Yes. I mean if I have top 5 pick I’m not doing it unless that rare case of flower price talent happens to be in that draft (rare) but normally we’re drafting somewhere between 12-25ish range
- Stayin alive

In a cap environment is how it always is. Got to have the cheap ELC and RFA contracts with talented players to field a competitive team. Can’t do it with just FA signings. MJL will preach this until the cows fly. It is across every position. Always trying to find those cheap contracts in your system. That is why you don’t give up the first unless it is for something long term. Chuck said this at the presser. Funny how they disagreed on this.

Yes. I mean if I have top 5 pick I’m not doing it unless that rare case of flower price talent happens to be in that draft (rare) but normally we’re drafting somewhere between 12-25ish range
- Stayin alive

I'm good with that approach. So draft no goalies with the other picks? If you strike gold with a later round goalie do you still pick the top goalie in that 5th year? Or just adjust the cycle accordingly?

Thanks. Maybe 4mil for Sanheim? 5mil for Hart? 2mil for a half decent backup? That leaves us with $2,885,000 for a second line RHD and nothing left to improve our forward group. We'll see what else Fletcher has up his sleeve.
- dubc55

I think it is more in line with
Morin >1mil
Sanheim 4 mil
Hart 3 Mil
Goalie >1.5 mil

Ugh not this again. Your brilliant "theory" would have the best goalie in the league on another team while Jake Oettinger would be holding back the Lightning from even making the playoffs. Gtfoh.
- BenderRodriguez

I see your point. I guess it would have to be a judgment call when that scenario occurs.

Ugh not this again. Your brilliant "theory" would have the best goalie in the league on another team while Jake Oettinger would be holding back the Lightning from even making the playoffs. Gtfoh.
- BenderRodriguez

Sure. K. You make sense. When was hart drafted? 2016. He was the first goalie taken in that draft. Who else did philly take in that draft(in round 1) ? Rubstov. Lmao. Had philly taken hart in round 1 who would they have taken in round 2? Who knows but outcome couldn’t be worse than the way it played out.

Anyways it’s been 5 years. Draft wallstedt if he’s there at 13. Projected as franchise goalie even if you miss and he bust what do you really lose? There is no franchise f or d projected at pick 14. But if drafted and he’s all he’s projected to be you have options in 4-5 years. Hart flops you got stud coming. Hart great you have options. I really don’t get the logic in NOT taking TOP goalie prospect but it’s ok too take whoever leftover at pick 14. You aren’t getting the best d at 14. You aren’t getting the best f at 14. But you can have the best goalie (possibly)

Sure. K. You make sense. When was hart drafted? 2016. He was the first goalie taken in that draft. Who else did philly take in that draft(in round 1) ? Rubstov. Lmao. Had philly taken hart in round 1 who would they have taken in round 2? Who knows but outcome couldn’t be worse than the way it played out.

Anyways it’s been 5 years. Draft wallstedt if he’s there at 13. Projected as franchise goalie even if you miss and he bust what do you really lose? There is no franchise f or d projected at pick 14. But if drafted and he’s all he’s projected to be you have options in 4-5 years. Hart flops you got stud coming. Hart great you have options. I really don’t get the logic in NOT taking TOP goalie prospect but it’s ok too take whoever leftover at pick 14. You aren’t getting the best d at 14. You aren’t getting the best f at 14. But you can have the best goalie (possibly)
- Stayin alive

I would be surprised if he is still there at 13. Do you still go after the other projected top goalie with your 13th pick? What’s your call?

I see your point. I guess it would have to be a judgment call when that scenario occurs.
- dubc55

Yeah I mean I’m only doing it for really good top goalie prospects. Which generally only come along every 4/5 years anyways. That’s why you have to track in that 4-6 year window what goalies coming. Most years it’s just a few good goalies in draft projected. I’m not using the theory on those. Even though in those years usually a few exceed the expectations.

Yeah I mean I’m only doing it for really good top goalie prospects. Which generally only come along every 4/5 years anyways. That’s why you have to track in that 4-6 year window what goalies coming. Most years it’s just a few good goalies in draft projected. I’m not using the theory on those. Even though in those years usually a few exceed the expectations.
- Stayin alive

Good to have a theory. You should track it now from here out to test is validity. May take some 10-12 years but hey why not?

I think it is more in line with
Morin >1mil
Sanheim 4 mil
Hart 3 Mil
Goalie >1.5 mil
- peesinwind

So with those numbers $4,385,000 left for a 2nd line RD and a forward improvement. How long is that Hart deal at 3mil? I have a feeling Hart will get more than that but you never know.

