i will say this. i'm being told the flyers are much more willing to let g walk than to lose coots. take that for what it is, just rumblings but that's the info i am going by.

Didn't you know 30 is when players all of a sudden are incapable of being good hockey players anymore?
- Richieattack18

Oh you again.

No one said players can’t be good or useful at 30. But you don’t give huge money to them unless they are they elite of the elite


Oh wait. Sharks gave that big term/big$ to karlsson that’s right. How’s that working out? You want that?

Exactly

i will say this. i'm being told the flyers are much more willing to let g walk than to lose coots. take that for what it is, just rumblings but that's the info i am going by.
- black_francis

love info

It's quite possible that he would take that in exchange for the security of 8 years. However I don't see him as a player that would command an 8 year deal and I don't see the Flyers being willing to sign him for 8 years.
- MJL

I disagree. Chuck signed suter and parise. If they found a bruising all around hard to find rhd I don’t see why they wouldn’t. If the deal is only for 5 or less years. Then yeah I can see around 7. Not many contenders have that open in the flat cap. Why 8 at 50 mil gets it done.

interesting article on Risto
https://hwhockey.net/defe...en-against-the-analytics/

No they didn't do the exact same thing to get Niskanen. They traded Radko Gudas for Niskanen.
- MJL

Two years ago, the Flyers gave up assets during the offseason to specifically acquire two right handed defensemen to play in the top 4.

One day, you'll learn to actually read and have a conversation instead of trying to turn everything into a debate.

I disagree. Chuck signed suter and parise. If they found a bruising all around hard to find rhd I don’t see why they wouldn’t. If the deal is only for 5 or less years. Then yeah I can see around 7. Not many contenders have that open in the flat cap. Why 8 at 50 mil gets it done.
- Peter Richards

Suter and Parise were players on a much higher level than Ristolainen will ever be. The Flyers won't offer him 8 years in my opinion.

Two years ago, the Flyers gave up assets during the offseason to specifically acquire two right handed defensemen to play in the top 4.

One day, you'll learn to actually read and have a conversation instead of trying to turn everything into a debate.
- mochoson

LOL. If you consider giving up an older player in Gudas for Niskanen as the same thing as what the Flyers did to acquire Ristolainen then the problem isn't my ability to read. I'll echo the same as what you told me. In your time away, nothing has changed.

Lets make a wager, your account vs. mine. He signs for less than 7 million you delete your account More than 7 I delete mine.
- hello it's me 2050

hahahahahahahahah
this is your 5th account

interesting article on Risto
https://hwhockey.net/defe...en-against-the-analytics/
- bradster

For the most part a pretty good article. Thanks for posting.

LOL. If you consider giving up an older player in Gudas for Niskanen as the same thing as what the Flyers did to acquire Ristolainen then the problem isn't my ability to read. I'll echo the same as what you told me. In your time away, nothing has changed.
- MJL

Radko Gudas was 28 turning 29 when we traded him. Ristolainen will be 27 when the season starts.

Again, at no point did I specifically compare the two things you're comparing. Again, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Two summers ago, the Flyers specifically traded away assets to acquire Braun and Niskanen. Both of those players are right handed. The Flyers did the same exact thing this summer and made two separate trades to, again, acquire two right handed dmen to play in the top 4.

These are facts.

For the most part a pretty good article. Thanks for posting.
- MJL

or to sum it up, lets not freak out until we see him play. Stats dont tell everything....

or to sum it up, lets not freak out until we see him play. Stats dont tell everything....
- bradster

Timeline of actual events.

1. Trade
2. Freakout (WE ARE HERE)

3. Acceptance
4. First game

"Risto for Norris"

5. All Star Break

"We got a steal"

6. Week after trade deadline

"Oh no what happened"

7. Flyers make the playoffs

8. Flyers eliminated round 2

"Risto is over-rated; he's worth maybe 5mil"

9. *RISTO SIGNS 5 YEAR $33 MIL EXT

10. Re-acceptance

Hummm…you guys had a rough season, but before that your younger players made me think you would be on the upswing. Garland seems like a good piece to fit in and the money retained on OEL might make that work if a change of scenery does give him what he needed to re-establish himself. Timing is good I think, not too sure on cost there.
- NC Flyers Fan

JB gambling OEL finds his form. Garland will fit in nicely comes down to what contract gets signed. Hoping 4/4m.

Another waste of words by a bunch of NO NOTHING DRUNK GM'S. ARGUING OVER STUPID SH11T!!
PHUUUCCK I HATE SUMMER!!!

The fact that Ristolainen is not cost controlled and locked up is a negative to the deal, not a positive. They gave up a 1st and a 2nd for a player that could walk. That player also holds all the leverage in negotiation. You don't pay that price to "try out" a player.
- MJL

If he's that good and won't sign a reasonable extension, then he'll bring back plenty in trade.
Much better than being committed to him for years to come at 5.6 as a minus player. That was ghost.

