- Garnie

It was funny even by Wedgie standards

Breath into a paper bag
- Canada Cup

Why? I want to enjoy this high as long as I possibly ca-... wait, it's gone.

As per the latest edition of the playoffs, it's pretty clear Price matters to that franchise... A lot. Putting him out there to risk losing him for nothing is a huge gamble for them. Making it out unscathed is a win.
- joel878

Maybe Price is sad he didn’t get picked.

And his wife is even sadder.

Why? I want to enjoy this high as long as I possibly ca-... wait, it's gone.
- mjones242

Make a list of power forwards stat

Dermott takes his spot, liljegren or a 6th D for a mil on the 3rd pairing.
- matt1337

Xgf% Muzzin/Holl last 2 years 51%

Xgf% Muzzin/Dermott last 2 years 45%


Yeah no thanks.

Are we going to find a cheaper, better replacement than Kerf? Now I'm back to excited!
- mjones242

They will get some great value for him that's for sure.

Can’t believe we lost Hallander and a 7th in the expansion draft.
#firedubas
#imjoking
#someidiotsarentjoking

Make a list of power forwards stat
- Canada Cup

I hear Power Forward Mike Hoffman is available.

It was funny even by Wedgie standards
- Canada Cup

Yep, pretty punny.

Can’t believe we lost Hallander and a 7th in the expansion draft.
#firedubas
#imjoking
#someidiotsarentjoking


- .HOHO.

What about Ryder, Halak and a 2nd?

Apparently Giordano might be being flipped to the Rangers.

The Hakstol thing is irrelevant, he may have a voice but he isn't the GM. He knows every player on the leafs, how does anyone know he doesn't prefer Dermott at 500k cheaper to Holl?

I think by the time this list is finalized it's going to be clear as day that Holl wouldn't have even made their lineup. At that point it's a pretty easy gamble they weren't taking him at 2 million to press box him.

There's a lot of GMs who rolled the dice and didn't lose out here and every single one of them had better players to dangle than Justin Holl.
- joel878

Jesus, grass is always greener, much?

McCann would have been nice to have, and I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. The advantage of McCann over Kerfoot or Holl is not drastically making the difference in the playoffs or this roster.

Looking at what Seattle has drafted, if we had gone 7/3/1 and protected McCann we likely would have lost Kerfoot and still have Holl - I think that's a safe assumption based on who Seattle has signed. But Holl is still a very effective 3rd pairing option, so maybe he'd have gone.

The fact that half of us were fine with losing Holl and half of us were fine with losing Kerfoot means that neither of these guys are particularly valuable in the grand equation. Holl's value is his cheap cap hit and ability to play top-4 adequately. Kerfoot's value is his flexibility. McCann had the same role value that Kerfoot had.

There was grand master stroke plan that was going to be executed here. Any one of these 3 guys are players we, as fans, would likely have wanted to upgrade from anyway.

Can’t believe we lost Hallander and a 7th in the expansion draft.
#firedubas
#imjoking
#someidiotsarentjoking


- .HOHO.

And we didnt gain any cap space.
But the roster remains the same.....for now.

Apparently Giordano might be being flipped to the Rangers.
- BINGO!

Ooohh trades.
Noice.

new blog everyone

Xgf% Muzzin/Holl last 2 years 51%

Xgf% Muzzin/Dermott last 2 years 45%


Yeah no thanks.
- Santo_44

33 mins isn’t much to base anything off.

Jesus, grass is always greener, much?

McCann would have been nice to have, and I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. The advantage of McCann over Kerfoot or Holl is not drastically making the difference in the playoffs or this roster.

Looking at what Seattle has drafted, if we had gone 7/3/1 and protected McCann we likely would have lost Kerfoot and still have Holl - I think that's a safe assumption based on who Seattle has signed. But Holl is still a very effective 3rd pairing option, so maybe he'd have gone.

The fact that half of us were fine with losing Holl and half of us were fine with losing Kerfoot means that neither of these guys are particularly valuable in the grand equation. Holl's value is his cheap cap hit and ability to play top-4 adequately. Kerfoot's value is his flexibility. McCann had the same role value that Kerfoot had.

There was grand master stroke plan that was going to be executed here. Any one of these 3 guys are players we, as fans, would likely have wanted to upgrade from anyway.
- Monkeypunk

Kerfoot has been great in the past two playoffs. We need him...but we also need the cap space.
McCann is cheaper for one year and seems like a better, younger version of Kerfoot. Both would have been potentially great for the playoffs. McCann could play up and down the line up.
Holl, had a decent beginning to the reg season then fell off, wasnt that great in the playoffs.
For 2m, you probably could have replaced holl....or at least close to what he brings.
Or flip one of McCann or Kerfoot to improve the D and replace holl with someone better to play with muzzin.

