I don't see any way that Buffalo keeps him. I think Drury is standing firm on his offer and waiting for Buffalo to blink. I'm just preparing myself for the inevitable at this point.
- gravey914

Who is going to trade ANYTHING for him when he is injured and Buffalo won't share his medical records? For all we know, he has a career ending injury!
He isn't worth a used bag of pucks until he is proven healthy....

Who is going to trade ANYTHING for him when he is injured and Buffalo won't share his medical records? For all we know, he has a career ending injury!
He isn't worth a used bag of pucks until he is proven healthy....
- TommyGTrain

It could be that Buffalo will only release the medicals when they get a trade "offer"(conditioned on reviewing the medical info) that satisfies Buffalo's ask, with the understanding that Buffalo can't "accept" any offer until they release the medicals to the interested team. The condition is that the offer can be withdrawn by the interested team if the medicals are not to their liking.

https://twitter.com/repor...tatus/1419039877341925377

Who is going to trade ANYTHING for him when he is injured and Buffalo won't share his medical records? For all we know, he has a career ending injury!
He isn't worth a used bag of pucks until he is proven healthy....
- TommyGTrain

The Rangers. The Rangers will trade SOMETHING. As I said, I'm just preparing for the inevitable.

So… Aatu Raty scores 2 goals in World Juniors Showcase hours after being drafted.

So… Aatu Raty scores 2 goals in World Juniors Showcase hours after being drafted.
- aecliptic

Someone call for a welfare check on JRR

For the "PRO Blais" in the 1 roster pc. & a 2nd Rdr in 2022 acquired for Buch:

https://foreverblueshirts...ff-to-a-rough-start/.html

Blais had been in Blues head coach, Craig Berube's doghouse due to either/both poor play at times & "conditioning issues" likely causing it.

The best recent comparative Rangers trade to Buch's is that made by former GM Jeff Gorton on Trade Deadline Day in 2019, when dealing another 26 year old then potential soon free agent forward in center Kevin Hayes to Winnipeg while playing at a peak in his prime likewise. However, Gorton received in exchange a 1st Rounder in 2019, along with a tough forward in 22 year old then Brendan Lemieux; and a conditional 2022 pick if the Jets had won the Cup in 2019. He also didn't retain any of Hayes' remaining prorated salary due him of his one-year deal signed in 2018.

So Drury was robbed by STL. versus Gorton receiving equal value or more.
Drury should have received a current year 1st Rounder instead + Blais.
If Blais were dealt alone, he would command up to only a low 3rd or a 4th Rdr.

Edit:
Should the attached link not function properly, as I had initially entered it in full correctly, character by character, (but then had trouble after my initial posting in reconnecting to the article), (as the h.buzz system always shortens links' lengths as shown here); the recent "forever blueshirts" head article title of that link reads:

"Rangers GM Chris Drury's first big day on the job off to a rough start."
My above posted words on Samuel Blais are listed under the next subsection titled: "Chris Drury's moves are raising questions."

For the "PRO Blais" in the 1 roster pc. & a 2nd Rdr in 2022 acquired for Buch:

https://foreverblueshirts...ff-to-a-rough-start/.html

Blais had been in Blues head coach, Craig Berube's doghouse due to either/both poor play at times & "conditioning issues" likely causing it.

The best recent comparative Rangers trade to Buch's is that made by former GM Jeff Gorton on Trade Deadline Day in 2019, when dealing another 26 year old then potential soon free agent forward in center Kevin Hayes to Winnipeg while playing at a peak in his prime likewise. However, Gorton received in exchange a 1st Rounder in 2019, along with a tough forward in 22 year old then Brendan Lemieux; and a conditional 2022 pick if the Jets had won the Cup in 2019. He also didn't retain any of Hayes' remaining prorated salary due him of his one-year deal signed in 2018.

So Drury was robbed by STL compared to Gorton receiving equal value or more.
Drury should have received a current 1st Rounder instead + Blais.
If Blais were dealt alone, he would command up to only a low 3rd or a 4th Rdr.
- RangerSaver

Apples to oranges comparison:

Hayes was dealt as a deadline rental with the idea of propelling the Jets forward deep into the playoffs ---- pre COVID and during a time when the salary cap was rising.

Buch was dealt post COVID at a time when many teams are broke and are struggling to move forward under a flat cap that may not rise for another 2 years.

