I'm definitely not on the bandwagon to spend 5M on a 3C. I'm definitely on the bandwagon of shifting that distribution from 1RW to 1RHD.
- mjones242

I agree, $5M for a 3C or heck, any 3rd liner is a lot of cap space..

There should be a lot of options, but not many that are able to drastically improve the roster..

Kahun could be interesting but so could a host of other players..

I would do it..

McGinn-Nash-Mikheyev would be a solid 3rd line

Leafs should maybe go after Alex Nylander?

put him on the 2nd line with Tavares and William Nylander
- PatC80

That would be interesting. He was hurt most of last year with a knee injury I believe

Setting aside your bitterness for a moment - what does taking or throwing a hit have to do here?

Let's state the obvious: Marner is a top-5 point getter in the league. He's an elite penalty killer.

Now we can revist his negative impacts which are that he's small of frame and size. Should Chicago have traded Patrick Kane or Alex DeBrincat because they don't hit or get hit?

If the decision is that Toronto needs to change it's on-ice dynamic (which I suspect will be the outcome after this last kick at the can), then it's likely that Marner will be one of the first people shipped out to change the construction of the team. But Chicago won two cups led by a small guy like Kane. Marner has the same thing going for him, and I wouldn't get rid of him because the team failed to perform against Montreal. Last year McDavid was held pointless in 2 games against the Jets being swept. The Oilers aren't going crazy trying to trade him. They're going crazy acquiring 40 year old players or signing players until they're 40. That's different.

The cap problem in Toronto is certain centered around Marner making $1.5 - $2m too much - but the real issue is probably that we are paying our second line centre $11m and he didn't even bother showing up for the playoffs after about a minute.
- Monkeypunk

Stop ruining a good scapegoating!

Better, got my feeling back in my left toes finally. It was the last thing keeping me in the hospital. Thankfully it was very minor, so I shouldn't have any lasting damage.
- AdamFrench

Nice ...

I'm definitely not on the bandwagon to spend 5M on a 3C. I'm definitely on the bandwagon of shifting that distribution from 1RW to 1RHD.
- mjones242

So was I until I saw that they were not commanding north of $9m in the market. What the ever loving Hell is going on? How do you trade Marner and sign a #1 RHD for $6m and use the $5m in savings on other things when they cost so much?

I still agree that we need a real franchise-type defenseman - and like everyone here, I'm also quite aware that it's not Rielly.

how many of those other elite PK guys make close to $11M per season? how many of those other elite PK guys are afraid to throw, or take a hit to make a play?
- PatC80

Quoted for truth for Marner wives.

Setting aside your bitterness for a moment - what does taking or throwing a hit have to do here?

Let's state the obvious: Marner is a top-5 point getter in the league. He's an elite penalty killer.

Now we can revist his negative impacts which are that he's small of frame and size. Should Chicago have traded Patrick Kane or Alex DeBrincat because they don't hit or get hit?

If the decision is that Toronto needs to change it's on-ice dynamic (which I suspect will be the outcome after this last kick at the can), then it's likely that Marner will be one of the first people shipped out to change the construction of the team. But Chicago won two cups led by a small guy like Kane. Marner has the same thing going for him, and I wouldn't get rid of him because the team failed to perform against Montreal. Last year McDavid was held pointless in 2 games against the Jets being swept. The Oilers aren't going crazy trying to trade him. They're going crazy acquiring 40 year old players or signing players until they're 40. That's different.

The cap problem in Toronto is certain centered around Marner making $1.5 - $2m too much - but the real issue is probably that we are paying our second line centre $11m and he didn't even bother showing up for the playoffs after about a minute.
- Monkeypunk

I'm not bitter about Marner any more, that has passed... To me, it's all about cap space now.. How can they improve the team with less than $10M left in cap space? Dubas has said that they are looking at brining in 2 or 3 more forwards, a defenseman like Bogosian and a goalie to play with Campbell...

How do they add 5 valuable pieces with less than $10M in cap space..

Marner is a highly skilled, offensively gifted and dynamic player that can change a game, but to me, to address 5 needs (assuming Dubas is telling the truth) they can't do it.. Not unless they move out one of the big 4.

I agree, $5M for a 3C or heck, any 3rd liner is a lot of cap space..

There should be a lot of options, but not many that are able to drastically improve the roster..

Kahun could be interesting but so could a host of other players..
- PatC80

I don't mind Kahun's skill, but he's not big and he's not physical, so he sort of fits in, as you said, with a host of other players. Like if I was thinking about getting Kahun, I might first think, "We already have Nick Robertson who might offer more upside and opportunity and cost savings."

Stop ruining a good scapegoating!
- Zezel

It's not just about blaming Marner anymore..

It's moved on to cap space and can the Leafs improve enough to compete in the Atlantic division?

How many make so many plays that they're 4th in league scoring?
- Zezel

Don't ya just love fantasizing about the Presidents trophy.

Yep. Triggered body wide muscle spasms that caused a minor stroke. Was very fun. Thankfully they expect I won't have any lasting issues.
- AdamFrench

Geez.
well glad you are getting better and expect to have no lasting issues

I don't mind Kahun's skill, but he's not big and he's not physical, so he sort of fits in, as you said, with a host of other players. Like if I was thinking about getting Kahun, I might first think, "We already have Nick Robertson who might offer more upside and opportunity and cost savings."
- Monkeypunk

Kahun at a low cap hit can be a good fit..

