hes just bitter because he doesnt like trading draft picks so he will always be biased that way
- bradster

You are not correct. This is another example of how you're repeatedly inaccurate in applying any position to me. Get it right.

You are not correct. This is another example of how you're repeatedly inaccurate in applying any position to me.
- MJL

your previous post pretty much proves it, mentioned the picks for ghost also in that one

I'm not okay for giving up a first, a second and an NHL player for a player that doesn't work out. As well as moving assets with Gostisbehere to be able to do it. If that happens, I would can Fletcher.
- MJL

We will have to agree to disagree. I do see the Risto move as a swing-for-the-fence type, but it wasn’t his only or biggest move.

your previous post pretty much proves it, mentioned the picks for ghost also in that one
- bradster

Again, incorrect. All my previous post proves is that I would be very unhappy with giving up high draft picks for a one year rental for a player who walks. I'm on the record numerous times advocating for acquiring high level players that would require giving up draft picks such as Seth Jones. Get it right.

You are not correct. This is another example of how you're repeatedly inaccurate in applying any position to me. Get it right.
- MJL

not sure why you dont just own it, say ya i favor picks. Theres nothing wrong with that if its what you believe in.

I think picks are a gamble, i like proven talent. But if it was a top pick, i like top picks, and like the cap numbers that come with picks if they are awesome before they start rolling in the $$
Stand up for what you believe in.

Yeah he was making comments about where I moved from and where I was living in this thread. Not sure what the point was…
- black_francis

Because PT is a leftist freak. Exposing you and doxing you is just a cost of standing with his cause. The worst part of this is that he's masquerading as a "professor" at a college and is actively involved in indoctrinating your kids.

But, whatever. I'm pleased with CFs moves so far.

LOL, it doesn't? That position needs to be rethought. It's not accurate.
- MJL

I ultimately think he'll be resigned for around 6m (using Esa Lindell as a comp) and will only receive a slight bump in pay but no, the Flyers don't HAVE to resign him just because they gave up picks to get him.

They can recoup that value if him playing here doesn't work. But they're absolutely not "strong armed" into keeping him in anyway.

not sure why you dont just own it, say ya i favor picks. Theres nothing wrong with that if its what you believe in.

I think picks are a gamble, i like proven talent. But if it was a top pick, i like top picks, and like the cap numbers that come with picks if they are awesome before they start rolling in the $$
Stand up for what you believe in.
- bradster

Not sure why you can't stick to debating or disagreeing with a position rather than erroneously applying a position to me. You've got it wrong.

I ultimately think he'll be resigned for around 6m (using Esa Lindell as a comp) and will only receive a slight bump in pay but no, the Flyers don't HAVE to resign him just because they gave up picks to get him.

They can recoup that value if him playing here doesn't work. But they're absolutely not "strong armed" into keeping him in anyway.
- mochoson

You've used a bad comp. Lindell did not have UFA leverage when he re-signed.

Not sure why you can't stick to debating or disagreeing with a position rather than erroneously applying a position to me. You've got it wrong.
- MJL

okey dokey

Not sure why you can't stick to debating or disagreeing with a position rather than erroneously applying a position to me. You've got it wrong.
- MJL

get laid

Late to the party…

How do you Flyer fans feel about the cost of all the picks/players going out for Risto & Ellis?

Personally I like both D a lot.

You've used a bad comp. Lindell did not have UFA leverage when he re-signed.
- MJL

For the role they fill in a lineup it's a perfect comparable.

UFA leverage is exactly why the Flyers don't HAVE to resign Risto if they don't want, BTW. There's a litany of factors to consider.

Does he want to even sign an extension here? Or does he want to just play as best he can to try and hit free agency with the most bargaining power? What if playing with the Flyers this season helps him set a new career high in points?

He's absolutely worth a 1st and 2nd round pick even if it's just for next season and a playoff run. We slightly overpaid for the EXACT player we needed. I have zero issues with it and I'm someone who hates trading draft picks like candy.

Late to the party…

How do you Flyer fans feel about the cost of all the picks/players going out for Risto & Ellis?

Personally I like both D a lot.
- Nighthawk

I was comfortable with Ellis and the cost.

If Risto works out, I will try hard to forget about the cost.

Late to the party…

How do you Flyer fans feel about the cost of all the picks/players going out for Risto & Ellis?

Personally I like both D a lot.
- Nighthawk

Patrick had little value. The fact that he made up the difference between Myers and Ellis is fine by me. Huge upgrade.

