To Vancouver: Voracek, Frost
To Philly: Holtby, 2021 1st rounder


Vancouver is looking for a top 6 forward. They also get a prospect in Frost, with upside but coming over injury.

Flyers get 1 year of Holtby as a 1B goalie and a 2021 first rounder(#9) for tonight

Problem solved.


- J35Bacher

Vancouver would never do that, never.

Put Risto on the ice with those two as much as possible to get that AAV down
- PhillySportsGuy

To Vancouver: Voracek, Frost
To Philly: Holtby, 2021 1st rounder


Vancouver is looking for a top 6 forward. They also get a prospect in Frost, with upside but coming over injury.

Flyers get 1 year of Holtby as a 1B goalie and a 2021 first rounder(#9) for tonight

Problem solved.


- J35Bacher

50% salary retained?

This is an actual metric people use?

Love me some Ristolainen. I’m assuming there is an extension in place. If so good job Chuck. He’s a solid 2nd pair guy. That’s what you hope to develop picking mid 1st anyway.
- hereticpride

This is an excellent trade folks!! The Flyers were not going to get a top end stud in this draft anyway, at least not where they were picking, and its even questionable if there is a real stud in this draft class to begin with. Not too long ago many of you were posting about how tough and great Risto was a minutes eater who was a victim of a bad team. Now he sucks to some of you and not worth a 1st round pick?? You are delusional if you believe this. Risto as your anchor for the 2nd pair is a great choice, and I have no doubt he indicated he would be open to an extension, otherwise Fletcher would not have made this deal.

Fletcher is hitting a grand slam home run this off season so far and he deserves a lot of credit! Now he just needs to sign a good goalie and maybe a bottom 6 forward with jam, and this team will be right back in the thick of things.

Play Riso, sheltered minutes. If you plan on playing him 20 a night, then these are the results you are going to get.

Since 2013, 68 defenseman have played at least 8,000 5v5 minutes. Where Rasmus Ristolainen ranks among them in:

Goals-For %: 68th
Shots-For%: 68th
Corsi-For%: 68th
Fenwick-For%: 68th
Goals-For/60: 68th
Goals-Against/60: 65th
xGF/60: 68th
xGA/60: 55th
Expected Goals-For%: 68th
- ImThatGuy

Yes, we get it...the Buffalo Sabres suck.

Vancouver would never do that, never.
- Glak18

That's why I have the laughing emoji


But it did solve the problem of not having a first and back up goalie.

It’s funny that when an offensive dman plays poor defensively, he’s worthless, but when a defensive dman plays poor defensively, it’s fine
- PhillySportsGuy

Guys that can't score are always allowed more leeway.

It's more acceptable to be poor offensively AND defensively than it is to be good offensively and poor defensively

Amazing how many people lose their mind when the hear a 1st rd pick is involved in a trade.
- hello it's me 2050

All offseason long people (me included) preached we were ok trading the 1st this year

Play Riso, sheltered minutes. If you plan on playing him 20 a night, then these are the results you are going to get.

Since 2013, 68 defenseman have played at least 8,000 5v5 minutes. Where Rasmus Ristolainen ranks among them in:

Goals-For %: 68th
Shots-For%: 68th
Corsi-For%: 68th
Fenwick-For%: 68th
Goals-For/60: 68th
Goals-Against/60: 65th
xGF/60: 68th
xGA/60: 55th
Expected Goals-For%: 68th
- ImThatGuy

I wonder if there is any correlation with where the team he played for finished in the standings each year since 2013 🤔

Play Riso, sheltered minutes. If you plan on playing him 20 a night, then these are the results you are going to get.

Since 2013, 68 defenseman have played at least 8,000 5v5 minutes. Where Rasmus Ristolainen ranks among them in:

Goals-For %: 68th
Shots-For%: 68th
Corsi-For%: 68th
Fenwick-For%: 68th
Goals-For/60: 68th
Goals-Against/60: 65th
xGF/60: 68th
xGA/60: 55th
Expected Goals-For%: 68th
- ImThatGuy

so with totally diff players on the flyers those are the numbers to be expected? Not a wait and see approach?