Good to have a theory. You should track it now from here out to test is validity. May take some 10-12 years but hey why not?
- peesinwind

You should be able to test that theory using prior drafts. But it's something I'm going to keep in mind just for fun.

I'm good with that approach. So draft no goalies with the other picks? If you strike gold with a later round goalie do you still pick the top goalie in that 5th year? Or just adjust the cycle accordingly?
- dubc55

Yes exactly. So say like draft hart in ‘16 and he’s developing great like he did and looks to be nhl player. Which he is. Well say in 2018 we’re in round 5 and we like a goalie especially above anyone else there. Yes pick him. It’s now 3 years and he’s developing great and looks to be nhl player probably in couple years. You still make the investment in year 5 from ‘16hart so in 2021 you invest pick 14 on wallstedt.

Now you have hart on bridge deal and the guy from ‘18 coming soon. You can go less term on hart bridge if you want or go like 5 years. And the guy from ‘18 is now on your nhl team in ‘’23. And you have wallstedt developing for 2 years. If wallstedt progressing well now you have 3 good goalies staggered over a 10 year period. You can move 1 or 2 for assets and keep the cycle going. In a 10 year period you would have only invested 2 1st round picks in goalies.

Or if that guy drafted in ‘2018 looks exceptional you can start the cycle from 2018 instead of drafting wallstedt in ‘21 you wait a few years to go round 1 again. But you have to be pretty sure of that guy drafted in 2018 being a 5th round pick.

So with those numbers $4,385,000 left for a RHD and a forward improvement. How long is that Hart deal at 3mil? I have a feeling Hart will get more than that but you never know.
- dubc55

That’s a bridge deal. They got to hold down the cost.

I think a RHD for the 2nd pair is coming. I would be shocked if that doesn’t come. I think Chuck is already on the deal.

I think they need a vet 4C. I remember AV saying they were to young on the 4th line.

I think some of these upgrades will be trades where we give a little to get a little more and take on a little more cap. Just a guess from a guy who is not the smartest guy on here.

You should be able to test that theory using prior drafts. But it's something I'm going to keep in mind just for fun.
- dubc55

That can help but you can search to make it fit your narrative. Use the history to get a hypothesis and then test it. Why not. I’m sure I’ll be around in 10-12 years.

Good to have a theory. You should track it now from here out to test is validity. May take some 10-12 years but hey why not?
- peesinwind

I did track it. I showed from 2005 when price was drafted. I started there because price was a can’t miss goalie. I showed how how there were really high goalie prospects (rask) (vasy) etc about every 5 years. You can track over a 2 year period for any position. For example beniers is the projected top f this year(‘21) who’s the projected top forward next year? Wright(‘22)
Goalies can be “on radar” same way. For example vasy didn’t come out of nowhere. It was said for at least a year he was gonna be stud goalie. Yet where was he picked? Teams refuse to draft goalies even the highly can’t miss prospects in round 1. Take advantage of it until teams start drafting them again

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This year cossa? Idk. Honestly he’s rated pretty high. Honestly if he projected as can’t miss then yes he fits the theory. Usually it’s only 1 goalie sometimes 2. Idk if he’s rated that high tbh.

Good to have a theory. You should track it now from here out to test is validity. May take some 10-12 years but hey why not?
- peesinwind

I mean can track this year because hart drafted 5 years ago. If wallstedt or possibly cossa become studs well there you go. I’m sure in time some posters will be like hey swami whatever happened to that goalie theory if they bust out. Lol I know I’ll be saying in a few years remember that goalie theory if they hit.

That can help but you can search to make it fit your narrative. Use the history to get a hypothesis and then test it. Why not. I’m sure I’ll be around in 10-12 years.
- peesinwind

It’s easy to test the theory by the past picks. We know who was really highly considered to be top goalie prospects. For example in ‘16 hart was projected top 1 or 2 goalie prospect. Was he as hyped as vasy was in prior draft? No he wasn’t. You can’t just plug in results to fit a narrative. We know who was the talk of the draft at goalie position in past draft. Just like we know the top 2 this year wallstedt 1 cossa 2. Even tho draft hasn’t happened. It’s not like forwards or defense where many players in multiple spots on ice. It’s very specific in goal.

