Because he only won 2 cups. Should have won more ...
- I Am The Breadman

If Leddy hadn't kicked the puck into the net...

So we did the top perennial team a favor? Wtf
- Assman22

Agreed, this off-season is very confusing

and give Vegas cap relief. at least the yotes can squeeze other teams for add on's. Stan just bends over and again bends over and takes it in the ...............................................
- SaskHawkFan

Dude, you are clueless. Players Yotes are taking on are liabilities and/or borderline NHL players, that's why they get paid. Fleury was one the best goalies in the NHL last year. He'll split the net the Lankanen this season, allowing both to play around 40 games a year and be rested for playoffs.

The only reason he is available is due to his cap. If everything plays out, he could sign a cheap extension for 1-2 seasons to back up Lankanen. Once again, phenomenal trade.

Hakkarainen to Vegas. Stan better have gotten picks/prospects back in this

Please get Krebs for any Fleury trade…

Would soften the blow for the traded #1 for 2022…..

Exhale…..

Dude, you are clueless. Players Yotes are taking on a liabilities and/or borderline NHL players, that's why they got paid. Fluery was one the best goalies in the NHL last year. He'll split the net the Lankanen this season, allowing both to play around 40 games a year and be rested for playoffs.

The only reason he is available is due to his cap.
- CSKA1981

Somehow I can't believe Fleury would waive to go to a team with no chance to win a cup. For those who remember Paul Harvey "Stay tuned for the rest of the story".

Stan has had a pretty good track record of finding and signing Euros that step in and contribute. Curious pattern emerging though that he doesn’t seem interested in keeping them around after they show what they can do in North America. Is he only looking for “lightning in a bottle” potential superstars or something? Solid role players need not apply? I wonder if he’s at all concerned that European free agents stop showing interest in Chicago because of it?

It’s weird.
- Ogilthorpe2

Need to know history of other teams who sign Euro Smurfs perhaps no different?

Phenomenal deal. You get Vezina-winning goalie for absolutely nothing.
- CSKA1981

A couple of things, perhaps:

Either he stays here, retarding Lankinen’s development - would they get a Vezina winner and then play him only 30 games? Lankinen needs to play 50 games to see what he really is, and to develop him into a number 1.

Or they don’t believe Lankinen is the future guy, and a year of Fleury bridges the gap to Commesso.

Or they have a deal in place to move Fleury now.

Hope Stan has a plan:

Sam Spade: You gotta convince me that you know what this is all about, that you aren't just fiddling around hoping it'll all come out right in the end!

Please get Krebs for any Fleury trade…

Would soften the blow for the traded #1 for 2022…..

Exhale…..
- mike7076

Not happening my friend

[quote=ikeane]

Reports fleury would retire if traded elsewhere outside of Vegas so let’s hold off until we see if he’s playing next year. Acquiring price was essentially nothing and I don’t see any additional picks or prospects coming back. Odd deal…unless bowman feels they (players and/or management) can get fleury to camp.

Well we have a mentor for Lanky now.

Obviously Subban and/or Delia will be moved for draft picks/ minor leaguers.

Fleury will be a UFA next year, so one year at 7M with an NTC. If not in contention, we'll flip him at the deadline provided not prevented by the NTC.

That's a huge favor for VGK but Stan gets the goalie he wanted and not forced to give term to any of the UFA goalies which would probably want 2-3 years.

And for all the Stan-moans, I see a guy holding back $$ from his roster guys if they inflate their value in the plan. Z will have value at the deadline because of his dirty snarl and blind-sides.


- wiz1901

Wiz, that was a strong argument about Seth Jones. Just this one part, though. I was a bit surprised that they didn't move Z at the deadline. I am honestly confused about their plans for Z. I don't think too many of us see him as someone who commands that salary, and I wonder if they didn't move him at the deadline because they weren't too crazy about what other teams wanted to give up for his services.

Well we have a mentor for Lanky now.

Obviously Subban and/or Delia will be moved for draft picks/ minor leaguers.

Fleury will be a UFA next year, so one year at 7M with an NTC. If not in contention, we'll flip him at the deadline provided not prevented by the NTC.

That's a huge favor for VGK but Stan gets the goalie he wanted and not forced to give term to any of the UFA goalies which would probably want 2-3 years.
- Popsghostly

Enough of this Subban/Delia nonsense!

