A lot of people are expecting this big trade to lose a contract, I personally don't see it happening and have no expectation for it. I think the "biggest changes" have been made already with re-signings and a goaltender being left to be done.
- Glak18

I agree completely.

I just hope Coutourier gives us a home team discount.

OR if we are a mess again? Next off-season, Fire Fletcher, let Coutourier walk (ugh), trade Ellis and do the TRUE rebuild we have always needed leading up to the 2023 draft.

This team is such a tweener mess.

They are now too invested to win now, so we might as well go balls to the wall.

Get Tarasenko for Voracek, hope Frost is ok, and Foerster can be our much needed sniper.

THAT is all we can do.

I really just hate this franchise right now.
- DrMidnite

Wait you think Foerster is going to jump into the NHL now and become the sniper the Flyers need?

This team is such a tweener mess.

They are now too invested to win now, so we might as well go balls to the wall.

Get Tarasenko for Voracek, hope Frost is ok, and Foerster can be our much needed sniper.

THAT is all we can do.

I really just hate this franchise right now.
- DrMidnite

you dont like them trying to win now? Prefer the buffalo way? Been rebuilding for 7 years at least and apparently starting a rebuild over again because that didnt work. Ask Edmonton, rebuilds arent easy either .Gotta make sure you hit on picks, and have the right mix of players also. EAsier said than done.

Wait you think Foerster is going to jump into the NHL now and become the sniper the Flyers need?
- Glak18

No, but we have no choice. Right?

you dont like them trying to win now? Prefer the buffalo way? Been rebuilding for 7 years at least and apparently starting a rebuild over again because that didnt work. Ask Edmonton, rebuilds arent easy either .Gotta make sure you hit on picks, and have the right mix of players also. EAsier said than done.
- bradster

How are we going to make room for Coutourier next year? We will NEED to have young guys make the jump.

We don't need to be Buffalo, but I never agreed with Hextalls pseudo-rebuild while trying to be competitive.

Just bite the bullet. Admit your mistake and trade Ellis, (hopefully sign & trade Coutourier). Move Jake now, then BOOM.

Ideally a bad team for a year or 2 in time for the LOADED 2023 draft.

Not necessarily Buffalo with better management.

No, but we have no choice. Right?
- DrMidnite

So forcing a kid into the lineup and expecting him to light it up is the only choice? I thought you said you were tired of the hot mess that is the Flyers because doing that is making it a whole lot worse.

you dont like them trying to win now? Prefer the buffalo way? Been rebuilding for 7 years at least and apparently starting a rebuild over again because that didnt work. Ask Edmonton, rebuilds arent easy either .Gotta make sure you hit on picks, and have the right mix of players also. EAsier said than done.
- bradster

This….

With so many teams in the league now it’s tough to win the cup. When the Flyer were “always” going for it they came close several times and for the most part were very competitive and most of all played a physical, ENTERTAINING brand of hockey. I’ll take that approach over the BS soft rebuild, no identity, passive garbage. The recent drafts for the Flyers can be viewed as average at best. Yes they’ve kept all their prospects but at what cost? 7 years of mediocracy.

So forcing a kid into the lineup and expecting him to light it up is the only choice? I thought you said you were tired of the hot mess that is the Flyers because doing that is making it a whole lot worse.
- Glak18

No one said he has to light it up, but he should have a role on this team.

Again, what choice do we have?

And btw, you are assuming he will fail. Maybe he scores 20 goals and is that much better in 2023.

How are we going to make room for Coutourier next year? We will NEED to have young guys make the jump.

We don't need to be Buffalo, but I never agreed with Hextalls pseudo-rebuild while trying to be competitive.

Just bite the bullet. Admit your mistake and trade Ellis, (hopefully sign & trade Coutourier). Move Jake now, then BOOM.

Ideally a bad team for a year or 2 in time for the LOADED 2023 draft.

Not necessarily Buffalo with better management.
- DrMidnite

Again everything you are saying you are tired of you keep suggesting to make it even worse and thinking it will guarantee it will be better just because. It's almost like you don't really know what you want.

This….

With so many teams in the league now it’s tough to win the cup. When the Flyer were “always” going for it they came close several times and for the most part were very competitive and most of all played a physical, ENTERTAINING brand of hockey. I’ll take that approach over the BS soft rebuild, no identity, passive garbage. The recent drafts for the Flyers can be viewed as average at best. Yes they’ve kept all their prospects but at what cost? 7 years of mediocracy.
- landros 2

To be clear. I hate the soft re-build.

