My wife is quietly passed at me over weight loss (in a joking way). She bought into a weight loss program last year and is now down 40 pounds. In January I decided to do it my way...cut back on the snacks...walk the dog for am hour a day......and ride the new stationary bike we bought for 30 minutes a day (45 on weekends). I have dropped 30 pounds and the Mrs. Is pissed at me for catching up to her so quickly! Lol
- bullethead7

Good for both of you, it takes a lot to change they body that much.

I can't believe we were lied to.

Just can't trust random people on the internet these days.

https://twitter.com/PuckR...Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse

I still think it was a mistake to not go 7 forwards and 3 defense. Protect kerfoot and McCann, then trade kerfoot. There's no way Holl has more value than kerfoot and I doubt they would've taken Holl, they'd probably take Dermott. Regardless of who they take from Holl or Dermott, the remaining guy plays with muzzin in the top 4. Just seems like bad asset management from Dubas.
- matt1337

This makes some sense to me. However, I believe Dubas already has a prearranged deal sitting on the back burner? Let's see how things break over the next few days of the expansion and entry level drafts.

I think they use McCann on LW.

Still will get a C.

Bunting-AM-Marner
McCann-JT-Nylander
Engvall-Dvorak-Mikheyev
Robertson-Brooks-Spezza
- Santo_44

Why the hell would the Leafs want Dvorak. He sucks and his contract sucks, he's a higher paid Kerfoot

I can't believe we were lied to.

Just can't trust random people on the internet these days.

https://twitter.com/PuckR...Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
- Leafs43

Kraken cleanup in fish aisle. Cleanup in the fish aisle.

Buddy, Kerfoot is trending on Twitter in Canada. Shoot a cleanup take quick. Who knows who they take but letting that shot out was a boo boo.

What stats would that be?
- Fakepartofme

Muzzin-Holl 5v5

53% of the shots on goal
55.6% of the expected goals
Outscored opposition 42-30
Started in offensive zone 46% of the play

Find a $2M replacement

Kraken cleanup in fish aisle. Cleanup in the fish aisle.

Buddy, Kerfoot is trending on Twitter in Canada. Shoot a cleanup take quick. Who knows who they take but letting that shot out was a boo boo.
- Canada Cup

I have a feeling they will take Mccann.

I'm really excited to hear about how we gave up Mccann, Hallander, and a 7th instead of Kerfoot for the next two months from people who can't understand the concept of a net result from a decision.

Muzzin-Holl 5v5

53% of the shots on goal
55.6% of the expected goals
Outscored opposition 42-30
Started in offensive zone 46% of the play

Find a $2M replacement
- Canada Cup

But if Muzzin gets hurt. Holl reverts to a bottom pairing defenseman. Holl has only ever proven to be good with Muzzin.

I think it would be better to invest a little more to get a guy like Larsson. Larsson would presumably not rely on Muzzin to be a top 4 defender.

But if Muzzin gets hurt. Holl reverts to a bottom pairing defenseman. Holl has only ever proven to be good with Muzzin.

I think it would be better to invest a little more to get a guy like Larsson. Larsson would presumably not rely on Muzzin to be a top 4 defender.
- Leafs43

Larsson would be a definite upgrade on Holl. But he'll cost at least double his AAV. Maybe 5 mil even.

Larsson would be a definite upgrade on Holl. But he'll cost at least double his AAV.
- gergeswillems

I was hoping for 3.5.

But 4 is probably realistic. Personally - I take him at that amount. We can even hold onto Holl if people love him so much.

It would mean shopping the bargain bin for LWers for the top two lines - but those guys shouldn't need expensive players anyway.

Edit: If he wants 5, I'm out.

I have a feeling they will take Mccann.

I'm really excited to hear about how we gave up Mccann, Hallander, and a 7th instead of Kerfoot for the next two months from people who can't understand the concept of a net result from a decision.
- Leafs43

Well, from a literal perspective you lose all 3. It's just not cumulative asset wise and that seems to be a struggle.

Even bringing up Hallander and the 7th at this point is nothing but a validation exercise some use to minimize the loss. What you have to lose is Jared McCann.

If the way the cookie crumbled they had to lose Jake Muzzin, no one would be going meh they're just losing Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom and a draft pick.

I was hoping for 3.5.

But 4 is probably realistic. Personally - I take him at that amount. We can even hold onto Holl if people love him so much.

It would mean shopping the bargain bin for LWers for the top two lines - but those guys shouldn't need expensive players anyway.

Edit: If he wants 5, I'm out.
- Leafs43

GM's get crazy in UFA. Most get overpaid unless the player likes where he is and takes less than what other teams are offering. I've heard rumours of Larsson willing to take less to stay in Edmonton but this could be wishful thinking from Oilers fans.

Well, from a literal perspective you lose all 3. It's just not cumulative asset wise and that seems to be a struggle.

