I just meant the cap hit we need to take on to replace him. I’m a leaf fan and money means zero to me....sure we can eat money and trade but it’s not like we have tons of cap space.
- Garnie

Well there are a bunch of teams out there who are thinking money first right now.

Kerfoot is the perfect player for said team. Arizona has other players with low cap hits/high owed money.

Hyman hasn't won 2 Cups. I guess Dubas doesn't want players who've won Cups? Keep doing the Dubie Plan. It's going great. Maybe bring Jumbo Joke back. 👍
- gergeswillems

Killorn was good in the 1st Cup run and was absolutely fantastic in the 2nd run. Definitely underrated and I think he'd be more than fine as a Hyman replacement.

I don't see it happening though.

What I don't get is how Holl has turned into some kind of unicorn Top 4 D who is cheap and effective to some on these boards.

I strongly believe he is one of those things and it ain't the latter.

Holl's play seemed to slip as the season progressed and as opponents started to tighten up their game.

Your thoughts regarding the potential 3.2M we could use to spend on a superior Top 4 defender (Oleksiak?) is very well stated.

We're putting a lot of faith in Holl and I think a lot of if it has to do with Muzzin carrying that pairing -and- falling in love with Holl's contract.
- mjones242

Don’t go stealing my unicorn line. It’s not love with Holl at all. It’s making do in a place that doesn’t need to be fixed in order to spend money elsewhere. Things are tight (for reasons we all understand) so you need to pick your shots. I’d rather leave this one alone simply because it’s working.

Looks like Hall is signing in Boston around 4 years 6 million AAV
- RickJames77

That's phenomenal.

Killorn was good in the 1st Cup run and was absolutely fantastic in the 2nd run. Definitely underrated and I think he'd be more than fine as a Hyman replacement.

I don't see it happening though.
- mjones242

Next years 1st and they can have both Mccann and Kerfoot

I think you have to be careful with TB players. I think most would be far worse on other teams.
- Santo_44

Killorn has been a leader on Tampa for years. It's more than just stats with him. I think JBB would trade Palat before him anyway. Palat has 1 year left on his contract. Easier to move.

Damn. That's an affordable cap hit...
- joel878

I love the term, too.

And hey, if we fall off a cliff next year I’ll get to see Shane Wright in the spoked B!

Don’t go stealing my unicorn line. It’s not love with Holl at all. It’s making do in a place that doesn’t need to be fixed in order to spend money elsewhere. Things are tight (for reasons we all understand) so you need to pick your shots. I’d rather leave this one alone simply because it’s working.
- Canada Cup

You keep saying these words and I keep disagreeing with them.

You can find any number of suitable forwards to complement our Core 4. If you can upgrade Holl by spending 1.5-2M you do it.

Looks like Hall is signing in Boston around 4 years 6 million AAV
- RickJames77

Good value.

Valid point. For me, yes. The second pair is a lot more critical of a position when allocating money, and I trust a Larsson when push comes to shove a lot more than I trust a Holl.

If you're purely going on that tradeoff alone without any further cap considerations, that means Engvall becomes your 3C over Kerfoot. And yeah... I like Engvall and Larsson more than I like Kerfoot and Holl.

But that's also prior to the remaining 8 (or so) million in cap space remaining being allocated.

To each their own. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

Agreed, have a guy making $2m playing 21 mins a night while we have forwards making $7m playing 16

Better off to have better players playing more mins.

Trade Holl and Nylander - sign Hamilton and find a cheaper winger to only play 16 mins


Go Leafs Go

Frank Seravalli is saying the Kraken are closing in on contracts with Oleksiak and Larsson.

Ffs.

Well there are a bunch of teams out there who are thinking money first right now.

Kerfoot is the perfect player for said team. Arizona has other players with low cap hits/high owed money.
- Santo_44

Who dat be?

Low cap hits but big salary?

Frank Seravelli is saying the Kraken are closing in on contracts with Oleksiak and Larsson.

Ffs.
- mjones242

Oleksiak is going to get paid. I think every single team has him on their wishlist

This fan included

Frank Seravalli is saying the Kraken are closing in on contracts with Oleksiak and Larsson.

Ffs.
- mjones242

Their defense is already better than ours😢

You keep saying these words and I keep disagreeing with them.