This theory ONLY applies to goalie position

I mean can track this year because hart drafted 5 years ago. If wallstedt or possibly cossa become studs well there you go. I’m sure in time some posters will be like hey swami whatever happened to that goalie theory if they bust out. Lol I know I’ll be saying in a few years remember that goalie theory if they hit.
- Stayin alive

Well, take who they can get. Your playing as the Flyers. If he is off the charts do you go with Cossa? Your call or do you wait.

Forget the cats who would criticize you. Follow through on your theory. Just remember most of those people who criticize on here never have the guts or the intelligence to put together their own theory. They just feel better trying to make others feel worse then the feel. 😆

It’s easy to test the theory by the past picks. We know who was really highly considered to be top goalie prospects. For example in ‘16 hart was projected top 1 or 2 goalie prospect. Was he as hyped as vasy was in prior draft? No he wasn’t. You can’t just plug in results to fit a narrative. We know who was the talk of the draft at goalie position in past draft. Just like we know the top 2 this year wallstedt 1 cossa 2. Even tho draft hasn’t happened. It’s not like forwards or defense where many players in multiple spots on ice. It’s very specific in goal.

This theory ONLY applies to goalie position
- Stayin alive

Using what you know about the past to project the future.

Honestly, I leave it up to the professionals. But it’s fun to predict things. It keeps me sharp...at least it means I’m not dead👍

Like I said. I predict that they are going to get a 2RHD and a veteran 4C. In a couple weeks I will know if I’m right or if I missed it.

And again I just read other people’s thoughts and what AV and CF said. Then I can think what I feel is likely. Or what I want to happen.

Makes it fun. What ever.

Well, take who they can get. Your playing as the Flyers. If he is off the charts do you go with Cossa? Your call or do you wait.

Forget the cats who would criticize you. Follow through on your theory. Just remember most of those people who criticize on here never have the guts or the intelligence to put together their own theory. They just feel better trying to make others feel worse then the feel. 😆
- peesinwind

Honestly if flyers have cossa rated as almost can’t miss and wallstedt is gone I think it’s perfect time to take the goalie. Again usually it’s only 1 per draft goalie that ranked that high ill freely admit I haven’t seen a lot of cossa and even tho he’s highly talked about I haven’t really looked into a lot of reports on him I’m sure the scouts have their opinions. If the pick was cossa and the scouts came out and said look this guy is as good as wallstedt and he’s a can’t miss guy is trust the scouts.

Honestly if flyers have cossa rated as almost can’t miss and wallstedt is gone I think it’s perfect time to take the goalie. Again usually it’s only 1 per draft goalie that ranked that high ill freely admit I haven’t seen a lot of cossa and even tho he’s highly talked about I haven’t really looked into a lot of reports on him I’m sure the scouts have their opinions. If the pick was cossa and the scouts came out and said look this guy is as good as wallstedt and he’s a can’t miss guy is trust the scouts.
- Stayin alive

Just to throw something in there. If you take Cossa then the Flyers lose who ever they pick instead if it is another pick. Just food for thought.

Using what you know about the past to project the future.

Honestly, I leave it up to the professionals. But it’s fun to predict things. It keeps me sharp...at least it means I’m not dead👍
- peesinwind

With all that said I’m not pounding the table to take even wallstedt. I mean if he’s there I think they should take him and invest but I know that highly unlikely. So I’d love Lysell but he’ll probably be gone too. Or chaz. Who might be gone too. Beyond those 3 I really don’t have a preference. Haven’t watched or kept up with prospects like normal this past year or so. I do know I don’t want them trading the pick unless it’s bringing an elite talent.

Just to throw something in there. If you take Cossa then the Flyers lose who ever they pick instead if it is another pick. Just food for thought.
- peesinwind

Yep. That’s why I said this is an once every about 5 year thing this theory of investing in goalie futures.

With all that said I’m not pounding the table to take even wallstedt. I mean if he’s there I think they should take him and invest but I know that highly unlikely. So I’d love Lysell but he’ll probably be gone too. Or chaz. Who might be gone too. Beyond those 3 I really don’t have a preference. Haven’t watched or kept up with prospects like normal this past year or so. I do know I don’t want them trading the pick unless it’s bringing an elite talent.
- Stayin alive

Agreed. Wallstedt is a stud. If he was on the board it might be tough for them to pass on him. Doubt he is on the board when the Flyers pick. If he is I will be screaming for him.

But I was screaming for Caulfield but they didn’t hear me. Honestly, I’m pretty stoked about York so that takes some of the sting away.