Even bringing up Hallander and the 7th at this point is nothing but a validation exercise some use to minimize the loss. What you have to lose is Jared McCann.

If the way the cookie crumbled they had to lose Jake Muzzin, no one would be going meh they're just losing Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom and a draft pick.
- joel878

The choice was Mccann/Kerfoot or Holl.

They chose Holl. I don't like the choice, but I see the logic if they believe Holl can continue to be effective in a top 4 role for only 2 million. But I would have left him exposed.

My issue is with people who are screeching "bad asset management" over the trade. It's not.

No.
- Fakepartofme

Yes.

The choice was Mccann/Kerfoot or Holl.

They chose Holl. I don't like the choice, but I see the logic if they believe Holl can continue to be effective in a top 4 role for only 2 million. But I would have left him exposed.

My issue is with people who are screeching "bad asset management" over the trade. It's not.
- Leafs43

Well technically it would have been Kerfoot and McCann, or Holl.

That's where the poor asset management bit has a tiny bit of validity...

I can't believe we were lied to.

Just can't trust random people on the internet these days.

https://twitter.com/PuckR...Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
- Leafs43

poopty. Unless they went back after and did this lol.

I mean it makes sense.

Larsson would be a definite upgrade on Holl. But he'll cost at least double his AAV. Maybe 5 mil even.
- gergeswillems

Reports were 3.9m x 4 years with EDM

We can go 4.25m👍

"I've lost all critical perspective" . . .that's in Rivers. Different album!
Both great.
- Monkeypunk

Yeah, I know - I'm actually a pretty big Puppy fan but "Smothered Hope" is a favourite of mine and also apropos to my Leafy feelings.

There's also an industrial track that begins with the "I've lost all critical perspective" quote and I can't, for the life of me, remember who or what the song was.

I was hoping for 3.5.

But 4 is probably realistic. Personally - I take him at that amount. We can even hold onto Holl if people love him so much.

It would mean shopping the bargain bin for LWers for the top two lines - but those guys shouldn't need expensive players anyway.

Edit: If he wants 5, I'm out.
- Leafs43

I just assumed that Larsson would get Brodie-type money, no?

Leafs would have to really skimp on the needs up front and/or in net if they are adding AAV to the blue line.

The choice was Mccann/Kerfoot or Holl.

They chose Holl. I don't like the choice, but I see the logic if they believe Holl can continue to be effective in a top 4 role for only 2 million. But I would have left him exposed.

My issue is with people who are screeching "bad asset management" over the trade. It's not.
- Leafs43

I would have exposed holl also, because I want them to sign Hamilton..and if not him, id settle for Larsson.

but I understand why they didnt. The options to replace a RHD who plays in the top 4 for 2 mil is ...almost imposible

I just assumed that Larsson would get Brodie-type money, no?

Leafs would have to really skimp on the needs up front and/or in net if they are adding AAV to the blue line.
- The Law

I am far from an expert.

My understanding is he is a good defender. Doesn't offer much in the offense department. Could pair him with Muzzin for super shut down pair - or you could keep Muzzin/Holl together and pair Larsson with Sandin to cover for his inevitable screw ups.

I didn't think he would get Brodie $$$. But it's UFA, and I don't know sh!t, so he certainly could.

Well, from a literal perspective you lose all 3. It's just not cumulative asset wise and that seems to be a struggle.

Even bringing up Hallander and the 7th at this point is nothing but a validation exercise some use to minimize the loss. What you have to lose is Jared McCann.

If the way the cookie crumbled they had to lose Jake Muzzin, no one would be going meh they're just losing Sean Durzi, Carl Grundstrom and a draft pick.
- joel878

The expansion draft was happening regardless. They were losing Kerfoot. If they lost 3 assets the you have to include the asset they gained.

Well technically it would have been Kerfoot and McCann, or Holl.

That's where the poor asset management bit has a tiny bit of validity...
- joel878

Can only lose one of Kerfoot or Mccann. So you are either deciding to lose Kerfoot/Mccann or Holl.

Either way. Great trade. Poor choice on the protection list as far as I'm concerned.

Can only lose one of Kerfoot or Mccann. So you are either deciding to lose Kerfoot/Mccann or Holl.

Either way. Great trade. Poor choice on the protection list as far as I'm concerned.
- Leafs43

Agreed. Although like most I understand the Holl decision. Not sure I would have made the same choice but I understand it.

I have a feeling they will take Mccann.

I'm really excited to hear about how we gave up Mccann, Hallander, and a 7th instead of Kerfoot for the next two months from people who can't understand the concept of a net result from a decision.
- Leafs43

That's not the math in this case.

Leafs gave up Hallander & a 7th to keep Kerfoot.

So the question is ... do you not think Kerfoot is not worth Hallander and a 7th?