For the "PRO Blais" in the 1 roster pc. & a 2nd Rdr in 2022 acquired for Buch:

https://foreverblueshirts...ff-to-a-rough-start/.html

Blais had been in Blues head coach, Craig Berube's doghouse due to either/both poor play at times & "conditioning issues" likely causing it.

The best recent comparative Rangers trade to Buch's is that made by former GM Jeff Gorton on Trade Deadline Day in 2019, when dealing another 26 year old then potential soon free agent forward in center Kevin Hayes to Winnipeg while playing at a peak in his prime likewise. However, Gorton received in exchange a 1st Rounder in 2019, along with a tough forward in 22 year old then Brendan Lemieux; and a conditional 2022 pick if the Jets had won the Cup in 2019. He also didn't retain any of Hayes' remaining prorated salary due him of his one-year deal signed in 2018.

So Drury was robbed by STL. versus Gorton receiving equal value or more.
Drury should have received a current year 1st Rounder instead + Blais.
If Blais were dealt alone, he would command up to only a low 3rd or a 4th Rdr.
- RangerSaver

Different times. The value of a player is whatever two GMs agree upon. For example, most GMs disagree that Jack Eichel is not worth the equivalent of 4 first Rd talents.

Apples to oranges comparison:

Hayes was dealt as a deadline rental with the idea of propelling the Jets forward deep into the playoffs ---- pre COVID and during a time when the salary cap was rising.

Buch was dealt post COVID at a time when many teams are broke and are struggling to move forward under a flat cap that may not rise for another 2 years.
- TommyGTrain

Not to mention Hayes was a center which is always at a premium compared to wingers like Buch

Apples to oranges comparison:

Hayes was dealt as a deadline rental with the idea of propelling the Jets forward deep into the playoffs ---- pre COVID and during a time when the salary cap was rising.

Buch was dealt post COVID at a time when many teams are broke and are struggling to move forward under a flat cap that may not rise for another 2 years.
- TommyGTrain

I'm aware of that Jets rental means, Tom, as per why I also mentioned even though it never materialized, that Conditional 4th Round Pick in 2022 that Gorton would have also received, had the Jets went on to win the Cup in 2019, which they didn't.

Also remember, as some in number here wanted them to do, in that they wanted the Rangers to "SELL HIGH ON BUCH" coming off his great season. That's similar to normally selling high at the trade Deadline to a desperate buyer in search of a certain major need. Drury received little value for Buch in the end, as well as in comparison to Gorton's selling of Hayes back then.

However, I compared the two trades for being the closest in quality players/draft picks involved, where Drury fell short in his return for Buch in comparison to Gorton's with Hayes. That comparison, also since Buch & Hayes were each age 26 in their prime when traded, despite Hayes being a center, & each were at recent or current career heights of play.
Hayes had only signed a one-year deal in 2018 after the 2017/18 season, (the then to begin 3 year rebuild); & was willing to wait another season with hopes of being able to receive a lengthier term contract in the Summer of 2019 from the Rangers, in wanting to remain here.

Not to mention Hayes was a center which is always at a premium compared to wingers like Buch
- rangerdanger94

I mentioned that fact initially of Hayes "being a center." He had also played at wing in some previous seasons as well.

Different times. The value of a player is whatever two GMs agree upon. For example, most GMs disagree that Jack Eichel is not worth the equivalent of 4 first Rd talents.
- gravey914

The fact still is that Drury got fleeced by the Blues acquiring Buch. Brooks for one had a late night, or post midnight NYP article stating in not all exact words, except for the ones in quotes that, "The Rangers Will Take Heat" With Their Trade Of Buch.

But I agree with your theory. However, in mentioning Eichel, that's an exception due to Buffalo GM's, Adams ridiculously high still asking price for one that supposedly needs and wants to undergo a special type of neck surgery; (as I had posted in previous blogs off a Buffalo article), until they agree to release every related medical test result and document.

The fact still is that Drury got fleeced by the Blues acquiring Buch. Brooks for one had a late night, or post midnight NYP article stating in not all exact words, except for the ones in quotes that, "The Rangers Will Take Heat" With Their Trade Of Buch.

But I agree with your theory. However, in mentioning Eichel, that's an exception due to Buffalo GM's, Adams ridiculously high still asking price for one that supposedly needs and wants to undergo a special type of neck surgery; (as I had posted in previous blogs off a Buffalo article), until they agree to release every related medical test result and document.
- RangerSaver

I will ask again because I haven't seen it anywhere...what other offers were there for Buch?