Yes, we get it...the Buffalo Sabres suck.
- Glak18

Oh im not denying that. But Ristolainen was very much part of the problem.

IF he turns into anything more than ill be absolutely shocked.

6 coaches have played him crazy minutes and all have gotten the same awful result from him.

Non-trolling question: what are people in the know saying about Carter Hart for next year?

Any chance he's on the trading block?

Play Riso, sheltered minutes. If you plan on playing him 20 a night, then these are the results you are going to get.

Since 2013, 68 defenseman have played at least 8,000 5v5 minutes. Where Rasmus Ristolainen ranks among them in:

Goals-For %: 68th
Shots-For%: 68th
Corsi-For%: 68th
Fenwick-For%: 68th
Goals-For/60: 68th
Goals-Against/60: 65th
xGF/60: 68th
xGA/60: 55th
Expected Goals-For%: 68th
- ImThatGuy

Very consistent

Vancouver would never do that, never.
- Glak18

Sir, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Jim Benning

All offseason long people (me included) preached we were ok trading the 1st this year
- arichardson22

I think they overplayed and I understand why he did. Though they are a better team today.

They lost a first and seventh this year. a second in 2022 and 2023. So at least it's not all in one year. Still gave up more than I wanted to but at least it's spread out.
- mickel25

we havent had much luck with 2nds anyway

Non-trolling question: what are people in the know saying about Carter Hart for next year?

Any chance he's on the trading block?
- Atomic Wedgie

At this point, nothing would surprise me.

That's why I have the laughing emoji


But it did solve the problem of not having a first and back up goalie.
- J35Bacher

I mean I would do it....maybe.

I don't know yet. This is a big season for Frost and if he can't win a job this year and show some progression than I'm getting a bit worried.

fletcher sucks

Non-trolling question: what are people in the know saying about Carter Hart for next year?

Any chance he's on the trading block?
- Atomic Wedgie

No one here is in the know.

That said, I think everyone expects Hart to bounce back next year with what is hopefully a better defensive effort in front of him.

Oh im not denying that. But Ristolainen was very much part of the problem.

IF he turns into anything more than ill be absolutely shocked.

6 coaches have played him crazy minutes and all have gotten the same awful result from him.
- ImThatGuy

So Buffalo will be winning more games this year just for the fact Risto is no longer on the team?

Posting for the first time since Vietnam to tell everyone chill out. There could be other moves in place.

Anyone arguing the Flyers defense isn't exponentially better than last season already is a goof.

The Flyers have accumulated oodles of young talent over the last 5 years and can afford to deal away some draft picks.

This isn't an overpayment for Risto and everyone knows it. Buffalo wasn't going to accept anything less.
- mochoson

This D is way better then last year. No doubt. I mean last year they tried Gust, Ghost, Sanhiem, Myers and Braun on the top pairing...TOP PAIRING??! 🤦‍♂️

Ellis is Better then Provy. That top line is tough and can take on great minutes. A solid second pairing of Sanhiem and Ristolainen. And a bottom pairing the can be shielded and perform well in limited minutes in York and Braun.

Way better.

Not gonna lie. I’m gonna miss the first round pick😞

Eminger turned into Carle tho, so maybe there's still hope?
- Tomahawk

Possibly flip him tonight for a late first

It may have cost more than we all liked but Chuck practiced what he preached and 90% of fans swore Chuck wouldn’t do a damn thing. Our defensive core is completely upgraded. One of the guys is arguably best outlet passer in the league, a massive problem we had constantly last year. The other is an absolute bruiser who beat us up plenty last year, arguably the 2nd biggest team issue. If the young forwards, Sanheim and Hart bounce back we will be very solid this year in my opinion. Chuck did a really good job bringing in 2 top 4 dmen that compliment our team now

Why are you worrying about Coots right now?

OMG what happens when Hart's new contract expires, what are they going to do?
- Glak18

Provy
Hayes
Ellis
Risto (extension)???
Jake
Jvr
Coots ?????
That’s probably 60% of cap.

Farabee frost sanheim etc extensions.