At this point its probably safe to say JVR an d Voracek are staying. Unless there is some big trade with a lot of moving pieces I dont see them moving.

Maybe Seattle strikes out on getting GMs to pay them to take salary and strike out of FA. Francis might be more open to taking JVR in a hockey deal rather than cap dump.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

There will be plenty of striking out. You won't have to look to Seattle to find it.

Bob Barker.
- Glak18

Would you classify him as a more offensive or defensive prospect? Why would Dallas look to move him?

Lucius missed a lot of time this season with a knee injury. Missed the World Under 18 Tournament as well. Lacks pace in his game and not active at all defensively. Has skating issues. He does have some slick hands though and a nice shot.
- dubc55

No thanks. This team badly needs some guys with strong, fast skating attributes. And yeah, a defensive game is a must in the current NHL

Haven't read up on, or done any draft related research this year. Are there any hulking dman projects that can't play a lick available?

Please spay or neuter your pets.
- Scoob

He is very physical and knows how to move it.

It is real easy to give the traits. Throw out some names.
- hello it's me 2050

I did.


Dougie hamilton, option probably past with Ellis move
Ryan Murray
Zach Bogosian
Josh Manson

Again everything depends on costs.

No thanks. This team badly needs some guys with strong, fast skating attributes. And yeah, a defensive game is a must in the current NHL
- hereticpride

Also the player drafted won't be able to use those skating attributes for the team this year and probably not next either.

This is what frustrates me about the Flyers, what is their identity? The best answer I can come up with is...safe.

I did.


Dougie hamilton, option probably past with Ellis move
Ryan Murray
Zach Bogosian
Josh Manson

Again everything depends on costs.
- J35Bacher

Not you, go back reread.

How many assets will cf give away in the next seven days?
- corduroy

hopefully enough to make us a much better team

hopefully enough to make us a much better team
- bradster

2 years away. Need hoard those picks and be the cap cup champ.

2 years away. Need hoard those picks and be the cap cup champ.
- hello it's me 2050

i want to get better now, and enjoy watching the flers again

i want to get better now, and enjoy watching the flers again
- bradster

No way man. Patience. This is only year 7 of the 10 year plan.

I'll take a shot.

Big game: Hamilton, he would only cost money but that might have past with Ellis move.
- J35Bacher

Keep in mind that Hamilton is like a big-ass, more consistent version of Ghost. He's not gonna shut anybody down, he's probably not gonna pair well w/ Sanheim. And he's gonna kick Ellis or Provorov off the PP, because that's where he's most rockin'.

To be fair, and I almost never agree with MJL, why does he have to offer a suggestion like he actually has a say in the move?

The Flyers should get "Player X" for "Blah Blah"...ok. Why does the other team want to take it, just because it's hypothetical? No matter what it really doesn't matter because it's stupid.

Flyers should trade Giroux for 8 1st round picks!! Ok and someone says that's stupid because no team would pay that. Ok trade Giroux for a 6th round pick! Ok and someone says that's stupid because that's not enough. Everything in between is still stupid because both parties, that are not making the suggestion, have to agree whether someone likes it or not.
- Glak18

Because he will pick apart any player someone puts out there or plan. Even if it jives with “traits” he states. It’s the mjl way.

Again he will never lay a plan out

No way man. Patience. This is only year 7 of the 10 year plan.
- hello it's me 2050

It’s a 12 year plan now. Philly wasted the last 2 years of the rebuild. They were on puase.

Good point. I didn't do the math as you did, I just used my eyes that night and assumed they had a cap minimum mandate.


- Scoob

He didn't do the math either. It's a ridiculous premise that it was done with a percentage of salary.

Risto is the perfect 3/4 dman we need

He is very physical and knows how to move it.
- Glak18

Bruin Killer

Keep in mind that Hamilton is like a big-ass, more consistent version of Ghost. He's not gonna shut anybody down, he's probably not gonna pair well w/ Sanheim. And he's gonna kick Ellis or Provorov off the PP, because that's where he's most rockin'.
- Tomahawk

Hamilton is a superior in zone defender as well as better offensively and overall. Regardless it's a non starter with the acquisition of Ellis.

Because he will pick apart any player someone puts out there or plan. Even if it jives with “traits” he states. It’s the mjl way.

Again he will never lay a plan out
- Stayin alive

ive asked him several times when he poo pood the ellis trade what he wouldve changed on it, giving different players, maybe a different D man. And he wouldnt answer. HE is quick to criticize your thoughts, but wont offer up his own. He admitted our biggest need was a #1RHD and thats what we got, and he still complained about it.

Good point. I didn't do the math as you did, I just used my eyes that night and assumed they had a cap minimum mandate.



Ek says they're making noise about Eichel. My gut says Eichel would not view that positively. He strikes me as Hall 2.0 - not happy and fully engaged unless he's on what he considers a good team.
- Scoob

Eh, didn't do any math either, just eyeballing. But just fix a position, look at the list of available players for that position, then look at contracts.

(For this exercise to be valid, assume that a position for Kraken will be filled by a player playing same position in old team no more than 2 depth lines down (count AHL/prospect) as "fifth line" for this purpose))

For eg: look at candidates for 1c: Johansen, Duchene, Kerfoot, Johnson, Gourde, Domi...

Throw away all the contracts that are large: duchene, johansen. Kerfoot gets crowded out by McCann (best pick from same team in another position). Too many questions about Domi. Johnson was 4c in TB. That leaves... Gourde.

What I am saying is this essentially: look at position. Throw away the high end earners for position irrespective of talent. Now just pick BPA for the position, subject to constraints of not picking more than 1 player from any team, and subject to not overcrowding the same position with too many picks while neglecting others.

Seems like you largely come up with what the Kraken did.

Hamilton is a superior in zone defender as well as better offensively and overall. Regardless it's a non starter with the acquisition of Ellis.
- MJL

Chuck tell you this or just your opinion?

ive asked him several times when he poo pood the ellis trade what he wouldve changed on it, giving different players, maybe a different D man. And he wouldnt answer. HE is quick to criticize your thoughts, but wont offer up his own. He admitted our biggest need was a #1RHD and thats what we got, and he still complained about it.
- bradster

He has ALWAYS been that way, the proverbial fence rider, but in this case providing a name doesn't really change anything.

Fletcher might do this:

Fletcher trades the 13th pick for a later 1st rounder this year and a 2nd round pick in next years or this years draft.

This way he gets a 2nd he lost in the Ghost trade back.
Also, the players available around 13 are not standing out much more than the players available around 15-20 Esp. with the limited Covid season.

Similar to what Fletcher did in the 2019 Draft.

Hamilton is a superior in zone defender as well as better offensively and overall. Regardless it's a non starter with the acquisition of Ellis.
- MJL

Would love to see them move up for one of these D men but I’m not sure how they do it without moving a future 1st. Frost, York, Foerster untouchables obviously
- hereticpride



Just going to get a little creative here. If we include Sanheim in that trade along with our 1st this year, we can save around 4mil with Sanheim gone. Use that money plus our other cap space from the Ghost trade towards another high end Dman. A lot would be riding on York being successful. Then we plug in a number 5 or 6 defender for cheap or something like that.

What's Hamilton going to demand cap wise?

So we get another good Dman for right now and a future top prospect on D.