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From what I have found and read the kid can skate he has a very good shot and can score goals.
He has the skills to be a 1st line winger but he has to progress and work on his game to reach that ceiling.
For a second round pick what more can you ask for?
- bird_dog_pa

Stankoven, Raty or Chibrikov 😁

My issue is his pretty questionable hockey IQ. You can skate fast and shoot the puck all you want but if you can't think the game at that speed and put it all together, it's all for nothing. Like I said, he's a Flyers prospect now and I'll cheer for him.

My first thought was just the rival matchup, but specifically Risto. Knowing 1 Penguin fan already hates him gets me extra excited.
- Glak18

i hated him before. he will go out of his way for the big heavy hit. he never struck me as dirty in the tom wilson sense, but he isnt a saint. its just fun to hate those guys, especially when theyre on the rival team. its fun. the game needs that.

that being said, it will be fun watching the fan base's visceral polar response to him. he will be simultaneously among the most loved by the people who cheer when he makes a thunderous hit in the corner and hated by the people actually watching the rest of the game who realize that left him out of position yet again. hes a horse but if the plan is to put him with Provy and mush them for 23 minutes a night, theres going to be a night a week they are minus four. i think the best bet would be to try and limit his minutes and responsibilities and let his physical attributes try and shine through, but then again why would you move that kind of draft weight for someone you dont plan on showcasing.

Didn't Atkinson have a falling out with Torts a few years ago? I recall he was benched in a high profile playoff game.

Torts will have a field day with Jake.
- Robert's Plant

didnt torts leave?

its a great move for you guys. atkinson is one of the better guys at blending sandpaper and actual ability to play the game. sounds like he will bust his ass there. may not hit the point totals of jake, but will bring more energy, better two way play, and score more goals. getting out of jakes deal without sending any futures is amazing in and of itself.


- stayinthefnnet

On paper and if Atkinson can regain his goal scoring touch, I agree with you. However can't help but think that Atkinson seeming to be in decline as a player was a part of why Columbus made this deal. If he can score, this will be a good deal for the Flyers as they needed to tweak the playmaker/shooter mix.

I have not seen any from reporters, it is my own evaluation , opinion after researching Webers past stats and videos in which I believe he was 26-28 when he peaked

I believe the comparison was mentioned when he was drafted

the similarity in stats are uncanny, rh shot, goals, assists, points, pim, the only real difference is +-, I have accepted that as poor team play of the sabres vs the excellent play of Nashville during that time
- mydoglicks

Weird stats to compare for defencemen. Lol at pim in today's age.

I don't want to get sucked in today in a rabbit hole of absurdity, but if the effect of a team on a player were SO profound, then we would never be able to tell the worth of a player on a very good or very bad team. Kucherov/Hedman: are they really that good? Or is it the team effect? Is Jack Hughes underachieving? Or would he be Brendan Point in a good team?

Generally, speaking, there is certainly a correlation, maybe a 20% swing?. But Risto's stats are not ok but could be better. They are abysmally close to worst on a bad team. His stats as a vet player in the window you mention are so much worse than Rasmus Dahlin as a kid, or indeed of Shea Weber, that they are not even in the same hemisphere.

I've always appreciated his passion (when it's shown). Otherwise, the dude worked in the same place for 10 years and could not put this franchise even close to "over the hump".

I've worked at places for three years and got bored, or disinterested, or whatever. I would assume it applies the same for some of these guys. I hope Jake has impact in Columbus, but it was FAR past time to move on from him. Really excited for Atkinson to come here and pot some beauties.
- FloHaake

I'm looking forward to seeing Cam putting home a couple game winners myself.

Montreal selected ex-flyer Sami Kapanen's nephew Oliver in the second round.

I've always appreciated his passion (when it's shown). Otherwise, the dude worked in the same place for 10 years and could not put this franchise even close to "over the hump".

