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Forums :: Blog World :: Carol Schram: Canucks trade for Ekman-Larsson & Garland draft Klimovich in Round 2
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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 24 @ 4:39 PM ET
The WHL & Q are tough to gauge & the OHL has many more to pick from but seem to have inflated stats.
- Nighthawk

Whl is the most projectable.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:39 PM ET
God this comment section fills up fast.

I just wanna know what the consensus is regarding the trade with all you super fans.

Personally I like it. Think The Hockey Guy is being a bit of a Debby downer.

- RonPielep

I saw the Hockey Guy & yes he was skeptical. I personally like the trade a lot & the ideas behind it. It was time for need & losing picks in this draft & next is ok.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:41 PM ET
Horvat and Schmidt for Eichel yes or no


Absolutely not for me

- Jkuzzi

In the wrong blog sonny. Lol

RF signing Landeskog?
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 24 @ 4:41 PM ET
How important is it to have right D? well he's a forward. These guys are idiots.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
Ron Frances: Seems like the players we wanted were picked just ahead of us.

If that isn't a hardy Welcome to Seattle then nothing is.

- VANTEL

I read it as GM’s were not going to do him any favours. Also he doesn't have the right chips to use. Hockey trades are more likely.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:45 PM ET
Trigger warning!

Drance broke down the trade into three pieces that make sense, agree or not, here’s the short version.

1. 9th pick in 2021 plus Roussel for Garland. Good trade, you make this deal all day long.

2. 2023 7th plus Beagle and Eriksson for OEL. Risky bet based on play and money remaining. Basically trading one year of bad money for 6 years of bad money.

3. 2022 for 12.5% salary retention on OEL. Good value for what it is.

- 1970vintage

My summary…

Got a top 6 winger for need.
Risk/reward OEL bounces back at a more palatable contract.

Sped up the build 1 year & less cap for UFA mistakes.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
Well, the analytics community is going ape poop for who the canucks just picked. Hugo gabrielson apparently insane value at 169
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
How long before Francis gets fired?
- Bettmanhatesus

Well Bruckheimer and partners have shit loads of money so they could hire a new GM every month.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
How important is it to have right D? well he's a forward. These guys are idiots.
- A_SteamingLombardi

BPA in the first two rounds. They got a couple D later
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Jul 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
Oh Jim, you suck.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:47 PM ET
Wish they could have saved the picks until they saw what was available.
- manvanfan

Always that yes. Some deals are time sensitive & the reality.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 24 @ 4:48 PM ET
BPA in the first two rounds. They got a couple D later
- CanuckDon

huh
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:48 PM ET
Trigger warning!

Drance broke down the trade into three pieces that make sense, agree or not, here’s the short version.

1. 9th pick in 2021 plus Roussel for Garland. Good trade, you make this deal all day long.

2. 2023 7th plus Beagle and Eriksson for OEL. Risky bet based on play and money remaining. Basically trading one year of bad money for 6 years of bad money.

3. 2022 for 12.5% salary retention on OEL. Good value for what it is.

- 1970vintage



Good breakdown but the bold part is pure guess work. He's only 30, he could come in put up great numbers for 3-4 years. Just because he's had regression doesn't mean its 100% going to continue. He can bounce back. Just playing devils advocate.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 24 @ 4:49 PM ET
My summary…

Got a top 6 winger for need.
Risk/reward OEL bounces back at a more palatable contract.

Sped up the build 1 year & less cap for UFA mistakes.

- Nighthawk


Now they literally have to move Holtby or Schmidt just to complete the roster (with cheap pieces). Think they move Schmidt, hopefully for a 2022 first and a D prospect. That would be a big win.
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:51 PM ET
huh
- A_SteamingLombardi

I assumed you weren’t happy about our 2nd round pick? That’s how I interpreted your post
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:51 PM ET
Well, the analytics community is going ape poop for who the canucks just picked. Hugo gabrielson apparently insane value at 169
- Codes1087

Nice.

Going to my buds passing away gathering now. Gonna research all these late picks later.
1970vintage
Seattle Kraken
Location: BC
Joined: 11.11.2010

Jul 24 @ 4:52 PM ET
Good breakdown but the bold part is pure guess work. He's only 30, he could come in put up great numbers for 3-4 years. Just because he's had regression doesn't mean its 100% going to continue. He can bounce back. Just playing devils advocate.
- Brooks_Light


Yeah, he qualified part two with risk but acknowledged it could work out.

OEL doesn’t even have to “bounce back”, he just has to be Edleresque.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:52 PM ET
I saw the Hockey Guy & yes he was skeptical. I personally like the trade a lot & the ideas behind it. It was time for need & losing picks in this draft & next is ok.
- Nighthawk


Trash destinations like Edmonton need to overvalue draft picks. Whereas nice destinations like Van, can undervalue draft picks if they have cap space to sign UFAs.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:53 PM ET
I saw the Hockey Guy & yes he was skeptical. I personally like the trade a lot & the ideas behind it. It was time for need & losing picks in this draft & next is ok.
- Nighthawk


I think the noise about OELs decline and poor analytics is overblown but I guess we will know soon.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:53 PM ET
Well Bruckheimer and partners have shit loads of money so they could hire a new GM every month.
- A_SteamingLombardi

RF said no rush to contend & will be patient. D is solid but C’s like VGK know all to well are hard to get.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:55 PM ET
Now they literally have to move Holtby or Schmidt just to complete the roster (with cheap pieces). Think they move Schmidt, hopefully for a 2022 first and a D prospect. That would be a big win.
- 1970vintage

Play him ot trade him can work. Wait til the right deal comes which could be soon.
RonPielep
Location: "Welcome to HockeyBuzz. Come for the rumors. Stay for the idiots." - Feds91Stammer
Joined: 08.21.2014

Jul 24 @ 4:56 PM ET
Well, the analytics community is going ape poop for who the canucks just picked. Hugo gabrielson apparently insane value at 169
- Codes1087


Not bored of those spicy take seekers yet?

I like math and stats more than the normal human but that crowd is just sad.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:56 PM ET
Edler the next D coach.

Gotta go now bbl
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jul 24 @ 4:57 PM ET
I assumed you weren’t happy about our 2nd round pick? That’s how I interpreted your post
- CanuckDon

No I'm talking about these commentators. I don't know who we picked in the 2nd round.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jul 24 @ 4:58 PM ET
I think the noise about OELs decline and poor analytics is overblown but I guess we will know soon.
- RonPielep

He’s quality that got stale in Arizona. No where but up to go. I’m not worried & he is still top pairing D what we lacked big.
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