We SHOULD have done the total rebuild at the BEGINNiNG of Hextalls tenure.

Now? We are this mess where its either, ONCE AGAIN....

A hard reboot, soft reboot, or try to win.

I have no faith this team will win a damn thing. SO.

What alternative do YOU want? Another softy? Or year it down?

Again everything you are saying you are tired of you keep suggesting to make it even worse and thinking it will guarantee it will be better just because. It's almost like you don't really know what you want.
- Glak18

To be clear, I am equivocating between what I think should happen and what I think will happen.

I want to be awful again and start from there.

But I do realize there's no chance management will allow that to happen.

Some interesting names left, some of them:

Pinelli (C)
Robertsson (RW)
Chayka (LHD)
Chibrikov (RW)
Stankoven (C/W)
Raty (C)
Morrow (RHD)

The bolded ones would be very interesting to take a FLYER on (pun intended).
- Glak18

I'd be pretty happy if we landed any of those three you have listed in bold.

Habs on immediate damage control after their pick
- hereticpride

i thought for sure he was moving Brink. Maybe his stock has fallen and the value isnt there anymore. Big year for him this year
- bradster

The one thing that CF and his scouts have shown so far is that they are finding good players in the later rounds of the draft. I am confident CF will pick a few good prospects today. Not sure what the internal opinion is on Brink, but I know they liked him a lot when he was drafted. I was not high on him because he was the worst skater I have ever seen play in the WJCs. We will see how he develops.

No one said he has to light it up, but he should have a role on this team.

Again, what choice do we have?

And btw, you are assuming he will fail. Maybe he scores 20 goals and is that much better in 2023.
- DrMidnite

The only role that would benefit him to succeed would be playing in the top 6, is he replacing Konecny (who has 3 24 goal seasons) or Farabee (has 1 20 goal season)? He's not going to get much PP time so that doesn't help him. Maybe he gets thrown on the 3rd line, but then his role is to work on his all-around game is the main focus. The 4th line would just be silly since he would have a faster track to developing with more time in either the O or A.

To be clear. I hate the soft re-build.

We SHOULD have done the total rebuild at the BEGINNiNG of Hextalls tenure.

Now? We are this mess where its either, ONCE AGAIN....

A hard reboot, soft reboot, or try to win.

I have no faith this team will win a damn thing. SO.

What alternative do YOU want? Another softy? Or year it down?
- DrMidnite

The only issue I have with this "complete rebuild" people, not just you, keep suggesting is to do that they have to trade a lot of high salary that WILL end up being like the Ghost trade.

If people are willing to accept that it will cost the Flyers the future to tear down the team then fine, but what we see every day is people want their cake and eat too.

A lot of people are expecting this big trade to lose a contract, I personally don't see it happening and have no expectation for it. I think the "biggest changes" have been made already with re-signings and a goaltender being left to be done.
- Glak18

I disagree and this is why. The Flyers have $10M in cap space right now. Hart is going to get a 2 or 3 year deal in the $3M range. Sanheim will get a deal, maybe even a 1 year deal in the $4M range, and then you need to sign a backup goalie in the $3M range. So that is your cap space. Not enough changes IMO to compete next season. Fletcher stated he would like to get depth on D (This means sign Morin) and get some PK help at forward. This will cost another $4-5M, where is this cap space coming from? To me the only way is to make another hockey trade. The Flyers have informed Jake they want to move on from him already, and Jake has asked for a trade, so at this point I don't see how you can move on with Jake on this roster.

I agree completely.

I just hope Coutourier gives us a home team discount.

OR if we are a mess again? Next off-season, Fire Fletcher, let Coutourier walk (ugh), trade Ellis and do the TRUE rebuild we have always needed leading up to the 2023 draft.
- DrMidnite

There’s no chance. He’s been underpaid for a lot of years now. Everyone knows it.

I agree completely.

I just hope Coutourier gives us a home team discount.

