Should read they WOULD lose more in the regular division setups, but they'd be at or near the top
- Zezel

I'm thinking 3rd(ish).

Hyman is going to have career years, that's for sure. But totally agreed -- after 3 seasons it's going to over like a lead balloon.


- mjones242

At least Zeppelin never had their cap anchor years

Can he be a player/coach instead?
- mjones242

He’d probably make a good coach..

Prediction:

He’ll retire halfway through the season and replace Dubas as GM.
- Tanooki

Wouldn't surprise me at all if he get that job down the line.
A gig in the AHL or ~similar is likely needed first though.
No doubt he's GM material. Top notch guy!

I'm thinking 3rd(ish).
- mjones242

I'm looking forward to them playing Tampa and Boston again, those games will be fun.

Harry Turtledove wrote a whole series on the South winning the Civil War. I don't think they had Shermans. 🤔
- mjones242

Interesting reads.

Can he be a player/coach instead?
- mjones242

Did someone do that recent years?

A couple things:

Marner is NOT the heart and soul of this Leafs team. Exact opposite, in fact, or I have a totally different definition of the term.

Dubas gets maybe a B- as a GM. Not because he's young and successful but because he sucks at some shiit. He's either stubborn or arrogant. Does not change his tact enough when the problems are obvious.

Keefe was partially to blame for the playoff loss, he should've split up Marner and Matthews after JT went down or at least in games 6 and 7...even for a few shifts to see how Habs would respond to spreading out the talent away from Danault.

Hyman is a grinder and we need at least 2 more of him...maybe even a bit angrier and more durable versions. But we got his best years and now he's broken down...especially broken when we needed him most the past 3 years.

We need cross checkers on our D. I just want to hear for ONE FU#KING season that Leafs D is dirty and get away with cross check after cross check....sick of hearing it the other way around.

We have no Cap, no picks this year, very few prospects and the Leafs need:

-at least 2 LW that can play in the top 6
-1 more forward in the bottom 6
-1 more RD, top 4 preferably
-1 #2G

Kinda fu3ked.

Asset management has been awful and unless the Leafs are favored to win the Cup next year, Rielly should be signed or traded before the puck drops this year.

If Hyman was dealt at the start of last season, I doubt the trade would've been for a 2nd. It would've been for a roster player.
- matt1337

Who is trading for Hyman for a roster player under contract for cheap who can do the same thing? Makes zero sense from the other side.

Essentially a long term Hyman at 2.5 million who can play top winger. Why would a team give that up for Hyman? It would only be for picks and prospects.

Do you think the Leafs have the same winning percentage over an 82 game schedule in the Atlantic division? Do you think they finish 1st in the division?

I don't.
- mjones242

They would get to play Buffalo and Detroit who were bottom feeders below Montreal, canucks and the flames. Doubt they win the division with Tampa but do they compete and have a chance at the same record? Yes.

A couple things:

Marner is NOT the heart and soul of this Leafs team. Exact opposite, in fact, or I have a totally different definition of the term.

Dubas gets maybe a B- as a GM. Not because he's young and successful but because he sucks at some shiit. He's either stubborn or arrogant. Does not change his tact enough when the problems are obvious.

Keefe was partially to blame for the playoff loss, he should've split up Marner and Matthews after JT went down or at least in games 6 and 7...even for a few shifts to see how Habs would respond to spreading out the talent away from Danault.

Hyman is a grinder and we need at least 2 more of him...maybe even a bit angrier and more durable versions. But we got his best years and now he's broken down...especially broken when we needed him most the past 3 years.

We need cross checkers on our D. I just want to hear for ONE FU#KING season that Leafs D is dirty and get away with cross check after cross check....sick of hearing it the other way around.

We have no Cap, no picks this year, very few prospects and the Leafs need:

-at least 2 LW that can play in the top 6
-1 more forward in the bottom 6
-1 more RD, top 4 preferably
-1 #2G

Kinda fu3ked.

Asset management has been awful and unless the Leafs are favored to win the Cup next year, Rielly should be signed or traded before the puck drops this year.
- underhill14

We had 12 picks last year. When you have a good team and your stars are young you don’t need picks as much.

