why are so many struggling with this.
its 2 assets. Hallander and 7th

rest is a wash
- senstroll

It boggles my mind

Plus the 1 asset seattle takes. which seems like the better asset over Kerfoot.

Ah well
the leafs.
- Fakepartofme

They started with - Kerfoot, Hallander, 7th (3 assets)
they gave up 2 to get 1 - they now have 2 assets
Seattle takes 1

they are left with 1. from the original 3... that equals a loss of 2 assets.

whether you think Kerfoot or Mccann is better doesnt matter to the above.

anyways. until we see what happens..its just noise

So... If they expose Holl, and protect Kerfoot and McCann, is it possible to say that at some point over the summer well after expansion, Kerfoot is worth more than Holl? Because that's where it becomes not so clear cut.

I can't emphasize this enough, in my eyes... The Hallander thing went out the window when they acquired McCann. Hallander was not a leaf asset when it came time to submit the protection list, McCann was.

Protecting both at that point was the better angle for me, because you secure the asset you've traded for, you have Kerfoot and his 3.5 in cap space to play with after the fact.
- joel878

So they lost Mccann not hallinder and a 7th? Cant have it both ways.

I thought you liked Kerfoot at 3.5? If they lose McCann then that is what they traded Hallander and the 7th for ...to keep that player and cap hit.

Or am I wrong and he's a bad cap hit?
- The Law

I do like Kerfoot, hes been one of our more consistent playoff performers.
But honestly, this team is going in circles, we're stuck with the 40million four and need to find cap space somewhere else. So I was open to letting go of his 3.5m cap hit to seattle.

Which technically could still occur if Dubas and Francis have made a gentlemen's agreement and seattle picks the dafoot.

we'll see in 10 hours or so.

Muzzin-Holl 5v5

53% of the shots on goal
55.6% of the expected goals
Outscored opposition 42-30
Started in offensive zone 46% of the play

Find a $2M replacement
- Canada Cup

This season or playoffs or last 2 seasons?

This season without he was 45% shots on goal

50% expected goals

Goals for 35%

Not a big sample, but goes to show a boot would put up good #’s with Muzzin.

Weird thing is I read from time to time that Muzzin sucks/overpaid and should have been traded - exposed 🤣🤣🤣

I like Holl, but it seems Marincin could have done well with Muzzin...or maybe these #’s mean (frank) all and the eye test is better and Holl rocks.

oh FFS.
- Fakepartofme

All I will say is I legitimately hope you have someone helping you with your finances.

You seem to be the type of guy who would trade a dollar for two quarters and convince himself he is richer because 2 is more than 1.

They started with - Kerfoot, Hallander, 7th (3 assets)
they gave up 2 to get 1 - they now have 2 assets
Seattle takes 1

they are left with 1. from the original 3... that equals a loss of 2 assets.

whether you think Kerfoot or Mccann is better doesnt matter to the above.

anyways. until we see what happens..its just noise
- senstroll

If they take Mccann they get to keep Kerfoot which is the trade off.

2.5M over the next 2 years. His contract is valuable in trade.

Maybe Kraken see that too.

Yes, its pretty simple to see.
- Fakepartofme

For most, others resort to insults.

I can't deal with this expansion draft argument anymore.

It boggles my mind
- Santo_44

reminds me of the Monty Hall problem

always switch doors

He is talking value.

If they take Mccann the Leafs essentially payed Hallinder and a 7th to keep Kerfoot instead of a 1st and 3rd.

Which they can then flip for assets post expansion draft.

The whole point is after the expansion draft the Leafs will either come out with the player they traded for or will remain with the same roster they had 5 days ago without Hallinder.

They want to keep Holl...before and after that. With knowing this do you make the Mccann trade? Yes
- Santo_44

And my angle on that would be, who the (frank) cares about Kerfoot to the extent that you'll part with assets to secure him. Let him go, use the 3.5 in cap space separately.

The trade and the protection list are two different things.

Which for the 87th time is why Im ruling Hallander out of the equation. That was a good opportunistic trade and it was done and dusted by the time protection lists were due. McCann is the asset the leafs had to decide to protect or not, not Hallander.

If we had to protect Muzzin, we weren't talking about two prospects and a pick.

Frank Seravalli
@frank_seravalli
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12m
Early word is #SeaKraken were focused in on one player from #GoBolts lot: Yanni Gourde.

Not entirely clear how tonight will work. Teams wondering if he's the only Tampa player heading to Seattle? Could change. But sense is Gourde will be a Kraken before night is done.
@DFOHockey
- 21peter

JBB can always trade Tyler Johnson to Detroit in a separate trade. 😉 Goalie Hugo Alnefelt would be a good sweetener. 👍

So they lost Mccann not hallinder and a 7th? Cant have it both ways.
- Santo_44

🤦🏻‍♂️

Im not trying to have it both ways. I'm clearly trying to have it one.

Do you have really bad ADHD or can you just not read? Honest question.

He is talking value.

If they take Mccann the Leafs essentially payed Hallinder and a 7th to keep Kerfoot instead of a 1st and 3rd.

