Save the picks and player s just sign Hamilton.

Must not have wanted to pay royalties to Drew Carey

They could have been Cleveland Rocks
- ikeane

I thought that one too. I second this name. Mascot could be Carey's doppelganger- JJ.

There should be no discussion of trading for Jones. The Blackhawks won’t win a cup with him on the team. Declining numbers is just part of it, the other part being trading away your future on a has been.
- Diamondhands

yep still think jones ends up in Colorado but doesn't sign an extension with them. Dallas also but don't rule out Carolina or Florida.

I would go with Chaz Lucas. I think his skating issues are overblown, I think his knee injury contributed to it. I love natural goal scorers. I wouldn't mind Jones, if it costs Bovquist, Kurashev, Strome (especially if you draft Lucas), and a 3rd or 4th round pic.

Kings need another top 6 player to slot their forwards correctly, they definitely have the cap space. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with Eichel. Also, they are like the Hawks, very inexperienced on D, They are in the west, which I believe is very weak this year, so I expect them to be a playoff team this year.
- LAHawk

I do have a feeling the Hawks will go with Lucius. #1 they like NTDP players, who doesn't, and when all is said and done the hardest thing to do in the NHL is score goals and this kid can do that.

Which is why I don't discount Coronato and the Hawks going off the board a handful of picks for him. 48 goals in 51 games in the USHL that's known for its defensive brand really is amazing. We see what Caufield is doing and what he did scoring in the USHL. Even another NTDP kid in Farrabee with Philly as a 21 yr old. Off course Sillinger can score too.

But the combination of Lucius being out of the NTDP and playing center has me thinking that's where the Hawks will go.

For me though I'm most intrigued by rd 2 and I'm really happy the Hawks have 2 picks in rd 2. Due to the pandemic, most playing a shortened schedule or none, I think looking back 10 yrs from now rd 2, and all the lower rds really, will have had more gems than usual.

Scouting on film is much different than live and that alone creates misses and overlooks IMO. ..... I really like Dmen Morrow, Buium and Peart and forward Matt Kniess later.

I keep hearing people say that giving up assets for Jones is foolish. Outside of Dach, ADB and possibly Reichel (from what I’ve seen so far), I would have no issue giving up any other players or picks to land Jones. Is he peak Keith or Doughty? No, but he is a very good D-man that can play in all situations. What are we afraid of losing here?
- Chunk

I get what you are saying, by signing Jones or Hamilton you lose the bridge deal of home grown players under rfa contracts. So you kind of back where you started all this money tied up in 1 player and he'll probably get a NMC and NTC and all that bull poop.

According to @frank_seravalli, the Chicago Blackhawks are working hard to try to trade for defenseman Seth Jones. Seth is willing to sign a long-term deal with the Blackhawks.

How about Hawk’s #11 + Delia & the rights to Z for Holtby & Vancouver’s #9.

“Honestly, I think Wallstedt has a strong chance of cracking the top 10 along with Cossa which would mean someone like Mason McTavish, Johnson, Hughes, or Clarke falls…”

Yeah, but then you wake and realize that Stan is the one who wasted a pick on a goalie.

There should be no discussion of trading for Jones. The Blackhawks won’t win a cup with him on the team. Declining numbers is just part of it, the other part being trading away your future on a has been.
- Diamondhands

What rostered player is better and what dev player is projected to be better?

The answer would be zero. Its not like they have some high impact player they're just waiting to mature. Dach maybe be he looks like a guy, Debrincat is obviously a talented scorer but past that there isn't a whole lot.

I keep hearing people say that giving up assets for Jones is foolish. Outside of Dach, ADB and possibly Reichel (from what I’ve seen so far), I would have no issue giving up any other players or picks to land Jones. Is he peak Keith or Doughty? No, but he is a very good D-man that can play in all situations. What are we afraid of losing here?
- Chunk

The fear in giving up any young player, like those mentioned in the proposed deals, is that they take the big leap to the next level of play. It's kinda easy to say at you know what Suter, Kubalik, Strome are because at 25, they have "matured" into what they are (bot saying I necessarily totally agree with that). But, with young players, especially defenseman, like Boqvist, Mitchell, Kalynuk & Beaudin you really are not sure exactly what the future may be. It's not hard to imagine any of them finding their confidence and improving to the point where they could be considered top line D-men.

So the question becomes, trade for a commodity that is 5 years older, maybe declining and going to cost a heck of a lot more than what you have, or keep what you have and hope they do improve. Not that Nylander has been mentioned in any of these trades, but it's the same mindset, the fear that they live up to their draft pedigree and potential somewhere else.

Ristolainen from Sabres to Flyers for Hagg + draft picks one of which is 2021 1st.

How about Hawk’s #11 + Delia & the rights to Z for Holtby & Vancouver’s #9.
- scottak

Per David Pagnotta: Canucks are shopping Schmidt and Holtby and willing to give up their 1st pick. Looking for a top 6 winger and top 4 defenseman, not necessarily in the same deal.

I like the structure of your proposed trade. Depends on if the Canucks view Zadorov as a top 4, of course.