We had 12 picks last year. When you have a good team and your stars are young you don’t need picks as much.
- shack67

In a flat Cap era, it's going to be mandatory to survival that ELCs are in the line up.

Not looking good for the Leafs the next few years.

Sandin...sure, but after his playoff gaffs I don't have full faith.
Lily....not sure
Robertson...maybe
Amirov....amirite

And then who?

They would get to play Buffalo and Detroit who were bottom feeders below Montreal, canucks and the flames. Doubt they win the division with Tampa but do they compete and have a chance at the same record? Yes.
- Aaron_85

This is a good point too. All the other divisions this year had their share of brutal teams.

A couple things:

Marner is NOT the heart and soul of this Leafs team. Exact opposite, in fact, or I have a totally different definition of the term.

Dubas gets maybe a B- as a GM. Not because he's young and successful but because he sucks at some shiit. He's either stubborn or arrogant. Does not change his tact enough when the problems are obvious.

Keefe was partially to blame for the playoff loss, he should've split up Marner and Matthews after JT went down or at least in games 6 and 7...even for a few shifts to see how Habs would respond to spreading out the talent away from Danault.

Hyman is a grinder and we need at least 2 more of him...maybe even a bit angrier and more durable versions. But we got his best years and now he's broken down...especially broken when we needed him most the past 3 years.

We need cross checkers on our D. I just want to hear for ONE FU#KING season that Leafs D is dirty and get away with cross check after cross check....sick of hearing it the other way around.

We have no Cap, no picks this year, very few prospects and the Leafs need:

-at least 2 LW that can play in the top 6
-1 more forward in the bottom 6
-1 more RD, top 4 preferably
-1 #2G

Kinda fu3ked.

Asset management has been awful and unless the Leafs are favored to win the Cup next year, Rielly should be signed or traded before the puck drops this year.
- underhill14

Okay, here's the rub. You can't have a 1000 prospects. They eventually need to be signed or sent back to the draft or some poop.

Jarmo in Colombus blew his load like no other to go for it and then let Bobrovsky and Panarin both walk. He didn't have the young guys like Dubas has and yet he's turning it around now a few years later.

Give Dubas some time to do some things. Now is absolutely the time to trade picks and depth prospects for roster players if need be. You can't predict the future so we can't go "Well this is the year we are FOR SURE winning the cup so trade everything!" Same as the opposite. Dubas is doing what he can to go for it. The window is open now. That's the job. To go for it now.

In a flat Cap era, it's going to be mandatory to survival that ELCs are in the line up.

Not looking good for the Leafs the next few years.

Sandin...sure, but after his playoff gaffs I don't have full faith.
Lily....not sure
Robertson...maybe
Amirov....amirite

And then who?
- underhill14

Voit. Knies. Half a dozen other later round picks. You're just naming their top picks. Most organizations competing for playoffs and contenders don't have 6 to 10 top guys.

In a flat Cap era, it's going to be mandatory to survival that ELCs are in the line up.

Not looking good for the Leafs the next few years.

Sandin...sure, but after his playoff gaffs I don't have full faith.
Lily....not sure
Robertson...maybe
Amirov....amirite

And then who?
- underhill14

Before Caufield broke into the league every Dubas wife in here was so cocky about Robertson. They all said he was further along in his development and he’s going to be a much better player, but that didn’t happen. The truth is none of the Leafs prospects look decent. Liljegren is a bust, Amirov did nothing at the WJC or after. Niemela/Hirovenen/ other Finn will probably amount to nothing. Dubas hasn’t drafted any notable Canadians and and passed on some real good ones. He’s been brutal at almost every aspect of his job. Leafs fans are either brutally honest and fair (me), or absolute homers who embarrass themselves amongst other hockey fans.

I’m not a Liberal but what are the qualifications to be Prime Minister?
- Canada Cup

Guitar solo of the week - a rare one, from the Rolling Stones Rock N Roll Circus show. The Dirty Mac

Okay, here's the rub. You can't have a 1000 prospects. They eventually need to be signed or sent back to the draft or some poop.