I could see the Leafs maybe targeting someone like Khaira though.. Montreal was a far more physical team than we were.. Khaira at least helps in that area

Setting aside your bitterness for a moment - what does taking or throwing a hit have to do here?

Let's state the obvious: Marner is a top-5 point getter in the league. He's an elite penalty killer.

Now we can revist his negative impacts which are that he's small of frame and size. Should Chicago have traded Patrick Kane or Alex DeBrincat because they don't hit or get hit?

If the decision is that Toronto needs to change it's on-ice dynamic (which I suspect will be the outcome after this last kick at the can), then it's likely that Marner will be one of the first people shipped out to change the construction of the team. But Chicago won two cups led by a small guy like Kane. Marner has the same thing going for him, and I wouldn't get rid of him because the team failed to perform against Montreal. Last year McDavid was held pointless in 2 games against the Jets being swept. The Oilers aren't going crazy trying to trade him. They're going crazy acquiring 40 year old players or signing players until they're 40. That's different.

The cap problem in Toronto is certain centered around Marner making $1.5 - $2m too much - but the real issue is probably that we are paying our second line centre $11m and he didn't even bother showing up for the playoffs after about a minute.
- Monkeypunk

I've kinda come to accept that for better or worse, the Leafs are going to go with the current construction of the team for the next few years, and see what happens.

It doesn't make sense to do a compete overhaul of the roster at this point - we have 3 more years with Matthews and Nylander, and 4 more years of Tavares and Marner.

We simply don't have time to take one step backwards in order to take two steps forward a couple of years from now.

You have a 1 in 32 chance of winning the Stanley Cup.

Some leaps of blind faith are going to be required.

how many of those other elite PK guys make close to $11M per season? how many of those other elite PK guys are afraid to throw, or take a hit to make a play?
- PatC80

I’m going to assume this was said in jest.

It's almost like we have a massive contract on this team that is making things super difficult.
- mjones242

We have several of them

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Toooooooo funny.
- Atomic Wedgie

The hot dogs?

I agree. And it seems to come from younger people, not oldies like myself. Jealousy always rears its ugly head.
- shack67

I’m old as (frank) and I hope dubass gets gonnareah in the mouth 😡

It's not just about blaming Marner anymore..

It's moved on to cap space and can the Leafs improve enough to compete in the Atlantic division?
- PatC80

Get the powerplay % to where it should be and we improve dramatically without adding a single player.

Everyone is complaining about the quality of the players and how we can't get better over last year - but the truth is we can improve dramatically with the team we have if the players would actually perform and if the coaches actually coached.

Get the powerplay % to where it should be and we improve dramatically without adding a single player.

Everyone is complaining about the quality of the players and how we can't get better over last year - but the truth is we can improve dramatically with the team we have if the players would actually perform and if the coaches actually coached.
- Leafs43

That's just ridiculous.

It's not just about blaming Marner anymore..

It's moved on to cap space and can the Leafs improve enough to compete in the Atlantic division?
- PatC80

then you move out the easier cap to create it and keep the better player.
Trade willie.
Easier to find a suitor for 7.4m than 10.5


but it does still seem like marner hate from some. Not saying you, but people are still bitter.

Get the powerplay % to where it should be and we improve dramatically without adding a single player.

Everyone is complaining about the quality of the players and how we can't get better over last year - but the truth is we can improve dramatically with the team we have if the players would actually perform and if the coaches actually coached.
- Leafs43

This is true as well.
Coaching failed the leafs in the last half of the season (powerplay) and in the playoffs.
No adjustments or changes were made.

Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
As of right now, the Canucks are still trying to trade Holtby first, have not made a decision on buyout yet.

Fluid situation, things can change quick.

Holtby was a bad signing. and this is no surprise.

(where max at)

Get the powerplay % to where it should be and we improve dramatically without adding a single player.

Everyone is complaining about the quality of the players and how we can't get better over last year - but the truth is we can improve dramatically with the team we have if the players would actually perform and if the coaches actually coached.
- Leafs43

Are you suggesting that contracts don’t actually play but that players do and that if the elite players that are signed to these contracts play up to their potential in the playoffs that they will have success?

If that’s the case, maybe you could add free agents that compliment their play and shift the type of play into a direction that works better in the playoffs? Maybe

I'm not bitter about Marner any more, that has passed... To me, it's all about cap space now.. How can they improve the team with less than $10M left in cap space? Dubas has said that they are looking at brining in 2 or 3 more forwards, a defenseman like Bogosian and a goalie to play with Campbell...

How do they add 5 valuable pieces with less than $10M in cap space..

Marner is a highly skilled, offensively gifted and dynamic player that can change a game, but to me, to address 5 needs (assuming Dubas is telling the truth) they can't do it.. Not unless they move out one of the big 4.
- PatC80

I think it's 2 Fwds plus a goalie with ~ 9M to spend. Any more additions will mean someone is probably getting subtracted.

Still not sexy though.

Here's hoping Robertson is having one hell of a summer and is ready to make the jump.

So was I until I saw that they were not commanding north of $9m in the market. What the ever loving Hell is going on? How do you trade Marner and sign a #1 RHD for $6m and use the $5m in savings on other things when they cost so much?

I still agree that we need a real franchise-type defenseman - and like everyone here, I'm also quite aware that it's not Rielly.
- Monkeypunk

In:

Dougie Hamilton - 9M
Gabriel Landeskog - 7.5M

Out:

Marner - 10.9M
Rielly - 5M

That is what I would do.

Fantasy insanity, but it's so clean and beautiful I can't help but indulge.