What rostered player is better and what dev player is projected to be better?

The answer would be zero. Its not like they have some high impact player they're just waiting to mature. Dach maybe be he looks like a guy, Debrincat is obviously a talented scorer but past that there isn't a whole lot.
- fattybeef

That question also depends on where you consider Jones to be currently. If you think he is still a solid #1D and will be for a few more seasons or if his play is declining/has declined to the point where he no longer is.

Just say no to Jones. Give all your young D a full year to show what they’ve got, and develop. The last 2 years were both truncated. The goal this season is development, not winning.

Then add next year when they’d actually have a shot at the playoffs.

What rostered player is better and what dev player is projected to be better?

The answer would be zero. Its not like they have some high impact player they're just waiting to mature. Dach maybe be he looks like a guy, Debrincat is obviously a talented scorer but past that there isn't a whole lot.
- fattybeef

Its about asset management- this includes prospects. picks and cap space, all of which Jones would cost us at the wrong time in our development. Your assessment of the Hawk's players is proof of this (our limited talent pool). This is not bringing in Soupy to help stabilize our young back-line which was already making the jump (Keith's 2007-2008 season was a breakout season for him)- and we over paid for him in free agency and not with other assets. It is too early to be using other assets (whether they are elite talent or middle of the road) for a good player who will be in decline when this team is ready to make the next step.

Save the picks and player s just sign Hamilton.
- Abadseed

Hamilton sucks

Per David Pagnotta: Canucks are shopping Schmidt and Holtby and willing to give up their 1st pick. Looking for a top 6 winger and top 4 defenseman, not necessarily in the same deal.

What about Zadorov + other assets for Holtby + 2021 1st? Depends on if the Canucks view Zadorov as a top 4, of course.
- Theo Fox

Would be interesting to know if ANYONE other than Zadorov views Zadorov as a top 4D.

Just say no to Jones. Give all your young D a full year to show what they’ve got, and develop. The last 2 years were both truncated. The goal this season is development, not winning.

Then add next year when they’d actually have a shot at the playoffs.
- scottak

The "Organ-I-Zation" needs/wants distraction. Jones wont be the only significant add.

Per David Pagnotta: Canucks are shopping Schmidt and Holtby and willing to give up their 1st pick. Looking for a top 6 winger and top 4 defenseman, not necessarily in the same deal.

What about Zadorov + other assets for Holtby + 2021 1st? Depends on if the Canucks view Zadorov as a top 4, of course.
- Theo Fox

If you throw in Delia, VAN saves $3.3 on their backup goalie. There should be a deal here that allows the Hawks to move up to #9.

How about Hawk’s #11 + Delia & the rights to Z for Holtby & Vancouver’s #9.
- scottak

Sign me up

thanks i know my trade proposal can out of left field and don't make sense but its fun to try see what trades to come down not only the hawks but rest of the league. As for who hawks pick i want Mctavish but most like gone before 11 i could see hawks reach like last year. But the safe picks imo. Are Sillnger lucias and cossa.
- Scott1977

It's supposed to be fun and too many of us lose sight of that. You've got yourself a sanctuary and hopefully it remains so.

Players drop, man. Rossi dropped, Zegras at #9 looks like a coup. Boldy. If both those goalies go before #11 someone is gonna drop. If someone sees Sillinger or Coronato as 35-40 goal NHL scorers in the top 10 and can't trade down someone is gonna drop. If enough people think Brandt Clarke's skating isn't gonna carry over he'll drop. ..... More than a few people think the freakish size/skating combo of Edvinsson has a hockey IQ of 10. He may drop.

But at 11 even if nobody drops the Hawks will have a few solid choices as opposed to last yr at #17.

Looking at that Wallstedt goalie man does he get to square in a blink. Add his efficient style giving him crazy good rebound control he's intriguing. Watching Price in these playoffs I realized something I hadn't before. Like a line that attacks in waves and layers this guy seemed to have layers of stopping the puck I hadn't realized. His legs backs up his arm, his skate backs up his stick, his glove backs up his pad and it's done seamlessly, subtly and as a matter of his form...... I see some of that in Wallstedt and he's 18 yrs old.

Ristolainen from Sabres to Flyers for Hagg + draft picks one of which is 2021 1st.
- Theo Fox

Sabres are on full dump mode...

What do you think a team would have to give up for Eichel?

I would also like to have the Hawks explore taking PK Subban off NJ's hands + the 29th pick (for a 4th round pick), or see if we can pry the 4th overall (+ Subban) for Strome and a 3rd
- Revco38

I'd kick the tires on taking P.K. Subban off of the Devils hands if they throw in their 2021 1st in echange for a roster player and a mid-range pick (3rd or later) or any other package.

Like the expansion draft, I can't see the assets going to New Jersey being any that the Hawks would miss and would be more than happy to give up, i.e. any of the excess middle 6 forwards.

Fukawi


Kids will have to google Johnny Carson.
- 6628

Remember Ed Ames with the tomahawk?

Ristolainen from Sabres to Flyers for Hagg + draft picks one of which is 2021 1st.
- Theo Fox

So if Risto brings back that package what will Jones bring back?