I've worked at places for three years and got bored, or disinterested, or whatever. I would assume it applies the same for some of these guys. I hope Jake has impact in Columbus, but it was FAR past time to move on from him. Really excited for Atkinson to come here and pot some beauties.
- FloHaake

Right on 👍

Weird stats to compare for defencemen. Lol at pim in today's age.

I don't want to get sucked in today in a rabbit hole of absurdity, but if the effect of a team on a player were SO profound, then we would never be able to tell the worth of a player on a very good or very bad team. Kucherov/Hedman: are they really that good? Or is it the team effect? Is Jack Hughes underachieving? Or would he be Brendan Point in a good team?

Generally, speaking, there is certainly a correlation, maybe a 20% swing?. But Risto's stats are not ok but could be better. They are abysmally close to worst on a bad team. His stats as a vet player in the window you mention are so much worse than Rasmus Dahlin as a kid, or indeed of Shea Weber, that they are not even in the same hemisphere.
- PT21

Actually it's not a rabbit hole of absurdity. Nor can you never help determine the worth of a player. That's the key. If you use analytics solely as your means for determining the worth of a player, then that's where you're going wrong. You simply can't put every player in one big pile and judge them by the same standard using analytics. The stats just aren't that good in the first place. All any analytic can tell you is what happens on the ice when that player is or isn't on the ice. The cause of why those numbers are the way they are, takes analysis. Each player needs to be looked at individually. Some players drive the bus and some sit in the seats. To completely discount the effect of any player's numbers of playing on a poor team is wrong. In the same way that some players are elevated by playing on a really good team with really good player. This is all pretty basic.

On paper and if Atkinson can regain his goal scoring touch, I agree with you. However can't help but think that Atkinson seeming to be in decline as a player was a part of why Columbus made this deal. If he can score, this will be a good deal for the Flyers as they needed to tweak the playmaker/shooter mix.
- MJL

Same can be said for jake.

Panthers gave their 1st and prospect for Reinhart, Panthers should be really good

Sign our RFAs, Reimer or Rittich, Wennberg and D (Osterle/Forbort) and take August off

Same can be said for jake.
- Peter Richards

I don't think Voracek has shown that he is in decline. He is still one of the better playmakers in the league. If Laine plays well and plays with Voracek. It would not surprise me to see Voracek among the league leaders in assists.

On paper and if Atkinson can regain his goal scoring touch, I agree with you. However can't help but think that Atkinson seeming to be in decline as a player was a part of why Columbus made this deal. If he can score, this will be a good deal for the Flyers as they needed to tweak the playmaker/shooter mix.
- MJL

i think the risk you speak of is legitimate, but largely covered via not kicking in any futures.

Why does this remind me of the Hartnell for Umberger trade?
- section32

Ugh all guys on here was in a good mood. Section 8 for that

Sam Carchidi
@BroadStBull
It's been a long time since I've seen someone as excited as Cam Atkinson to come to Philly. Besides his talent and gritty play, he will bring a refreshing attitude to the #Flyers.

Sounds good.
- Deasr1

Can't be! Nobody wants to be a Flyer. Someone must have paid him to wear the Gritty t shirt too

i think the risk you speak of is legitimate, but largely covered via not kicking in any futures.
- stayinthefnnet

Also that Atkinson is a better all around player and even if he only winds up scoring at the rate he ahs the last few years, he can help you in other ways. Voracek was basically just an offensive player who is really only effective when he has the puck.

Two idiots from the Athletic?…that went to journalism school…ok…lol…I like the player. Is he a stud? No. Is he a solid 2nd pair d…I think he will be. Time will tell. Sabres fans have a right to be pissed….I think Risto, Eichel and Reinhardt will all gave greater success after leaving Buffalo….it might not be the players….it might just be that poop show in Buffalo….we’ll see…I guess that’s all I got. If I hated the player I’d say so, but I like both guys Fletch has brought in so far. Please let’s not talk about Amac…they are totally different players, different skill set…different intangibles. If Risto plays that bad I will gladly admit I was wrong.