Risto probably worth a 1st and a 3rd. Slight overpayment for a perfect fit. Exactly the kind of player we need.

Two years ago, we did this same exact thing but got Niskanen and Braun. I'd much rather be giving up assets to get players like Ellis and Risto.

I was comfortable with Ellis and the cost.

If Risto works out, I will try hard to forget about the cost.
- NC Flyers Fan

Ok thx for the reply👍

Now what about Canucks for OEL & Garland trade & cost & timing?

For the role they fill in a lineup it's a perfect comparable.

UFA leverage is exactly why the Flyers don't HAVE to resign Risto if they don't want, BTW. There's a litany of factors to consider.

Does he want to even sign an extension here? Or does he want to just play as best he can to try and hit free agency with the most bargaining power? What if playing with the Flyers this season helps him set a new career high in points?

He's absolutely worth a 1st and 2nd round pick even if it's just for next season and a playoff run. We slightly overpaid for the EXACT player we needed. I have zero issues with it and I'm someone who hates trading draft picks like candy.
- mochoson

Lindell did not have UFA leverage. He was an RFA and could not walk when he was resigned. Your comment that UFA leverage is why they don't have to resign him is non sensical. The odds of the Flyers being a contender to the point where they should be giving up 1st and 2nd round picks as well as what they had to give up to create the cap space are very low. The Flyers have put themselves in a bad contract negotiating position and it is a factor in looking at the trade. Ristolainen is not close to being a player worth that for one year, nor are the Flyers in that position as a team.

Lindell did not have UFA leverage. He was an RFA and could not walk when he was resigned. Your comment that UFA leverage is why they don't have to resign him is non sensical. The odds of the Flyers being a contender to the point where they should be giving up 1st and 2nd round picks as well as what they had to give up to create the cap space are very low. The Flyers have put themselves in a bad contract negotiating position and it is a factor in looking at the trade. Ristolainen is not close to being a player worth that for one year, nor are the Flyers in that position as a team.
- MJL

I didn't post on this forum for 6 years and you haven't changed a bit

Good for you.

He makes 5.4 now. If he has a good season, why would he sign for that with UFA leverage. More like 7M a year or in that range. Now we never know when a player will take less to stay in a situation that he likes but that doesn't happen often.
- MJL

Again all ifs. Say what you say is true. Comes in plays well and likes it here. 8 years 50 mil doesn’t get it done? Remember he’s been in a crap organization.

Patrick had little value. The fact that he made up the difference between Myers and Ellis is fine by me. Huge upgrade.

Risto probably worth a 1st and a 3rd. Slight overpayment for a perfect fit. Exactly the kind of player we need.

Two years ago, we did this same exact thing but got Niskanen and Braun. I'd much rather be giving up assets to get players like Ellis and Risto.
- mochoson

No they didn't do the exact same thing to get Niskanen. They traded Radko Gudas for Niskanen.

Again all ifs. Say what you say is true. Comes in plays well and likes it here. 8 years 50 mil doesn’t get it done? Remember he’s been in a crap organization.
- Peter Richards

It's quite possible that he would take that in exchange for the security of 8 years. However I don't see him as a player that would command an 8 year deal and I don't see the Flyers being willing to sign him for 8 years.

The flat cap doesn't matter to the higher free agents. That's not where the cuts are made. Ristolainen would be a RH skilled defenseman coming off a good year on the open market. 7 teams were reportedly after him. There is no way he's re-signing for 5.5M unless he has a disaster of a season hurting his value.
- MJL

Lets make a wager, your account vs. mine. He signs for less than 7 million you delete your account More than 7 I delete mine.

Lets make a wager, your account vs. mine. He signs for less than 7 million you delete your account More than 7 I delete mine.
- hello it's me 2050

arent you already using an alt account?

i know youve been saying it for a while,but im not on board that a 28,29 yr old is old. Like i said before mckinnon will be 28 when he is a FA, is that too old for us to try for him?
- bradster

No because Big Mac is an elite top 5 player in the league. That’s a big difference. You build around a Big Mac.

Ok thx for the reply👍

Now what about Canucks for OEL & Garland trade & cost & timing?
- Nighthawk

Hummm…you guys had a rough season, but before that your younger players made me think you would be on the upswing. Garland seems like a good piece to fit in and the money retained on OEL might make that work if a change of scenery does give him what he needed to re-establish himself. Timing is good I think, not too sure on cost there.