You can find any number of suitable forwards to complement our Core 4. If you can upgrade Holl by spending 1.5-2M you do it.
- mjones242

The opposition is outshot, outchanced, outscored when Muzzin-Holl is on the ice even though they get the majority of the starts if their own end. What more do you want from them?

I love the term, too.

And hey, if we fall off a cliff next year I’ll get to see Shane Wright in the spoked B!
- RickJames77

Because that's exactly what Boston needs to make up for their years of RFA's folding them over a barrel into crazy cost contracts.

A bargain.

Agreed, have a guy making $2m playing 21 mins a night while we have forwards making $7m playing 16

Better off to have better players playing more mins.

Trade Holl and Marner - sign Hamilton and find a cheaper winger to only play 16 mins


Go Leafs Go
- Garnie

Agreed.

(*fixed)

Who dat be?

Low cap hits but big salary?
- Garnie

Dvorak, Kuemper, Pitlick, Crouse, Larsson.

The 1st 2 is who I am interested in but the next 3 are decent bottom 6 options.

Nope, don't make the trade.
- bobbyisno1

Ahhh I see, who plays 3c or 2w where Kerfoot was?

Then replace Hyman at 1w

And a goalie, the cap starts to run out quick.

The opposition is outshot, outchanced, outscored when Muzzin-Holl is on the ice even though they get the majority of the starts if their own end. What more do you want from them?
- Canada Cup

a new face because reasons.

The opposition is outshot, outchanced, outscored when Muzzin-Holl is on the ice even though they get the majority of the starts if their own end. What more do you want from them?
- Canada Cup

a new face because reasons.

For me there's two different debates here.

On the first one, I don't spend assets to shield Kerfoot. He had a good playoffs, his 54 games before that were meh like they always are. At 3.5 I think the money could be used better. I let it be and I move on.

But then the trade happens, and I like the trade. It's opportunistic and good value, but it creates the second debate.

Which is at that point... I keep McCann and Kerfoot. I let them take Holl (which at that point Seattle has so many options on defence I don't think they take Holl to spend 2 million on an 8th D, they look at Engvall). I do so knowing Kerfoot is a trade chip through the summer.

In my perfect (little) world, we have McCann and Holl post expansion, and Kerfoot to shop for a winger, upgrade on the second pair... Or picks and prospects.

But armchair GM'ing is the best kind of GM'ing. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

I would have replied to your earlier one, but you know . . work & meetings and all.
But I get that this is the crux of your position. It's not that Hallander & a 7th were wasted, it's that they were spent on an opportunity to acquire McCann that should have been capitalized upon.

That's a different conversation than the value proposition of the assets paid for insurance and the asset lost in the expansion draft.

The conversation about who the Leafs should or shouldn't have protected is one many can agree on: I think most would have exposed Holl, protected 7/3/1, and been pretty happy to have McCann added to the lineup. But that's irrelevant to this part of the conversation which is: Once the decision was made that Holl @ $2m / 2 years as a Top-4 D (I don't care if he is or isn't now, that's a part of the other conversation) was more valuable than Kerfoot, then they sought to protect themselves from having to spend all summer looking for a 3C replacement.

That decision was a good decision based on their assessment of the roles that their players performed at their salaries.

Again, and I agree with Santo here - Kerfoot can be traded later, assuming the Kraken take McCann - but he will fetch more than Hallander and a 7th in value. Now this is yet another conversation from the other two! But this also assumes that the Leafs can find better value than Kerfoot for their needs. If you look at Kerfoot as a Top-6 winger instead of a 3C, he has value enough for his contract. If you think of Kerfoot as a 3C, he's not worth $3.5M.

Agreed.

(*fixed)
- joel878

I’d quit being a fan if I had to watch Nylander play 22 mins/night. There’s a reason he doesn’t.


I kid I kid, I’d still watch.

The opposition is outshot, outchanced, outscored when Muzzin-Holl is on the ice even though they get the majority of the starts if their own end. What more do you want from them?
- Canada Cup

That's not what Corsi, Fenwick, and PDO are saying.

Also, do you deny that Holl's play declined as the season progressed?

Dvorak, Kuemper, Pitlick, Crouse, Larsson.

The 1st 2 is who I am interested in but the next 3 are decent bottom 6 options.
- Santo_44

What’s their cap, I’m too lazy to look up or is Ari eating cap and taking Kerf 3.5?