[quote=ikeane]
Yea it seems odd nothing else is coming back from Vegas there has be more to this . but its bowman being bowman so who knows anymore. If no other assets are coming from vegas not good. If hawks suck this year which imo most likely will flip at the tdl. Still to many holes looks like management taking one more shot at the cup with towes and kane. If all goes to poop then i could see hawks trading kane and towes. Also wonder if this part a of three team trade vegas sends fleury to chicago for prospect they gain cap space taking the whole contract then hawks fleury to pitt for a 1st and prospect or other picks. If not then i don't what the hell is going on.

Well we have a mentor for Lanky now.

Obviously Subban and/or Delia will be moved for draft picks/ minor leaguers.

Fleury will be a UFA next year, so one year at 7M with an NTC. If not in contention, we'll flip him at the deadline provided not prevented by the NTC.

That's a huge favor for VGK but Stan gets the goalie he wanted and not forced to give term to any of the UFA goalies which would probably want 2-3 years.
- Popsghostly

I love the deal pending what else is included. Would’ve preferred Holtby for Lankinen’s tutor but MAF is solid too

Everyone’s been thinking the rebuild is a typical long rebuild but that hasn’t been the plan.

Two of the best hawks all time still on the roster and the Hawks are going for it again with the remainder of what prime they have left now with Jones in the mix and now a goalie that the organization knows is needed to help win (or not lose) playoff series

I love the deal pending what else is included. Would’ve preferred Holtby for Lankinen’s tutor but MAF is solid too
- Assman22

Holtby is being bought out.

Enough of this Subban/Delia nonsense!
- CSKA1981

One should be sent to Carolina for scraps.

[quote=SteveRain]

I think he floated that so he would not not traded. I have a hard time thinking he walks away from basically $5mil (isn't escrow 18%) for 1 year. I would have rather used the cap space on a player that is going to be here for a few years. are we a playoff team maybe are we a top 5-6 team no.

Holtby is being bought out.
- CSKA1981

Could’ve had Holtby for $$$. So this is how the Oil fans felt after Suter was bought out a day after the Keith trade?! Oh it’s horrible!

And also TO pay Zadorov $3+ a year
- Ogilthorpe2

Your feelings about Zad are getting old can we go back to Anisimov?

Your feelings about Zad are getting old can we go back to Anisimov?
- rpeters01

Kane might like him back - at least there would be some chemistry.

[quote=ikeane]
Sad. Fleury had no idea. He found out just now via twitter! Bush league Vegas

One thing to watch here: there were rumblings Marc-Andre Fleury might choose to retire if traded from Vegas — for family reasons. Not certain how it will all play out.

Always late to the dance and wrecking Theo's early morning west coast hard work and prep for each new blog, but, here goes:




I think you have to put the doings of the last week in perspective:
Jones is an elite level grab that hardly anyone thinks any of this draft's defenseman except Powers (and that is way far down the line.) can be. If you want meet go into that at depth, I am more than willing. He will be the anchor each and every Hawk defender will have as their example. You don't get chances at this kind of player no matter where you perceive the Blackhawk retool/rebuild is.
The only pick at this point that you can try to compare Jones with is the Cole Sillinger.
You can convince yourself he going to be a better pro.
I cannot take that opinion, knowing this draft class and what I have gauged as their upside. The stipulation that let's the Hawks Keep the pick if it raises them into the top six OR Higher to the top picks) of the much better draft class. I have no qualms seeing Shane Wright, Ivan Miroshnichenko (oh no a Russian!), Conor Geekie, Matthew Savoie, Brad Lambert, USA's Logan Cooley, all forwards that are better bets as top liners, and I am willing to throw the mean Czech we saw in World Junior U-20, David Jiricek.
All this is preliminary but our GM had good foresight on adding the provision.(MY QUESTION in the phrasing Lottery win mean the ten slot jump or just if the jump into top two you seem to be saying IS agreement.
Here is the wording:
2022 conditional 1st round pick* (CHI)
*Conditions: If Chicago wins one of the the 2022 draft lotteries, the pick becomes their 2023 1st round pick.. They could be the #16 worst team and win a ten slot drop...
There is no provision if the Blackhawks make the playoffs.
Until I see who the Columbus 2022 Blackhawk traded pick is prospect-wise, I still see the top player you rarely get to draft: a bit nasty defenseman who is effortless on his pins and HAS offensive prowess he was willing to harness to be a set up man.
This isn't Buffalo's #1 puck Dahlin still figuring it out. This is not a Gustav Forsling (who I really liked) who "gets it" but can't handle bigger bodies with regularity.