Radko Gudas was 28 turning 29 when we traded him. Ristolainen will be 27 when the season starts.

Again, at no point did I specifically compare the two things you're comparing. Again, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Two summers ago, the Flyers specifically traded away assets to acquire Braun and Niskanen. Both of those players are right handed. The Flyers did the same exact thing this summer and made two separate trades to, again, acquire two right handed dmen to play in the top 4.

These are facts.
- mochoson

Didn’t they retain money too?

Suter and Parise were players on a much higher level than Ristolainen will ever be. The Flyers won't offer him 8 years in my opinion.
- MJL

That’s irrelevant.

Didn’t they retain money too?
- Peter Richards

We retained 30% of Gudas' cap hit. Cap space was the entire purpose of the trade for the Capitals where as the Flyers actually got an upgrade.

Deals aren't always black and white. You lose value with some moves and gain value in others.

The Tampa Bay Lighting gave up a 1st round pick for Barclay Goodrow. They traded him for a 7th. They won two cups in between, so who cares?

Timeline of actual events.

1. Trade
2. Freakout (WE ARE HERE)

3. Acceptance
4. First game

"Risto for Norris"

5. All Star Break

"We got a steal"

6. Week after trade deadline

"Oh no what happened"

7. Flyers make the playoffs

8. Flyers eliminated round 2

"Risto is over-rated; he's worth maybe 5mil"

9. *RISTO SIGNS 5 YEAR $33 MIL EXT

10. Re-acceptance
- mochoson

Sounds about right. People spend more time worrying about the Flyers finances than I have ever spent thinking about my own.

or to sum it up, lets not freak out until we see him play. Stats dont tell everything....
- bradster

This. How many guys hated the Pitlick, Braun and Nisky moves before the 19-20 season? All 3 were fantastic fits eventually. I think Chuck and Co have a good read on this team. Especially when you hear Chuck say he’s had interest in Risto and Ellis for years. These weren’t impulse trades, our management identified both d men to help us now and near future. Minus the Gus signing, Chuck has done nothing but good moves in my opinion. The jury is still out for these offseason moves obviously, but I’m very excited to see our on-ice product after these big trades. I have more confidence in Chuck than most probably.

Sounds about right. People spend more time worrying about the Flyers finances than I have ever spent thinking about my own.
- Dkos

This is hilarious

Analytics are nothing more than a tool to measure how human beings perform. While useful, they are not the end “all be all”. Yes, it seems CF overpaid for Risto. However, the fact that many experienced and qualified hockey people (who’s livelihoods depend on their hockey decisions) highly value this player as well is telling. Chemistry, opportunity, position, usage, coaching, training, all have an impact. Perhaps some of the value in this trade is how it will impact Hart, knowing that people will pay a hefty price setting up shop on his crease now, as just one example. As the dust from this weekend settles and initial reactions (exacerbated by the excitement of the first round draft expectations), I find myself warming up to the overall picture.

Out were underachieving players with potential like NoPa and Meyers, players who lost the confidence of coaches and fans alike (see Ghost), and a core player who put up points but was seen by many fans as a guy who didn’t compete hard all the time in Jake. What was brought in are 2 RH defenseman who play a tough brand of hockey. Ellis is skill and a style bigger than his size, Risto a smooth skater who makes opponents pay a price in his zone and can add some second level offense, and Atkinson who is a skilled Swiss Army knife, can do it all well, and never takes a shift off. Yes we gave up potential in the 13th pick who is a man who’s future is purely speculative and years down the road. Certainly seems we are going to be much more fun to watch next year and harder the play against. And if these moves help our franchise goalie rebound from a horrible year, no analytics can measure the positive psychological impact there.
- mikeyo27

My God, so we’ll said. Cheers.

Radko Gudas was 28 turning 29 when we traded him. Ristolainen will be 27 when the season starts.

Again, at no point did I specifically compare the two things you're comparing. Again, you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Two summers ago, the Flyers specifically traded away assets to acquire Braun and Niskanen. Both of those players are right handed. The Flyers did the same exact thing this summer and made two separate trades to, again, acquire two right handed dmen to play in the top 4.

These are facts.
- mochoson

Here is exactly what you said

"Two years ago, we did this same exact thing but got Niskanen and Braun"

Trading an older player in exchange for another older player is not the same thing as trading a 1st, 2nd and an NHL asset for a player. That's the facts. If you think it is the same thing then you're simply wrong.

If he's that good and won't sign a reasonable extension, then he'll bring back plenty in trade.
Much better than being committed to him for years to come at 5.6 as a minus player. That was ghost.
- therabbi

Would the Flyers if in a strong playoff spot trade a top 4 defenseman at the trade deadline?