Just to throw something in there. If you take Cossa then the Flyers lose who ever they pick instead if it is another pick. Just food for thought.
- peesinwind

You have to remember also that once you have a pretty good goalie generally you’re gonna be a playoff team. So you generally won’t be picking high. Usually you’re gonna be late teens early to mid 20’s. In almost every draft you’re well into the 2nd tier skating players.

Example 2012 draft who picked 19th? Tb selected the stud can’t miss star goalie prospect vasy.

Who picked 20th? Yep your Philadelphia flyers. Who they select? Scott Laughton.

1) would we have picked vasy if he fell to 20?

2) when that type goalie is still there what would the risk be to trade up a few spots to get him? So as draft is going maybe you say hey it’s pick 16 or 17 let’s trade up to get this goalie. What’s it gonna cost to move up a few spots? Not much. If vasy were to bust what do you miss out on? A Scott Laughton? Risk vs reward the reward would’ve been huge compared to the risk. Generally these the type players you’re risking.

Agreed. Wallstedt is a stud. If he was on the board it might be tough for them to pass on him. Doubt he is on the board when the Flyers pick. If he is I will be screaming for him.

But I was screaming for Caulfield but they didn’t hear me. Honestly, I’m pretty stoked about York so that takes some of the sting away.
- peesinwind

I was yelling for Cole too. When they traded down I was fine with it to get the extra pick. When they passed 2nd time I was pissed but York type is need too. York should be pp1qb soon and sound defensively. I can see why they did it. Probably more value there than the winger.

Another thought. If wallstedt gone at 14 and they like cossa might be smart to trade back a few spots assuming the forwards they really like are gone. Who’s who at beginning of the 2nd tier players really

Fair enough. Say all three of those guys quit tomorrow to become professional sweater knitters, do you have a team that would move you enough to actively pull for?
- stayinthefnnet

Nah, I'd just fill the time w/ something else entirely until the Flyers draft somebody else that interests me.

You have to remember also that once you have a pretty good goalie generally you’re gonna be a playoff team. So you generally won’t be picking high. Usually you’re gonna be late teens early to mid 20’s. In almost every draft you’re well into the 2nd tier skating players.

Example 2012 draft who picked 19th? Tb selected the stud can’t miss star goalie prospect vasy.

Who picked 20th? Yep your Philadelphia flyers. Who they select? Scott Laughton.

1) would we have picked vasy if he fell to 20?

2) when that type goalie is still there what would the risk be to trade up a few spots to get him? So as draft is going maybe you say hey it’s pick 16 or 17 let’s trade up to get this goalie. What’s it gonna cost to move up a few spots? Not much. If vasy were to bust what do you miss out on? A Scott Laughton? Risk vs reward the reward would’ve been huge compared to the risk. Generally these the type players you’re risking.
- Stayin alive

G went 22 in draft I think

Yeah I posted my goalie drafting theory weeks ago. I’d only do it for the top goalie prospect if rated almost can’t miss. Maybe top 2 some years. Cossa is projected as almost can’t miss too I believe. I’m not necessarily proposing we do it but I wouldn’t be pissed.
- Stayin alive

im all for it. ITs also insurance on hart. Not sure Hart was ever projected to be a top 5 goalie, but most teams that win have a top 5 goalie, or playing at that level

im all for it. ITs also insurance on hart. Not sure Hart was ever projected to be a top 5 goalie, but most teams that win have a top 5 goalie, or playing at that level
- bradster

Hart has excelled at every level. He has been compared to Price and numerous awards and titles. He is projected to be an elite goalie. Now we know some of those goalie picks don’t pan out. Just saying.

I think he is the real deal and I believe the Flyers do also. They won’t panic over last year. He is very young and the team defense in front of him did him no favors. He’ll bounce back.

I was yelling for Cole too. When they traded down I was fine with it to get the extra pick. When they passed 2nd time I was pissed but York type is need too. York should be pp1qb soon and sound defensively. I can see why they did it. Probably more value there than the winger.
- Stayin alive

York was a very good pick. If he becomes a good top 4 Dman, I would hope we would all be happy that we didn't get Caufield. As good as Caufield looks so far, remember, teams haven't really scouted him yet and prepared for him, plus his size will matter, especially in the playoffs. I for one believe York will be a far more valuable player.

Hart has excelled at every level. He has been compared to Price and numerous awards and titles. He is projected to be an elite goalie. Now we know some of those goalie picks don’t pan out. Just saying.

I think he is the real deal and I believe the Flyers do also. They won’t panic over last year. He is very young and the team defense in front of him did him no favors. He’ll bounce back.
- peesinwind

Agreed, he is winner at every level including the world stage. One Covid laced season should not taint what he has accomplished so far and what his upside still is.

fugazi
- THE BLACK HAND

waiting room

Hart has excelled at every level. He has been compared to Price and numerous awards and titles. He is projected to be an elite goalie. Now we know some of those goalie picks don’t pan out. Just saying.