Oversimplified a bit, but when a team takes a 3rd round draft choice, gets a couple good years out of him, and trades him for a higher pick and a player, they did ok.

The fact still is that Drury got fleeced by the Blues acquiring Buch. Brooks for one had a late night, or post midnight NYP article stating in not all exact words, except for the ones in quotes that, "The Rangers Will Take Heat" With Their Trade Of Buch.
- RangerSaver

Im wondering if the market on Buch wasnt as hot as some were making it out to be and the Rangers took the best deal available to them that also suited a need.

Im wondering if the market on Buch wasnt as hot as some were making it out to be and the Rangers took the best deal available to them that also suited a need.
- aecliptic

I think the market was hot in the sense that multiple teams were interested, but people were overestimating how much value Buch would bring back.

Sam Reinhart was just traded for a 1st round pick.

Reinhart is younger and already has five 20 goal seasons vs Buch’s two 20 goal seasons.

Buch for a 2nd and a quality 4th liner who can play now, and who has won a Stanley Cup, makes sense when you look at what Reinhart fetched.

I will ask again because I haven't seen it anywhere...what other offers were there for Buch?

Oversimplified a bit, but when a team takes a 3rd round draft choice, gets a couple good years out of him, and trades him for a higher pick and a player, they did ok.
- climbdenali12

Supposedly, last weekend there were two different ones involving Vancouver.
One had Buch straight up for Horvat (a Center & their Captain).
Another I saw stated there were to be add on(s) as additional that were awaiting an agreement, first from the Rangers end; and depending on who/what one or more were; add on(s) coming back from Vancouver. That article had been removed almost immediately, & could have been of non worthiness, after appearing to be initially a possible reason for the delay of an official trade to come down.
But then word some had stated that even the "One For One" deal was out, or possibly never existed at all; despite various sites having mentioned it.

I think the market was hot in the sense that multiple teams were interested, but people were overestimating how much value Buch would bring back.
- rangerdanger94

Word. Thats it.

I think the market was hot in the sense that multiple teams were interested, but people were overestimating how much value Buch would bring back.
- rangerdanger94

Word. Thats it.

Supposedly, last weekend there were two different ones involving Vancouver.
One had Buch straight up for Horvat (a Center & their Captain).
Another I saw stated there were to be add on(s) as additional that were awaiting an agreement, first from the Rangers end; and depending on who/what one or more were; add on(s) coming back from Vancouver. That article had been removed almost immediately, & could have been of non worthiness, after appearing to be initially a possible reason for the delay of an official trade to come down.
But then word some had stated that even the "One For One" deal was out, or possibly never existed at all; despite various sites having mentioned it.
- RangerSaver

I bet the Horvat thing was probably Rangers kicking tires and it got overblown.

a lot of it doesn't make sense

look at these 3 trades

Buch = a 2nd + 4th line role player

Reinhart = 1st + an unsigned prospect (traded within the division)

Ristolainen = a 1st, + 2nd, Plus a roster player

Ristolainen was the most valuable of those 3 ?????????????????

a lot of it doesn't make sense

look at these 3 trades

Buch = a 2nd + 4th line role player

Reinhart = 1st + an unsigned prospect (traded within the division)

Ristolainen = a 1st, + 2nd, Plus a roster player

Ristolainen was the most valuable of those 3 ?????????????????
- ELew11

That risto trade was just pure highway robbery

a lot of it doesn't make sense

look at these 3 trades

Buch = a 2nd + 4th line role player

Reinhart = 1st + an unsigned prospect (traded within the division)

Ristolainen = a 1st, + 2nd, Plus a roster player

Ristolainen was the most valuable of those 3 ?????????????????
- ELew11

I am starting to believe that maybe Buch's contract demands were so high that other teams wouldn't make a more significant offer because they felt they couldn't sign him.
I guess we will get the answer if/when he signs with the Blues...

I am starting to believe that maybe Buch's contract demands were so high that other teams wouldn't make a more significant offer because they felt they couldn't sign him.
I guess we will get the answer if/when he signs with the Blues...
- TommyGTrain

Can’t wait till he signs for 6 years at 5.5 per to piss everyone off more

I am starting to believe that maybe Buch's contract demands were so high that other teams wouldn't make a more significant offer because they felt they couldn't sign him.
I guess we will get the answer if/when he signs with the Blues...
- TommyGTrain

Maybe the trade with the Blues was simply to gain his rights and see if they could sign him.