OR if we are a mess again? Next off-season, Fire Fletcher, let Coutourier walk (ugh), trade Ellis and do the TRUE rebuild we have always needed leading up to the 2023 draft.
- DrMidnite

Everyone appears to agree that Patrice Bergeron is a good comparison for Couturier. Well Bergeron makes $6.8M per so is it feasible Couturier takes $7M per and stays with the Flyers? I honestly don't know how the Bruins do it, not one of their top players make more than Bergeron on the team! Marchand, Pastrnak, McAvoy, and now Hall all make under $7M. Some Flyer players must want to stay here for less money, at least that is the hope.

Everyone appears to agree that Patrice Bergeron is a good comparison for Couturier. Well Bergeron makes $6.8M per so is it feasible Couturier takes $7M per and stays with the Flyers? I honestly don't know how the Bruins do it, not one of their top players make more than Bergeron on the team! Marchand, Pastrnak, McAvoy, and now Hall all make under $7M. Some Flyer players must want to stay here for less money, at least that is the hope.
- jd250

Bergeron signed that deal like 7 years ago dude. Cmon.

Best group of defensive pairs they put out since 2010.
- peesinwind

Yes!

Finally with some sense. Draft pics aren’t as valuable as everyone is making them out to be. 1st rounders seem to bring NHL regulars, but that’s it. Not stars. And you can still get a NHL regular all the way to undrafted players, and still find some stars all the way through the draft.

Everyone needs to focus on the fact: this team is better. Stop complaining about every move. This Risto move was a heavy price but he is EXACTLY the kind of player they needed. Physical. Mean.

If the flyers get to 3rd round next year, or gasp, win…was this a bad move?!

I disagree and this is why. The Flyers have $10M in cap space right now. Hart is going to get a 2 or 3 year deal in the $3M range. Sanheim will get a deal, maybe even a 1 year deal in the $4M range, and then you need to sign a backup goalie in the $3M range. So that is your cap space. Not enough changes IMO to compete next season. Fletcher stated he would like to get depth on D (This means sign Morin) and get some PK help at forward. This will cost another $4-5M, where is this cap space coming from? To me the only way is to make another hockey trade. The Flyers have informed Jake they want to move on from him already, and Jake has asked for a trade, so at this point I don't see how you can move on with Jake on this roster.
- jd250

Yep. If not jake something has got to give.

Yes!

Finally with some sense. Draft pics aren’t as valuable as everyone is making them out to be. 1st rounders seem to bring NHL regulars, but that’s it. Not stars. And you can still get a NHL regular all the way to undrafted players, and still find some stars all the way through the draft.

Everyone needs to focus on the fact: this team is better. Stop complaining about every move. This Risto move was a heavy price but he is EXACTLY the kind of player they needed. Physical. Mean.

If the flyers get to 3rd round next year, or gasp, win…was this a bad move?!
- AngryJoe

I agree with some of this. He’s not the kind of player you give up a first for though. Add that his contract is expiring at the end of next season, and it’s a terrible deal. It’s done though, so I’ll be rooting for him and the team. And I hope he does well.

I disagree and this is why. The Flyers have $10M in cap space right now. Hart is going to get a 2 or 3 year deal in the $3M range. Sanheim will get a deal, maybe even a 1 year deal in the $4M range, and then you need to sign a backup goalie in the $3M range. So that is your cap space. Not enough changes IMO to compete next season. Fletcher stated he would like to get depth on D (This means sign Morin) and get some PK help at forward. This will cost another $4-5M, where is this cap space coming from? To me the only way is to make another hockey trade. The Flyers have informed Jake they want to move on from him already, and Jake has asked for a trade, so at this point I don't see how you can move on with Jake on this roster.
- jd250

First question is, why do you need to sign another goaltender in the 3m range, if that is the case then he better be the starter for the coming season for me at least.

Now I agree the Flyers have more tweaking to do, but if the Flyers (or any team) can't find a way to utilize other players in their organization to fill minor holes then those players really are pointless.

I know the talk surrounding Voracek, but it really does come down to others teams more than the Flyers if this trade occurs. Voracek for Tarasenko isn't going to be solution to the situation you are talking about because they are still in the same spot with a "sniper" hole filled. So instead they HAVE to trade Voracek for the cap space, ok which 1st round pick or high end prospect are we trading just to get that conversation started?

Lmao i swear the only soda left in the house is Dr Pepper cream soda.

That’s just weird. Lmao
- Stayin alive

There's Dr. Pepper cream soda down there?! Are there other types of Dr. Pepper too?

I gotta get down there for a cheesesteak and some of these pops.