playoffs? During the 10 game winning streak pre covid? I think he was pretty good. I expect him to rebound and so does the org. For once we’re not going with a goalie carousel and sticking with one guy.

A final thing to add. Just read that the flyers goalie coach has worked a lot with Jones from his days in LA. as I remember it, it was very good there with la and backed up a cup winning team. Maybe he will surprise and play well. Regardless hart will carry the ball.
- Hextall271

Why on earth would you read me jumping ship on Hart? I am just trying to rationalize signing Jones and not signing another vet and then spending money on Yandle and Thompson and so on.

If we are in "win now" mode, why not have an insurance policy in place?

It was pretty clear AV loves Nate ...
- PT21

yeah he must have loved watching him get hemmed in the defensive zone for a minute at a time in the Islanders playoff series.

Let me ask you this.. are you ready to give up on hart? 1 bad season with extenuating circumstances not the least of which is the team played terribly in from of him. I ask you to go and look at prices progression at a similar age. The idea is that you get a decent backup for your starter and say son we have confidence that you’ll rebound with the better team we have assembled.
We are going nowhere if the young core doesn’t step up FYI.

As I mentioned earlier, ask other teams and players what they think of hart. I bet you they see him in a more positive light than many here. I get the distinct impression many want to cut bait on him and try to land a bigger fish a la bob and Bryz situation. Have we learned nothing?

How did hart play in the 2020 playoffs? During the 10 game winning streak pre covid? I think he was pretty good. I expect him to rebound and so does the org. For once we’re not going with a goalie carousel and sticking with one guy.

A final thing to add. Just read that the flyers goalie coach has worked a lot with Jones from his days in LA. as I remember it, it was very good there with la and backed up a cup winning team. Maybe he will surprise and play well. Regardless hart will carry the ball.
- Hextall271

Carter did not play good and I think he’d be the first to tell you that. But the locker room was as sour as garlic.
A bunch of wet blankets. And I hate saying it but our captain is also sort of a wet blanket. Pronger even called him out for being Whiney in his rookie szn if you remember. Goalies are never as good or as bad as their stats say. There’s such a fine line between good and bad playing goalie and honestly a big component to being a great goalie is psychology and that scene that young goalie was in sounded poor. I’m not going to sit here and predict the future but id expect all these changes benefit our goalie the most.

I’m curious to see how Carter responds to these changes and in this city we aren’t very patient so I think we will know very early on what type of person this kid is and what type of team we have.

JvR-Couturier-Konency
Giroux-Frost-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Thompson-Allison
NAK

Provorov-Ristolainen
Sanheim-Ellis
Yandle-Braun
Morin

Hart
Jones

Impressed?
- SuperSchennBros

Frost will not be the 2C. And whatever wingers have Thompson centering them just are going to be skating with an anchor.

I have some skepticism as well. But:

1) EVERY Sharks goalie has similarly struggled in recent years, including Dubnyk and Dell. It hasn't just been Jones.

2) Sometimes a fresh start works well, other times not. I confess that I thought Cam Talbot was toast, and then he bounced back in Calgary. Goalies are tough to figure.

3) Jones, in the past, backstopped the Sharks to a Cup Final and a Western Conference Final. He finished as high as 6th in the Vezina race, and was a real workhorse starter for several years. As a one-year backup option, it could work. No denying there's risk, though.
- bmeltzer

I give you much credit bill. Lol myself just looks at Jones and says man this guy sucks.

yeah he must have loved watching him get hemmed in the defensive zone for a minute at a time in the Islanders playoff series.
- PLindbergh31

It is pretty clear Av values a stoic dependability over mercurial talent, especially in the lower pairs. To wit, Hagg over Ghost, for example.

It is like the Hippocratic oath for Hockey (lower lines): First,do no harm.

Why on earth would you read me jumping ship on Hart? I am just trying to rationalize signing Jones and not signing another vet and then spending money on Yandle and Thompson and so on.

If we are in "win now" mode, why not have an insurance policy in place?
- PT21

Because the plan and expectation is for hart to rebound and the backup will likely only get 25 starts. Further, did you see what the next tier of backups received in salary? 3 4 mil. Or most likely more than hart. You pay the 1a more than hart you’re sending the message that you don’t have confidence in him.

JvR-Couturier-Konency
Giroux-Frost-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Thompson-Allison
NAK

Provorov-Ristolainen
Sanheim-Ellis
Yandle-Braun
Morin

Hart
Jones

Impressed?
- SuperSchennBros

You’re not a head coach obviously…

But did you stay at a holiday inn Express last night?

hey you can have jarry for hart right now. and only one of them has made an all star game haha
- stayinthefnnet

Haha. Deal.

Because the plan and expectation is for hart to rebound and the backup will likely only get 25 starts. Further, did you see what the next tier of backups received in salary? 3 4 mil. Or most likely more than hart. You pay the 1a more than hart you’re sending the message that you don’t have confidence in him.
- Hextall271

Plans and expectations, huh? What if these plans and expectations spring a leak?

Elliott got 900k.

Carter did not play good and I think he’d be the first to tell you that. But the locker room was as sour as garlic.
A bunch of wet blankets. And I hate saying it but our captain is also sort of a wet blanket. Pronger even called him out for being Whiney in his rookie szn if you remember. Goalies are never as good or as bad as their stats say. There’s such a fine line between good and bad playing goalie and honestly a big component to being a great goalie is psychology and that scene that young goalie was in sounded poor. I’m not going to sit here and predict the future but id expect all these changes benefit our goalie the most.

I’m curious to see how Carter responds to these changes and in this city we aren’t very patient so I think we will know very early on what type of person this kid is and what type of team we have.
- Jup16

Good post. I really hope the org takes the long game with him. Let him grow into a star. I really feel he’s a franchise goalie. He’s technically sound and before last year he was strong mentally. I think last year was mentally tough. The better team in front of him will help him get the confidence back.

JvR-Couturier-Konency
Giroux-Frost-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-Atkinson
Laughton-Thompson-Allison
NAK

Provorov-Ristolainen
Sanheim-Ellis
Yandle-Braun
Morin

Hart
Jones

Impressed?
- SuperSchennBros

G-Coots-Farabee
JvR-Hayes-TK
Lindblom-Laughton-Atkinson
NAK-Thompson-Allison

Provy-Ellis
Sanheim-Risto
Yandle-York
Braun-Morin

Hart
Jones