Good points all around. Hopefully Bowman knows where to draw the line and walk away from the Jackets and hope that Jones hits free agency next summer to get another crack at him.
- Theo Fox

Theo....exactly where I am at as well......comes a point you need to be aware of the market and be prepared to walk away.....a team like Colorado likely has to ship out other quality assets to make Jones work just to resign him, let alone trade for him.

I have faith in Stanley. Hasn't gotten walked on a trade since he traded for Kimmo.....

Its about asset management- this includes prospects. picks and cap space, all of which Jones would cost us at the wrong time in our development. Your assessment of the Hawk's players is proof of this (our limited talent pool). This is not bringing in Soupy to help stabilize our young back-line which was already making the jump (Keith's 2007-2008 season was a breakout season for him)- and we over paid for him in free agency and not with other assets. It is too early to be using other assets (whether they are elite talent or middle of the road) for a good player who will be in decline when this team is ready to make the next step.
- Revco38

They aren't going to be bad enough to get a top pick unless Patrick Kane and Alex Debrincat are moved. Kane basically willed them into a playoff spot in the beginning of the year combined with some timely goaltending.

If you can get an impact player in the prime of their career - that is probably something that should be done.

They aren't going to be bad enough to get a top pick unless Patrick Kane and Alex Debrincat are moved. Kane basically willed them into a playoff spot in the beginning of the year combined with some timely goaltending.

If you can get an impact player in the prime of their career - that is probably something that should be done.
- fattybeef

True but I also think Jones gets us closer to a playoff position (maybe 7-8 seed) but no closer and costs us cap space, picks/prospects that could be used in other ways which would be of greater benefit at this time in our development. If we were 2 years further along in our development I would be all for this, just not now.

Use that cap space to collect more assets/picks. Take the #9 from Vancouver to take Holtby and Boeser for some lower picks/lower prospects. Flip them at TDL (retain salary if need be as they are in final year of deal) for more picks which could be used in a variety of ways.

I keep hearing people say that giving up assets for Jones is foolish. Outside of Dach, ADB and possibly Reichel (from what I’ve seen so far), I would have no issue giving up any other players or picks to land Jones. Is he peak Keith or Doughty? No, but he is a very good D-man that can play in all situations. What are we afraid of losing here?
- Chunk

Kampf or Gaudette.

Theo....exactly where I am at as well......comes a point you need to be aware of the market and be prepared to walk away.....a team like Colorado likely has to ship out other quality assets to make Jones work just to resign him, let alone trade for him.

I have faith in Stanley. Hasn't gotten walked on a trade since he traded for Kimmo.....
- SteveRain

If the end result is the same, I’d trade for Kimmo every year. Bottom line, bad trade, great results. Imagine if they hadn’t won the cup.

When will Evan Barratt be ready to make the jump? Who does he replace? Kurashev?, Hardman? Hagel? Borgstrom?Nylander?. Figuring Entwhistle replaces Kampf eventually, Stan has to figure out which of his prospects to keep, and which to try and maximize a return.
- LAHawk

Good question. I believe Theo suggested that Barret would get a look at some point next season. He may contribute more offensively in the NHL than AHL production.

One failed prospect for us had maybe one day, tops, to hope he might get a chance after Ghost was traded. Alas Ritsolainenn came aboard. I don't know if Gus can find a job in anyone's top six but he can be employed on the PP.

I keep hearing people say that giving up assets for Jones is foolish. Outside of Dach, ADB and possibly Reichel (from what I’ve seen so far), I would have no issue giving up any other players or picks to land Jones. Is he peak Keith or Doughty? No, but he is a very good D-man that can play in all situations. What are we afraid of losing here?
- Chunk

What are we gaining?

If the current pool of prospects isn’t worth keeping around long enough to see if the can develop into useful NHL players, then what is adding Seth Jones to the mix going to add? He’s only one guy, he can’t do it alone.

The timing isn’t right. The team isn’t close enough, to be wasting assets, many of whom are still unknown, on a mediocre #2 D-man.

If the end result is the same, I’d trade for Kimmo every year. Bottom line, bad trade, great results. Imagine if they hadn’t won the cup.
- Angotti

If having Timonen kept David Rundblad off the ice for 18 playoff games, it was a brilliant move. Q could tell Stan he needed the playoff experience on the bench.

Buchnevich to the Blews

Blais and a 2nd back to NYR

I'd do that. Don't know that CBJ would. Beaudin could turn out to be pretty decent and I think Suter's a middle 6 forward, but I think we have several of those guys.

Like you mention, Reichel could be up this year or later but I'd hang onto him. If they didn't have to trade Kurashev, even better.
- HawkintheD

On a team not one of 20 teams in the "middle of the pack" do you really think Suter is a "middle 6" Forward? Hmm. If you say 3rd line is "middle 6 then yes." But he's nothing special even as a 3rd line player to me.

What are we gaining?

If the current pool of prospects isn’t worth keeping around long enough to see if the can develop into useful NHL players, then what is adding Seth Jones to the mix going to add? He’s only one guy, he can’t do it alone.

The timing isn’t right. The team isn’t close enough, to be wasting assets, many of whom are still unknown, on a mediocre #2 D-man.
- Ogilthorpe2

While I believe you have a point, I will add this from an earlier post of mine today: S Jones could excel in a different environment.