- landros 2

The only thing different about the career trajectory of the 2 guys who cover for the Athletic and guys like McKenzie, Dreger, Friedman, et al is that the former two are awfully young. They went to school while the others interned.

Weird stats to compare for defencemen. Lol at pim in today's age.

I don't want to get sucked in today in a rabbit hole of absurdity, but if the effect of a team on a player were SO profound, then we would never be able to tell the worth of a player on a very good or very bad team. Kucherov/Hedman: are they really that good? Or is it the team effect? Is Jack Hughes underachieving? Or would he be Brendan Point in a good team?

Generally, speaking, there is certainly a correlation, maybe a 20% swing?. But Risto's stats are not ok but could be better. They are abysmally close to worst on a bad team. His stats as a vet player in the window you mention are so much worse than Rasmus Dahlin as a kid, or indeed of Shea Weber, that they are not even in the same hemisphere.
- PT21

Same time frame 16/17 through 18/19

Ristolainen CF%Rel -2.90%


Provorov CF%Rel -1.70%

Also that Atkinson is a better all around player and even if he only winds up scoring at the rate he ahs the last few years, he can help you in other ways. Voracek was basically just an offensive player who is really only effective when he has the puck.
- MJL

exactly. i think cam is also just going to bring refreshing drive. ellis is a character guy too. Risto's shortcomings arent for lack of trying.

overall, i think this "culture change" youre looking for is definitely brewing. i dont think its necessary to move Giroux for this. he never struck me as part of the problem from a leadership perspective. i dont think the flyers are in the lightnings class (not that anyone is alleging that), but the team should be miles away from those listless streaks where it seemed everyone was going through the motions. call it a ploy just to get fans back in the seats or whatever, but management addressed several complaints the general consensus seemed to have. really, the only guy on everyones move list who is still there is JVR, and having JVR on the roster really isnt all that bad now that jakes gone.

never heard you say anything positive, you must be a blast at parties
- bradster

I am, or used to be. I am on probation for having a people over for Thanksgiving, 7 to be exact. I can not attend or throw a party until the CDC declares the pandemic over or 2024, whichever comes first

exactly. i think cam is also just going to bring refreshing drive. ellis is a character guy too. Risto's shortcomings arent for lack of trying.

overall, i think this "culture change" youre looking for is definitely brewing. i dont think its necessary to move Giroux for this. he never struck me as part of the problem from a leadership perspective. i dont think the flyers are in the lightnings class (not that anyone is alleging that), but the team should be miles away from those listless streaks where it seemed everyone was going through the motions. call it a ploy just to get fans back in the seats or whatever, but management addressed several complaints the general consensus seemed to have. really, the only guy on everyones move list who is still there is JVR, and having JVR on the roster really isnt all that bad now that jakes gone.
- stayinthefnnet

I never bought into the culture change idea. I think it was just about getting better. I think they're definitely better but they are also older and are now a cap team. So the question becomes how much better. Are they a contender now or on the path to becoming a contender? IF that turns out to be no, then they have put themselves in a very bad spot.

When I initially read the details of the Risto trade, my first thought was: “that seems like a lot of picks for BUF to sacrifice. But at least they’re out from under that terrible contract”

Then I saw that the Flyers had (inexplicably) given away actual assets for him. I’m baffled. Risto has negative value. He’s truly awful at hockey.

You guys must be livid right now. Can’t say I blame you

When I initially read the details of the Risto trade, my first thought was: “that seems like a lot of picks for BUF to sacrifice. But at least they’re out from under that terrible contract”

Then I saw that the Flyers had (inexplicably) given away actual assets for him. I’m baffled. Risto has negative value. He’s truly awful at hockey.

You guys must be livid right now. Can’t say I blame you
- AxlRose91

nope -- group think is it was a great trade and you are an awful person for not seeing it that way