It was a reactionary draft by the Hawks. It wasn't a maybe on the reach. Allen was projected as a 4th, maybe late 3rd round pick.

It might be the worst draft the Hawks have had under Bowman and Kelley.

The next GM is going to have one heel of a mess to clean up.

Also, when was the last time a 1C UFA was on the market?
- Elbows15

You sure complain a lot

You sure complain a lot
- rwilliams88

I don’t see any complaints here, just an opinion.

Thank God you don't run the legal system in this country
- vabeachbear

Do explain like to know where i m wrong?

So would C. Jones and Stillman be your 3rd pair? If deHaan can regain some of the form he was showing before the last shoulder surgery that would be fine, but I'd rather see more of Kalynuk than Z. Maybe Mitchell and Beaudin spend the majority of next season playing big mins in RFD.
- HawkintheD

My money is on Caleb and Seth being a d pairing, Bowman and Co think this is going to be like the Sedin twins.

What i don't understand why was Bowman so desperate? Giving up Boqvist and those draft picks, maybe he's come to a place where he doesn't think he's any good at drafting dmen.

For me id rather Kalynuk pair with Murphy since Kalynuk thinks the game much better than Murphy. He just needs to get more experience and strength

If and it's a big if, Caleb and Seth can be an effective pairing, this might actually work.

My money is on Caleb and Seth being a d pairing, Bowman and Co think this is going to be like the Sedin twins.
- BetweenTheDots

He does?

Well, if Seth is a true #1 horse, he should be able to carry a lesser guy. Like Hedman was sometimes paired with Rutta.

So would C. Jones and Stillman be your 3rd pair? If deHaan can regain some of the form he was showing before the last shoulder surgery that would be fine, but I'd rather see more of Kalynuk than Z. Maybe Mitchell and Beaudin spend the majority of next season playing big mins in RFD.
- HawkintheD

As the defense stands now (not including Zadorov since he’s not signed):

Kalynuk - Jones
de Haan - Murphy
Stillman - Jones
Beaudin

He does?

Well, if Seth is a true #1 horse, he should be able to carry a lesser guy. Like Hedman was sometimes paired with Rutta.
- mohel

I agree, but the forwards still have to help. It'll be interesting.

I agree, but the forwards still have to help. It'll be interesting.
- BetweenTheDots

Yep, for sure the forwards have to play much better defense. Without that nobody will look great, imo. I would like to see JC demand more of that next season, using the bench as a threat.

What i don't understand why was Bowman so desperate? Giving up Boqvist and those draft picks, maybe he's come to a place where he doesn't think he's any good at drafting dmen.
- BetweenTheDots

This is simply blind speculation by me, but I think Stan knows he needs some veteran presence in the lineup that plays high end hockey (I.e. not Keith, De Haan, or Z). We can all argue (and have) whether Jones brings that, but Stan identified him as that player. The Hawks have 8793 “puck movers” on the back end and not all of them were ever going to be on the team together. I don’t love the two 1sts, and don’t love the contract (especially the length), but it’s apparently the cost of doing business.

If I had to guess, Stan will be trying to trade some more to get some impact forwards, but who knows how that will go.

This roster will continue to change for the next year or so (IMO) until they can pinpoint who the actual players are.

I’ll be watching intently to see which young players can actually step up and hopefully they start to play more as a team.

As the defense stands now (not including Zadorov since he’s not signed):

Kalynuk - Jones
de Haan - Murphy
Stillman - Jones
Beaudin
- DarthKane

Yikes!!

Yep, for sure the forwards have to play much better defense. Without that nobody will look great, imo. I would like to see JC demand more of that next season, using the bench as a threat.
- mohel

Forwards need to stop fleeing the d zone to quickly. Collapse to middle and in front of the net work there way out from there imo.

My money is on Caleb and Seth being a d pairing, Bowman and Co think this is going to be like the Sedin twins.
- BetweenTheDots

Do you know Bowman thinks this or are you speculating? To the best of my knowledge the Jones brothers have never played on a team together while the Sedins played not only on the same but the same line their whole life. Also Caleb hasn’t proven he’s an NHL caliber defenseman let alone a first pairing player. You don’t foresee that being a problem with other players seeing him getting preferential treatment based on who he’s related to?

Tavarez???
- hawk35

How is that working out?