And for all the Stan-moans, I see a guy holding back $$ from his roster guys if they inflate their value in the plan. Z will have value at the deadline because of his dirty snarl and blind-sides.

Jones is a UFA guy you pay, not a fair to middlin' UFA defender whose name the sports writers have "iconned."

This Hawk draft was based on hope that each and every of their long term developmental picks in time improve and hammer out their armor's chinks. They clearly like them targeted them, not as short term answers.

Another thing: trading two years of first rounders does, is not having any of these 2nd 3rd 4th rounders guys thinking, after a nhl season, they deserve what Pius Suter wants.
All year I wonder what the attraction was. I wouldn't pay to see him, and he may find out that's the case here & elsewhere.
- wiz1901

Wiz, I saw your post this morning and was gonna copy and paste it here and answer........... Firstly let me mentally masturbate over the lil ole USHL. 04 Ivan Miroshnichenko, who looks to go as high as 2nd next yr, was signed as a tender by Muskegon and would have gone head to head with the Steel's tender, an October 04, Adam Fantilli who's ranked to go top 3 in 2023!! But then the mother humpin pandemic ruined it and the kid couldn't get into the US this last season....

Muskegon is the main rival of the Steel and as the draft shows you they are a top jr club in the world... Muskegon tender this yr is Carson Rehkopf who is said would have gone #1 in the OHL draft this yr if he didn't commit to the USHL. ..... This league is lights out can't miss hockey.

The minute I heard of the Jones trade I even posted here, answering your perspective question, was this makes the Hawks better next yr and worse 3-4 yrs down the road. Reason being the Hawks are light on top 6 kids and that COULD have been answered with the #11 this yr and at least a top 15 next yr. Paying for Jones cost the club a chance to answer a need.

Slots them in the squishy middle where you're good enough to be a fringe playoff club and not bad enough to get into the top 10 in the draft for a difference maker or miss the playoffs for 4-5 straight yrs like they have.

The CLB rebuild has lasted what, 2 weeks?????? The NYR rebuild lasted what, 1 year????? The Hawk rebuild/retool?????

You quoted my post where I admit any prospect may bust, I understand. I also in that post said we know Jones is not a bust. I could have worded it better to say the kid is a #1 on this club.

In a flat cap world I want two things from my GM. Value and risk management. If you get value enough times over 3-4-5-6 yrs you'll be one of the last 8-10 teams standing... If you manage risk correctly enough times you limit mistakes enough times and cover your bases reasonably well.

I understand that there will be times that's tested. You might deviate from an organIzational ethos (do the Hawks have an ethos?) when those a rare times an opportunity presents itself.

You're saying Jones is one of those rare times and I'm not disagreeing. Taking into account what Ristalanien, and even Keith and Dillon, cost the market again showed how valuable a Dman is and costs. And how often does a #1 like Jones at his age become available as you mention. I get it.

But StanBow got no value at all besides costing the CHANCE to address the barren top 6 pipeline in the next two drafts. W here was Jarmo gonna go? All that was left were the Hawks. He had leverage to get some value. Cuz he forfeited next yrs 1st rounder he didn't manage risk and I'm not counting the risk of what Bovquist may become (although I'm not a fan and wonder if he did the right thing and drafted Dobson, very similar to Jones, would he have felt the need to make this trade) .........

I'm a Jones guy. He checks so so many boxes and will only be 27. Him at 1D bumps Murphy to 2D and bumps Zadarov to 3D making them all better cuz they are slotted down 1 peg. It also makes their partner better cuz they are playing with a better player. The slotting gets much better/proper just with adding Jones making the whole D better.

In a nutshell, I think the Hawks are better next yr and worse because of the trade in 2-3-4 yrs. The timing was off to give up so many futures, didn't get value or use his leverage, not the best risk management understanding your point that it's a rare opportunity to get a Jones.

But here he is today with in my mind a bonafide #1 and I guess that's the hard part. Now find a couple Dcats in rd 2, Europe or trade or you may have just traded one problem for another.

Let me add I found Friedman's podcast very very interesting. He was asked about the Jones deal but prefaced his answer talking about how the flat cap is causing GM's to really take swings, risks, be bold. How MTL left Price unprotected, MN bought out Suter and Parise. The flat cap will force GM's out of their comfort zones if they wanna make meaningful changes. ........ Interesting listen starting at 12:00 talking about the Jones trade: https://podcasts.google.c...He-9BxYQieUEegQIDRAF&ep=6