I think he is the real deal and I believe the Flyers do also. They won’t panic over last year. He is very young and the team defense in front of him did him no favors. He’ll bounce back.
- peesinwind

ya, im not saying he wont be good. The only thing ive heard anout him and price is he idolized him as a kid. But i'll believe he will play at a price level when i see it. He needs to learn to play the puck better, it helps the defense immensely when a goalie can come out and pass the puck

Bill Meltzer has documented numerous times why Gostisbehere passed through waivers last season. So your attempt here at taking a shot, falls short of the mark.
- MJL

He passed through waivers because no one wanted him at his current contract. They had to pay to get rid of him. Let that sink in, he wasn't in demand. But hey if Bill said it run with it. Let me guess because of a flat cap right? What a crutch the flat cap has become.

There's another group insult. How many does that make now?
- MJL

quit your bellyaching. Get out of the basement. Go get some fresh air.

York was a very good pick. If he becomes a good top 4 Dman, I would hope we would all be happy that we didn't get Caufield. As good as Caufield looks so far, remember, teams haven't really scouted him yet and prepared for him, plus his size will matter, especially in the playoffs. I for one believe York will be a far more valuable player.
- jd250

all be happy? Are you crazy, theres a few that it makes them happy to complain, so how about we settle for most be happly lol

I'd be pretty pissed off if they do that as well. Unless they're 110% sure his shoulder is destroyed, this should never occur.
- dubc55

Or they have soured on Frost and it isn't shoulder related.

Agreed, he is winner at every level including the world stage. One Covid laced season should not taint what he has accomplished so far and what his upside still is.
- jd250

It's interesting to me how you would give a pass to some player for one covid laced season and kill another player for the same season.

If Fletcher cannot trade this pick for something good, I would trade up in the draft and select McTavish. That kid will be a starter in the top 9 of whichever team drafts him this year!

It's interesting to me how you would give a pass to some player for one covid laced season and kill another player for the same season.
- MJL

What player did I kill?

What player did I kill?
- jd250

Seriously?

If Fletcher cannot trade this pick for something good, I would trade up in the draft and select McTavish. That kid will be a starter in the top 9 of whichever team drafts him this year!
- jd250

Not worth trading up, IMO. I like McTavish and he won't be there at 13th but there are enough decent prospects that will be there at 13th and not enough of a longtime upside gap between them and McTavish to justify expending another asset to move up.

Not worth trading up, IMO. I like McTavish and he won't be there at 13th but there are enough decent prospects that will be there at 13th and not enough of a longtime upside gap between them and McTavish to justify expending another asset to move up.
- bmeltzer

If up to you do you keep it or trade down acquire another asset? Those are the 2 options you have.

ya, im not saying he wont be good. The only thing ive heard anout him and price is he idolized him as a kid. But i'll believe he will play at a price level when i see it. He needs to learn to play the puck better, it helps the defense immensely when a goalie can come out and pass the puck
- bradster

Breaking from his long time sports psychologist in the isolation of a pandemic environment was a mistake on his part...especially since he's made it pretty clear he has used him for so long because he tends to spend too much time in his own head.

Now that they are reunited and he has an offseason under him in a more normalized environment, I expect he'll bounce back some. My only real concern with him is he's a tad small and he can get beat up high more often than I expected.

Not worth trading up, IMO. I like McTavish and he won't be there at 13th but there are enough decent prospects that will be there at 13th and not enough of a longtime upside gap between them and McTavish to justify expending another asset to move up.
- bmeltzer

Ok, good points. Well my first hope is Fletcher can trade the pick, but I like that he has taken a firm stand to not trade it simply for cap relief. I guess in the end getting another really good prospect is not a bad result.

Breaking from his long time sports psychologist in the isolation of a pandemic environment was a mistake on his part...especially since he's made it pretty clear he has used him for so long because he tends to spend too much time in his own head.

Now that they are reunited and he has an offseason under him in a more normalized environment, I expect he'll bounce back some. My only real concern with him is he's a tad small and he can get beat up high more often than I expected.
- juiced

and his puck handling skillls

Seriously?
- MJL

If you are referring to Myers or Patrick, any criticism of them had absolutely NOTHING to do with Covid. I know when players have the goods and when they don't, and these two players IMO don't have the goods and were the worst two players on the Flyers last year, and that is saying something because there was a lot of badness to choose from. Going into last season I am sure you will recall I was very critical of both Patrick and Myers, and you killed me for it. But in the end, Fletcher saw what I saw and they are both gone. As for Hart, he could have played better, no doubt about it, but he was more impacted by the continuous bad, and at times comical, play in front of him. I am banking on Hart rebounding because 1. I think he has the goods and 2. the play in front of him will be much improved.