Terrible all around if they knew.
Heads should roll.
And if it's TRUE the players knew and were taunting him then truly awful. I have no words.
- CanHawk

Here we go. It was fun while it lasted. See ya.

Coming in second is still losing.
Stan had to go big enough to take him off the market that's what he was bidding against, ✅
Secondly, when a player signs an "extension" look at it as making the current year whole. It happens every time in other sports, usually by way of signing bonus. I have no idea what they did with Jones. I just know I'd rather have him playing for us than not. There's still two guys on the team making more than he does.
- rpeters01

Yeah, ok. This time coming in 2nd would have been a huge win.

Yeah, let me know when Jones won anything.

This is simply blind speculation by me, but I think Stan knows he needs some veteran presence in the lineup that plays high end hockey (I.e. not Keith, De Haan, or Z). We can all argue (and have) whether Jones brings that, but Stan identified him as that player. The Hawks have 8793 “puck movers” on the back end and not all of them were ever going to be on the team together. I don’t love the two 1sts, and don’t love the contract (especially the length), but it’s apparently the cost of doing business.

If I had to guess, Stan will be trying to trade some more to get some impact forwards, but who knows how that will go.

This roster will continue to change for the next year or so (IMO) until they can pinpoint who the actual players are.

I’ll be watching intently to see which young players can actually step up and hopefully they start to play more as a team.
- Chunk

Great points Chuck my opinion see what d are good outlet passers and identity where to go with the puck under pressure. Hawks need speed and physicality on the forecheck and sustainable winning board battles. The good thing we saw that at times last season just consistent enough if those things can be improved that opens other things on the ice and relieve the pressure in the d zone.

Prevailing opinion floating around in scouting ranks seems to be that we'll be lucky to get one. Someone really needs to ask Kelley on the record what he saw that the others did not for the top three picks, at least.
- pdx2ord

He isn't going to answer that question anything but platitudes. Just look at the players taken. It is obvious to me it was a total reactionary draft to the last 3 Cup winners.

What usually happens when you chase the market, by the time you get there, its a whole different market.

A week ago, he was another Stan Fail, cause he couldn't stay healthy and already had too many concussions to ever be useful.

Now he will go down in Hawks Hockeybuzz lore, along with Leddy, TT and Danault

Lets be honest about at least this one point, Seth Jones is way, way better than Adam B. (who would still be due a new contract soon)

Is he enough better to justify the trade and subsequent extension, that's a different debate.
- vabeachbear

You mean 3 guys better than who they were traded to acquire? I will agree that Bovist injury history is a concern. However, if you look at the data and comps, Boqvist was moving into pretty good company. TBF, the comps are a bit all over the place due to sample size but the top comp was prime Erik Karlsson.

I wouldn't be so quick to just dismiss Boqvist is my point.

Great points Chuck my opinion see what d are good outlet passers and identity where to go with the puck under pressure. Hawks need speed and physicality on the forecheck and sustainable winning board battles. The good thing we saw that at times last season just consistent enough if those things can be improved that opens other things on the ice and relieve the pressure in the d zone.
- Scott1977

He did replace an aging dman with one entering his prime. He's hands down our best dman now which does have a ripple effect and 1 less spot for all those young guns competing for a roster spot. It'll be interesting to see where we go from here.

This is simply blind speculation by me, but I think Stan knows he needs some veteran presence in the lineup that plays high end hockey (I.e. not Keith, De Haan, or Z). We can all argue (and have) whether Jones brings that, but Stan identified him as that player. The Hawks have 8793 “puck movers” on the back end and not all of them were ever going to be on the team together. I don’t love the two 1sts, and don’t love the contract (especially the length), but it’s apparently the cost of doing business.

If I had to guess, Stan will be trying to trade some more to get some impact forwards, but who knows how that will go.

This roster will continue to change for the next year or so (IMO) until they can pinpoint who the actual players are.

I’ll be watching intently to see which young players can actually step up and hopefully they start to play more as a team.
- Chunk

Makes a lot of sense to me.

You mean 3 guys better than who they were traded to acquire? I will agree that Bovist injury history is a concern. However, if you look at the data and comps, Boqvist was moving into pretty good company. TBF, the comps are a bit all over the place due to sample size but the top comp was prime Erik Karlsson.

I wouldn't be so quick to just dismiss Boqvist is my point.
- Elbows15[/quote]

I still think he's going to be really really good, i hate Bowman traded him

You sure complain a lot
- rwilliams88

Tough.