Jarmo in Colombus blew his load like no other to go for it and then let Bobrovsky and Panarin both walk. He didn't have the young guys like Dubas has and yet he's turning it around now a few years later.

Give Dubas some time to do some things. Now is absolutely the time to trade picks and depth prospects for roster players if need be. You can't predict the future so we can't go "Well this is the year we are FOR SURE winning the cup so trade everything!" Same as the opposite. Dubas is doing what he can to go for it. The window is open now. That's the job. To go for it now.
- Aaron_85

this

Before Caufield broke into the league every Dubas wife in here was so cocky about Robertson. They all said he was further along in his development and he’s going to be a much better player, but that didn’t happen. The truth is none of the Leafs prospects look decent. Liljegren is a bust, Amirov did nothing at the WJC or after. Niemela/Hirovenen/ other Finn will probably amount to nothing. Dubas hasn’t drafted any notable Canadians and and passed on some real good ones. He’s been brutal at almost every aspect of his job. Leafs fans are either brutally honest and fair (me), or absolute homers who embarrass themselves amongst other hockey fans.
- Tanooki

Congratulations you're an idiot troll. Caufield stood out because of the lack of offensive talent on the wasteland of a team. Montreal will be fighting to make the playoffs again. If they make it perhaps they can cross-check their way past the first round

Voit. Knies. Half a dozen other later round picks. You're just naming their top picks. Most organizations competing for playoffs and contenders don't have 6 to 10 top guys.
- Aaron_85

Must say that Leafs' roster/ cap situation/ prospects in the system/ picks next year, looks very weak for a 'so called' contender...

Okay, here's the rub. You can't have a 1000 prospects. They eventually need to be signed or sent back to the draft or some poop.

Jarmo in Colombus blew his load like no other to go for it and then let Bobrovsky and Panarin both walk. He didn't have the young guys like Dubas has and yet he's turning it around now a few years later.

Give Dubas some time to do some things. Now is absolutely the time to trade picks and depth prospects for roster players if need be. You can't predict the future so we can't go "Well this is the year we are FOR SURE winning the cup so trade everything!" Same as the opposite. Dubas is doing what he can to go for it. The window is open now. That's the job. To go for it now.
- Aaron_85

Every team strives to be in the playoffs every year and have a kick at the can. That’s where we are now. Right now I don’t think anyone should be worried about 10 years from now. When that comes we’ll hit reset. Our fans don’t seem to be able to enjoy the ride.

Before Caufield broke into the league every Dubas wife in here was so cocky about Robertson. They all said he was further along in his development and he’s going to be a much better player, but that didn’t happen. The truth is none of the Leafs prospects look decent. Liljegren is a bust, Amirov did nothing at the WJC or after. Niemela/Hirovenen/ other Finn will probably amount to nothing. Dubas hasn’t drafted any notable Canadians and and passed on some real good ones. He’s been brutal at almost every aspect of his job. Leafs fans are either brutally honest and fair (me), or absolute homers who embarrass themselves amongst other hockey fans.
- Tanooki

is Robertson dead? he's 19 years old with 6 nhl games experience. brutally honest my ass.

Congratulations you're an idiot troll. Caufield stood out because of the lack of offensive talent on the wasteland of a team. Montreal will be fighting to make the playoffs again. If they make it perhaps they can cross-check their way past the first round
- winsix

How can you say that??
- This is his 'most normal' alt. He hardly use any kid language here...

Before Caufield broke into the league every Dubas wife in here was so cocky about Robertson. They all said he was further along in his development and he’s going to be a much better player, but that didn’t happen. The truth is none of the Leafs prospects look decent. Liljegren is a bust, Amirov did nothing at the WJC or after. Niemela/Hirovenen/ other Finn will probably amount to nothing. Dubas hasn’t drafted any notable Canadians and and passed on some real good ones. He’s been brutal at almost every aspect of his job. Leafs fans are either brutally honest and fair (me), or absolute homers who embarrass themselves amongst other hockey fans.
- Tanooki

This is the state of Leafs Nation right now.

is Robertson dead? he's 19 years old with 6 nhl games experience. brutally honest my ass.
- systemtool

Wow, he's still only 19? Nice. But if he or Sandin makes one more mistake, they are busts.