I agree with you. Mccann would have been my pick.

I am happy we have both Holl and Kerfoot today.

I don't want to see Kerfoot a Leaf next season though, I fully expect him to be traded.
- Santo_44

this doesn't make much sense.. In all honesty, if the Leafs were steadfast on going 4-4-1 and protecting Holl, why even make the trade for McCann?
I would be happy if it was just Kerfoot we lost.


It ends up like this;

Seattle gets McCann
Pittsburgh gets a 7th rd pick in 2023 and Hallander
Leafs get Kerfoot?

this doesn't make much sense.. In all honesty, if the Leafs were steadfast on going 4-4-1 and protecting Holl, why even make the trade for McCann?
I would be happy if it was just Kerfoot we lost.


It ends up like this;

Seattle gets McCann
Pittsburgh gets a 7th rd pick in 2023 and Hallander
Leafs get Kerfoot?
- PatC80

Because Leafs get to keep Kerfoot and lose Hallinder instead.

Kerfoot has more value than Hallinder and a 7th.

33 mins isn’t much to base anything off.
- Garnie

Dermott in theory and practice has never been able to play top 4 mins. He was bad with Muzzin too.

He is a 1.5M 3rd pairing D.

There is value in having a 2M D capable of producing results in the top 4.

Jesus, grass is always greener, much?

McCann would have been nice to have, and I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. The advantage of McCann over Kerfoot or Holl is not drastically making the difference in the playoffs or this roster.

Looking at what Seattle has drafted, if we had gone 7/3/1 and protected McCann we likely would have lost Kerfoot and still have Holl - I think that's a safe assumption based on who Seattle has signed. But Holl is still a very effective 3rd pairing option, so maybe he'd have gone.

The fact that half of us were fine with losing Holl and half of us were fine with losing Kerfoot means that neither of these guys are particularly valuable in the grand equation. Holl's value is his cheap cap hit and ability to play top-4 adequately. Kerfoot's value is his flexibility. McCann had the same role value that Kerfoot had.

There was grand master stroke plan that was going to be executed here. Any one of these 3 guys are players we, as fans, would likely have wanted to upgrade from anyway.
- Monkeypunk

I never said it was a drastic improvement. But it is an opportunity to improve for cheaper, and when you're committed to your top heavy group you have to take advantage of that.

IF the leafs didnt have 40m tied up in 4 forwards, I dont believe Holl would be in the top 6.. he'd be the 7th/8th dman.
- Fakepartofme

This is something that I've been frustrated about with Leafs fans (OK, I'm specifically talking about my brother).

That may very well be true.

But here we are, so the question that needs to be asked is:

Is Holl a good fit, considering we can't afford anyone better?

I think the answer is yes.

I really dont get this. Its one thing to disagree with the expansion list but to not see any value in having Holl at 2M blows my mind.

The Muzzin-Holl pairing is effective. All of you were complaining about scoring and D from the forwards and keeping Holl allows them to add there. Maybe Dubas is smarter than all of us.
- Santo_44

Because Holl without Muzzin is just not good. Dermott can replace him.and probably do just as well, plus he's younger and cheaper. Who knows if they would've selected Holl in the first place if he was exposed. Maybe they go Dermott and then we still have Holl. I'm sure Hakstol knows Holl is better with Muzzin than without.

Jesus, grass is always greener, much?

McCann would have been nice to have, and I would have preferred him to Kerfoot. The advantage of McCann over Kerfoot or Holl is not drastically making the difference in the playoffs or this roster.

Looking at what Seattle has drafted, if we had gone 7/3/1 and protected McCann we likely would have lost Kerfoot and still have Holl - I think that's a safe assumption based on who Seattle has signed. But Holl is still a very effective 3rd pairing option, so maybe he'd have gone.

The fact that half of us were fine with losing Holl and half of us were fine with losing Kerfoot means that neither of these guys are particularly valuable in the grand equation. Holl's value is his cheap cap hit and ability to play top-4 adequately. Kerfoot's value is his flexibility. McCann had the same role value that Kerfoot had.

There was grand master stroke plan that was going to be executed here. Any one of these 3 guys are players we, as fans, would likely have wanted to upgrade from anyway.
- Monkeypunk

But but but, they could have prote ted Kerfoot and McCann if they went 7-3-1

Xgf% Muzzin/Holl last 2 years 51%

Xgf% Muzzin/Dermott last 2 years 45%


Yeah no thanks.
- Santo_44

Last 2 years when Dermott was still young and needing experience? I don't think we can look at just that. Also, how much time did Muzzin-Dermott really play together? Give them a full season and those numbers are probably closer to Muzzin-Holl, while saving 500k and a 5 year age difference.