Which they can then flip for assets post expansion draft.

The whole point is after the expansion draft the Leafs will either come out with the player they traded for or will remain with the same roster they had 5 days ago without Hallinder.

They want to keep Holl...before and after that. With knowing this do you make the Mccann trade? Yes
- Santo_44

I don't. i lose Kerfoot and keep the cap space.

If they keep McCann...it was for sure. Nice plan.
If they lose McCann.....not worth it at all. They had an opportunity to free up some cap space and missed
- Fakepartofme

They can still trade Kerfoot, and likely for more then Hallander and 7th.

And my angle on that would be, who the (frank) cares about Kerfoot to the extent that you'll part with assets to secure him. Let him go, use the 3.5 in cap space separately.

The trade and the protection list are two different things.

Which for the 87th time is why Im ruling Hallander out of the equation. That was a good opportunistic trade and it was done and dusted by the time protection lists were due. McCann is the asset the leafs had to decide to protect or not, not Hallander.

If we had to protect Muzzin, we weren't talking about two prospects and a pick.
- joel878

Kerfoot is owed 700K this season and 1.9 M next....his contract is very valuable in trade.

They would be able to get more than Hallinder and a 7th.

If Dubas flips Kerfoot for Hallinder and a 2nd(wont happen but an example). Are you happy with the move? Basically they upgraded a 7th to a 2nd instead of losing Kerfoot for free.

All I will say is I legitimately hope you have someone helping you with your finances.

You seem to be the type of guy who would trade a dollar for two quarters and convince himself he is richer because 2 is more than 1.
- Leafs43

all I can say is fack off with you condescending BS.
Again, your examples aren't based on reality.

So... If they expose Holl, and protect Kerfoot and McCann, is it possible to say that at some point over the summer well after expansion, Kerfoot is worth more than Holl? Because that's where it becomes not so clear cut.

I can't emphasize this enough, in my eyes... The Hallander thing went out the window when they acquired McCann. Hallander was not a leaf asset when it came time to submit the protection list, McCann was.

Protecting both at that point was the better angle for me, because you secure the asset you've traded for, you have Kerfoot and his 3.5 in cap space to play with after the fact.
- joel878

I think that's the fair point. Was it the right guy(s) to protect. Does he overvalue Holl vs. McC/Kerfoot. Ultimately I think the difference in value of Holl vs. Kerfoot/McCann is probably not too much anyway. Dubas would probably simply say that at 2M Holl's value (on a team full of high paid "stars") is a bigger value to the Leafs.

The trade was a positive in that Holl is safe and one of the forwards is safe. The decision on who to protect is totally up for debate.

End of the day with free agency about to start it's probably not a big deal at all. All of them are fill around the edges types.

I don't. i lose Kerfoot and keep the cap space.
- bobbyisno1

How about you trade Kerfoot for value and still get the cap space.

🤦🏻‍♂️

Im not trying to have it both ways. I'm clearly trying to have it one.

Do you have really bad ADHD or can you just not read? Honest question.
- joel878

I do have ADHD, however it does not affect my reading But thanks.

I do like Kerfoot, hes been one of our more consistent playoff performers.
But honestly, this team is going in circles, we're stuck with the 40million four and need to find cap space somewhere else. So I was open to letting go of his 3.5m cap hit to seattle.

Which technically could still occur if Dubas and Francis have made a gentlemen's agreement and seattle picks the dafoot.

we'll see in 10 hours or so.
- Fakepartofme

I can't disagree with any of that. He's riding with the Big4 and we'll see if it works or whether he sinks with ship.

CapFriendly
@CapFriendly
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20m
Expansion Draft Calendar for today:

10:00am ET:
- Kraken to submit their Expansion Draft Selection List

10:01am ET:
- Kraken to submit their signed SPC's for all RFA/UFA players selected

8:00pm ET:
- Kraken selections revealed

#SeaKraken

https://capfriendly.com/expansion-draft/seattle
- 21peter

Sucks waiting til 8pm, I’m spoiled and want it now.

JBB can always trade Tyler Johnson to Detroit in a separate trade. 😉 Goalie Hugo Alnefelt would be a good sweetener. 👍
- gergeswillems

have a feeling the Kraken is playing a couple rounds next playoffs

I think that's the fair point. Was it the right guy(s) to protect. Does he overvalue Holl vs. McC/Kerfoot. Ultimately I think the difference in value of Holl vs. Kerfoot/McCann is probably not too much anyway. Dubas would probably simply say that at 2M Holl's value (on a team full of high paid "stars") is a bigger value to the Leafs.

The trade was a positive in that Holl is safe and one of the forwards is safe. The decision on who to protect is totally up for debate.

End of the day with free agency about to start it's probably not a big deal at all. All of them are fill around the edges types.
- The Law

Yes, thank you.

The who to protect part is the entire debate, everyone will have a different opinion and all angles at that point have their own merit.

I would argue that resorting to FA is more than likely not going to result in better value than your decision on who to protect could, a lot of bloated numbers on the open market.

all I can say is fack off with you condescending BS.
Again, your examples are based on reality.


- Fakepartofme

We finally agree.