Maybe not Chicago right away. Maybe Dallas though

He didn't loose ability. He just needs good support and coaching, plus a winning team improves his attitude.

Jones may not ever become a true #1 pair. But he gives us a big body, a checker and just his presence with his style will help our beleaguered crew whom is more soft than tough

If the end result is the same, I’d trade for Kimmo every year. Bottom line, bad trade, great results. Imagine if they hadn’t won the cup.
- Angotti

If we hadn't won the cup he would not have cost a 2nd round pick!

If we hadn't won the cup he would not have cost a 2nd round pick!
- rpeters01

Who’d they get with that pick?

WEll....I just made the mistake and listened to Bernstein's latest take on John Doe 1......
- SteveRain

Is he still, (in his mind), the smartest guy in the room?

What are we gaining?

If the current pool of prospects isn’t worth keeping around long enough to see if the can develop into useful NHL players, then what is adding Seth Jones to the mix going to add? He’s only one guy, he can’t do it alone.

The timing isn’t right. The team isn’t close enough, to be wasting assets, many of whom are still unknown, on a mediocre #2 D-man.
- Ogilthorpe2

Give all the young guys this year to shake themselves out. By the end of the season, Stan will have a much better handle on what he has. If he keeps his powder dry this off season, he’ll be better prepared to bring some guys in next off season.

If you think the Hawks can compete for the playoffs in ‘21-‘22, I’d disagree.

We do tend to overvalue prospects...as far as Dmen I remember Johns, Paliotta, Olsen, etc all being highly thought of and then being traded....and then doing nothing the rest of their careers...could the same be said for Beaudin & Mitchell?

Does Jones make the Blackhawks better...yes he does.

The question is for how much...both money and prospects? If Ristolanien(sp?) sets the market...then it's to high

Looks like Vancouver made a deal. The unconfirmed details are OEL and Garland for Beagle, Eriksson and the 9th overall.

True but I also think Jones gets us closer to a playoff position (maybe 7-8 seed) but no closer and costs us cap space, picks/prospects that could be used in other ways which would be of greater benefit at this time in our development. If we were 2 years further along in our development I would be all for this, just not now.

Use that cap space to collect more assets/picks. Take the #9 from Vancouver to take Holtby and Boeser for some lower picks/lower prospects. Flip them at TDL (retain salary if need be as they are in final year of deal) for more picks which could be used in a variety of ways.
- Revco38

Who has given up anything significant for cap space yet? How many actual flips of significant salary happen at the TDL?

Lets be realistic here. If there is an impact player that could make the team if not significantly better at least more entertaining to watch and put some asses in the seats then may as well take the player and figure out the rest later.

Whose to say in 2 years they will be in a better position? Debrincats contract will be up, Dach will need money, Kane and Toews will either need paper or moving on and outside of Kane there isn't anyone near comparable that can open up a game in a meaningful way.

Looks like Vancouver made a deal. The unconfirmed details are OEL and Garland for Beagle, Eriksson and the 9th overall.
- DarthKane

How many players can 1 team have on LTIR? Is there a limit? Asking for the Coyotes.

OEL traded

OEL/Garland, for Beagle, Eriksson, Roussel and 9th overall pick are involved.

Looks like Vancouver made a deal. The unconfirmed details are OEL and Garland for Beagle, Eriksson and the 9th overall.
- DarthKane

#ASF

Stan should be able to get Foote, Johnson, and a future 1st from TB for carpenter at this rate

I do have a feeling the Hawks will go with Lucius. #1 they like NTDP players, who doesn't, and when all is said and done the hardest thing to do in the NHL is score goals and this kid can do that.

Which is why I don't discount Coronato and the Hawks going off the board a handful of picks for him. 48 goals in 51 games in the USHL that's known for its defensive brand really is amazing. We see what Caufield is doing and what he did scoring in the USHL. Even another NTDP kid in Farrabee with Philly as a 21 yr old. Off course Sillinger can score too.

But the combination of Lucius being out of the NTDP and playing center has me thinking that's where the Hawks will go.

For me though I'm most intrigued by rd 2 and I'm really happy the Hawks have 2 picks in rd 2. Due to the pandemic, most playing a shortened schedule or none, I think looking back 10 yrs from now rd 2, and all the lower rds really, will have had more gems than usual.

Scouting on film is much different than live and that alone creates misses and overlooks IMO. ..... I really like Dmen Morrow, Buium and Peart and forward Matt Kniess later.
- Mr Ricochet

Mr. R

Do you like William Strömgren in the 2nd round?

How about Colton Dach/Boucher.....There does appear to be many sleepers out there after the first round

We do tend to overvalue prospects...as far as Dmen I remember Johns, Paliotta, Olsen, etc all being highly thought of and then being traded....and then doing nothing the rest of their careers...could the same be said for Beaudin & Mitchell?

Does Jones make the Blackhawks better...yes he does.

The question is for how much...both money and prospects? If Ristolanien(sp?) sets the market...then it's to high
- NamedSources

The question isn’t just FOR how much, it’s also how much does a solid #2 D-man actually improve the team?

Mr. R

Do you like William Strömgren in the 2nd round?

How about Colton Dach/Boucher.....There does appear to be many sleepers out there after the first round
- gazza53

After the Kirby Dach video to Colton, would be great to see Stan draft Colton