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Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:23 PM ET
Why would Nashville pay anything?

If he's on LTIR with Habs it has no impact on Nashville.

What am I missing here?

- Nasty_Duck

It's not the LTIR, it's the possible retirement afterwards.
Takemedrunkimhome
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 03.08.2018

Jul 26 @ 12:24 PM ET
Not at that time, it would have been a horrible look. They were building something and loosing him would have killed it.

They had just lost Suter and the RIM guy was circling. Everyone in Canada (esp MTL) basically said Nashville "didn't deserve" a team (whatever that meant)

- farooge

Ball-silly or Silly-balls or whatever was a good amount before this. Point is Nashville did have a choice and they made it. 4 1st round picks isn't a slap in the face and you could argue if they took it they're a significantly better team today than they currently are (although they'd lose their scf run - like a run that ends in a loss matters - yeah I said it)
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 26 @ 12:25 PM ET
Bergy just found Danault's replacement

JDLR will be UFA, did not get a qualification offer

- Symba007


it's absolutely astounding to me that that guy has somehow managed to play in the NHL for 8 years.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 26 @ 12:26 PM ET
it's absolutely astounding to me that that guy has somehow managed to play in the NHL for 8 years.
- DoubleDown


8 games should have been enough
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:26 PM ET
if he retires before the end of the contract (still 5 y to go) it will impact Nash on the cap. like seriously.
- fidopro

Ding ding! As it is, they're lucky they changed the recapture terms. It used to be that they'd be penalized 24M plus in his final year. Now the amount can't exceed his cap hit, but the amount remains the same, hence the 7.8M hit until 2030.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:26 PM ET
it's absolutely astounding to me that that guy has somehow managed to play in the NHL for 8 years.
- DoubleDown

he was once praised by the great Adam French as a fantastic pick by MTL
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 26 @ 12:27 PM ET
I see the Habs sending Weber back to Nash for a "B" prospect...nothing crazy. I can't see the Habs trying to screw the Preds over this.
- Symba007


because if there's one thing we know about Marc Bergevin, it's his concern with optics
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:28 PM ET
because if there's one thing we know about Marc Bergevin, it's his concern with optics
- DoubleDown

He won't be making the decision. Shea won't retire until he sees how the surgeries go. Bergy will be gone by then.
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 26 @ 12:29 PM ET
He won't be making the decision. Shea won't retire until he sees how the surgeries go.
- Darksyde

oh absolutely, not before next summer imo
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 26 @ 12:29 PM ET
He won't be making the decision. Shea won't retire until he sees how the surgeries go.
- Darksyde


for sure. earliest he would retire i would say is before the 22-23 season.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jul 26 @ 12:44 PM ET
It's not the LTIR, it's the possible retirement afterwards.
- Darksyde


How will Nashville prevent him from retiring IF he actually wanted to forgo the 12M he is still owed on the contract?

Even IF he retires, I really don't see the NHL punishing Nashville.

1) they did not create the contract
2) The "penalty" did not exist when they matched the offer sheet
3) The penalty to NJ for Kovalchuk was rescinded I believe

The NHL will find a way around it and not cropple one of their teams.
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:56 PM ET
How will Nashville prevent him from retiring IF he actually wanted to forgo the 12M he is still owed on the contract?

Even IF he retires, I really don't see the NHL punishing Nashville.

1) they did not create the contract
2) The "penalty" did not exist when they matched the offer sheet
3) The penalty to NJ for Kovalchuk was rescinded I believe

The NHL will find a way around it and not cropple one of their teams.

- Nasty_Duck

Nashville will pay him the 12M to stay at home in LTIR...I know Montreal could do the same, but to not take advantage of the situation would be lazy. Respectful, yes, but lazy.
Kovalchuk was told if he was to "retire", he couldn't come back until his existing contract ended. When he came back a year or so early, NJ still held his rights, and had to go through waivers, etc... He couldn't just sign with a new team.
Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins
Location: ON
Joined: 06.20.2012

Jul 26 @ 12:57 PM ET
Nashville will pay him the 12M to stay at home in LTIR...I know Montreal could do the same, but to not take advantage of the situation would be lazy. Respectful, yes, but lazy.
Kovalchuk was told if he was to "retire", he couldn't come back until his existing contract ended. When he came back a year or so early, NJ still held his rights, and had to go through waivers, etc...

- Darksyde


How does MON take advantage? What happens when Nashville says get bent?
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 12:58 PM ET
How does MON take advantage? What happens when Nashville says get bent?
- Nasty_Duck

Then Weber retires early, and Nashville gets nailed with a cap penalty of 7.8M until 2030, per the penalty, which was already restructured recently.
Edit: Nothing really changes for Weber, it's Nashville that has to worry.
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:01 PM ET
And for those who are saying the penalty is unfair, yeah, but so was the manipulation of the contract to lower the cap hit. Even if the terms weren't written by Nashville, they were agreed to by Nashville, hence them paying the penalty.
SHabs
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 07.23.2021

Jul 26 @ 1:01 PM ET
i think the chances of Danault returning are higher than most think. i don't blame him for testing the market. he's hoping there's a big score out there but if there's not, the Canadiens will be there as a fallback option. he knows the Habs are likely unable to properly replace him and will welcome him back.
- DoubleDown

If the money isn’t already spent on other players!
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:09 PM ET
(No, I'm not that up to date on contract minutiae, I was just talking about it over lunch with a friend this weekend, and we looked it all up.)
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:24 PM ET
Habs will sign Nick Bonino on wednesday
Karine Hains
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Lévis, QC
Joined: 10.27.2018

Jul 26 @ 1:32 PM ET
The Canadiens have submitted qualifying offers to six players, including Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Artturi Lehkonen and Ryan Poehling.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:39 PM ET
The Canadiens have submitted qualifying offers to six players, including Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Artturi Lehkonen and Ryan Poehling.
- Karine Hains

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@CanadiensMTL
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The Canadiens have submitted qualifying offers to six players, including Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Artturi Lehkonen and Ryan Poehling.
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jul 26 @ 1:43 PM ET
Qualifying offers have submitted by the Canadiens to half a dozen players, including but not limited to Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Artturi Lehkonen and Ryan Poehling.
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:43 PM ET
Renaud "Synchronized pushups" Lavoie
@renlavoietva
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4m
@TVA Sports Only Joseph Blandisi and Jacob Luchini did not receive their QO. They are now UFA. #TVA Sports
@CanadiensMTL

@TVASports

PS: @TVA Sports
Fredobbface
Calgary Flames
Location: 3 years 5-4-3-3 For a total of 14.5M and a cap hit of 2M, QC
Joined: 07.31.2008

Jul 26 @ 1:49 PM ET
Renaud "Synchronized pushups" Lavoie
@renlavoietva
·
4m
@TVA Sports Only Joseph Blandisi and Jacob Luchini did not receive their QO. They are now UFA. #TVA Sports
@CanadiensMTL

@TVASports

PS: @TVA Sports

- Symba007

La petite italie est en deuil
DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 26 @ 1:51 PM ET
La petite italie est en deuil
- Fredobbface


how about that Canadian mens soccer team
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: No, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jul 26 @ 1:52 PM ET
how about that Canadian mens soccer team
- DoubleDown

2-0 vs Costa Rica, playing Mexico on thursday?

saw that on Sports 30 at lunch
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