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SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 22 @ 6:01 PM ET
It's addition by subtraction. Like other have said, they can still that 2nd back. Who cares about the 7th.

So far

In: Ellis

Out: Myers, Patrick, and Ghost.

I'm ok with it.

- Pelle31Forever

You don’t have a choice. You have to be ok with it.
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jul 22 @ 6:06 PM ET
As a salary dump….yup. Fletch said two other teams in on Ghost asked for York, while the other asked for #13 Friday night.
- landros 2

Wow thats crazy...thats how valuable CAP SPACE is now. Remember 2 yrs ago fans saying how the Ghost contract was going to look like a steal in yrs 3 and 4...little did we know would be a steal for Arizona. With 13M in space would think 3.5M to Sanheim...3M to Hart...1.5M to a backup goalie..leaves about 5M left. Could add helpful players but none of impact. We are going to be dependent on a lot of bounce back years, JVR and JV forgetting that we didnt want them and guys like Allison and Frost contributing. AV will earn his $$ next yr
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 6:08 PM ET
Wow thats crazy...thats how valuable CAP SPACE is now. Remember 2 yrs ago fans saying how the Ghost contract was going to look like a steal in yrs 3 and 4...little did we know would be a steal for Arizona. With 13M in space would think 3.5M to Sanheim...3M to Hart...1.5M to a backup goalie..leaves about 5M left. Could add helpful players but none of impact. We are going to be dependent on a lot of bounce back years, JVR and JV forgetting that we didnt want them and guys like Allison and Frost contributing. AV will earn his $$ next yr
- hfc355


Sanheim will get more than 3.5M.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jul 22 @ 6:11 PM ET
When Hayes was at his best last season, he had TK/Laughton/Farabee/Lindblom as his wingers. No version of that line was particularly physical...
- PT21


I liked him with Laughton who is somewhat gritty, certainly more so than Farabee currently. I would rather TK just center the line when playing with Hayes.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 22 @ 6:13 PM ET
Sanheim will get more than 3.5M.
- MJL

4.25 to 5.25 million for Sanheim depending on contract length.


Edit: 3 to 4 million for Hart.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jul 22 @ 6:13 PM ET
It crushes itself. Flyers aren't going to trade Allison in that scenario.
- MJL

Yea, Allison already being compared to Tim Kerr
hfc355
Joined: 06.17.2013

Jul 22 @ 6:16 PM ET
Yea, Allison already being compared to Tim Kerr
- THE EVIL WITHIN

Yeah and Provorov was Lidstrom...Morin was Pronger..Ghost was Leetch...love those comparisons
Bayareaflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.10.2008

Jul 22 @ 6:17 PM ET
4.25 to 5.25 million for Sanheim depending on contract length.
- Sinisalo4vr


I would offer no more than 4x$4M
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 22 @ 6:18 PM ET
I would offer no more than 4x$4M
- Bayareaflyer

Then he's probably doing a one year deal.
Bayareaflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.10.2008

Jul 22 @ 6:20 PM ET
Then he's probably doing a one year deal.
- Sinisalo4vr

that would be ok
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jul 22 @ 6:21 PM ET
No. Just calling out poor asset management when I see it. If the Flyers go all in and win the cup obviously it will be worth it. But this team isn't close to contending and much closer to being a cap team that isn't a true contender.
- StepfordSam

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 22 @ 6:22 PM ET
4.25 to 5.25 million for Sanheim depending on contract length.


Edit: 3 to 4 million for Hart.

- Sinisalo4vr



4.25M for Sanheim seems right. That seems a tad high for Hart.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 22 @ 6:22 PM ET
at first i thought you guys got a second for ghost and i almost broke my computer.

love this move or hate it?
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 22 @ 6:22 PM ET
Then we need to hope:

- a healthy Frost
- a full off-season
- a year of maturity for the young guys
- adding Ellis

....are enough. Oof. But not impossible.

- DrMidnite



As was one poster points out you can’t trade your way out of mediocracy….or sign UFA’s….You have to have your young guys produce in the salary cap era. The biggest disappointment last year for me wasn’t Vorecek, it wasn’t G or even Coot’s drop in play after what was a career year before.
The biggest disappointment were guys like Hart, Patrick, Konecny, Sanheim, Myers and their regression….was it the players ? Coaches? System? Covid ? What ever it was it sank their season. Fletch has addressed some of them but you can’t trade all your young guys….these guys have to produce.
THE BLACK HAND
Joined: 06.09.2021

Jul 22 @ 6:27 PM ET
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 22 @ 6:27 PM ET
You don’t have a choice. You have to be ok with it.
- SuperSchennBros


But I don't have to agree with it. However, I do.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Jul 22 @ 6:28 PM ET
Sanheim will get more than 3.5M.
- MJL


I was also thinking Hart will get more than 3.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 22 @ 6:30 PM ET
Then we need to hope:

- a healthy Frost
- a full off-season
- a year of maturity for the young guys
- adding Ellis

....are enough. Oof. But not impossible.

- DrMidnite



He has room to still add a couple pieces still.
THE EVIL WITHIN
Location: NJ
Joined: 11.20.2017

Jul 22 @ 6:31 PM ET
4.25M for Sanheim seems right. That seems a tad high for Hart.
- MJL

Ugh Sanheim looked worse several times last season than Myers
Bayareaflyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.10.2008

Jul 22 @ 6:34 PM ET
Ugh Sanheim looked worse several times last season than Myers
- THE EVIL WITHIN

If I performed like he did in my job I would not get a raise
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 22 @ 6:36 PM ET
No actually Ghost was pretty consistent last year for being on a team that was subpar. It was the season before that Ghost played himself out of the line up and practically sat the entire playoffs. When Ghost was waived, he shouldn’t have been. In fact I believe it cost us a win against Buffalo by him being out of the line up.
- SuperSchennBros


Wasn’t he a healthy scratch as well? Obviously you don’t think he should have been waived because that would mean he was not playing well. Your original post was that ghost was having a “very good year”….not pretty consistent, which I also disagree with. To be fair I thought Ghost was steady down the stretch and I was actually hoping he could use that as a spring board for this year if they couldn’t find a taker and find his PP swagger again. I guess Chuck had seen enough.
Sinisalo4vr
Location: Dont f with the Jesus, PA
Joined: 06.24.2016

Jul 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
4.25M for Sanheim seems right. That seems a tad high for Hart.
- MJL

Might be higher depending on how many RFA/UFA years you want to buy out.
peesinwind
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: columbia, MD
Joined: 06.27.2015

Jul 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
4.25 to 5.25 million for Sanheim depending on contract length.


Edit: 3 to 4 million for Hart.

- Sinisalo4vr



Maybe. The market is tough right now. Guys won’t be getting the raises the were used to. Depending on term but I’m guessing 3.75-4.25 for 4-5 years.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Jul 22 @ 6:37 PM ET
Ugh Sanheim looked worse several times last season than Myers
- THE EVIL WITHIN


A minus 22 season…and he gets a raise…welcome to the new NHL.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Jul 22 @ 6:39 PM ET
As was one poster points out you can’t trade your way out of mediocracy….or sign UFA’s….You have to have your young guys produce in the salary cap era. The biggest disappointment last year for me wasn’t Vorecek, it wasn’t G or even Coot’s drop in play after what was a career year before.
The biggest disappointment were guys like Hart, Patrick, Konecny, Sanheim, Myers and their regression….was it the players ? Coaches? System? Covid ? What ever it was it sank their season. Fletch has addressed some of them but you can’t trade all your young guys….these guys have to produce.

- landros 2


Well said, thanks
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