No we don't see it, Savard was not on Tampa in the first place lmfao. He went from Cbus to whoever to Tampa. Just like Brassard with the Pens. Ottawa to Vegas to Pitt. You got this wrong my man. If Savard was on Tampa then to Cbus then to some other team then back to Tampa then yes that's circumventing.
- 668710

He’s saying that we don’t see teams helping other teams with trades/cap

There’s 2 examples

You are arguing the same thing I am

If Price goes through Detroit (team he never played for, like Savard) it ok

I’m saying that’s ridiculous if they view one as circumventing and not the other and they probably make up a rule on the spot to stop it because that’s what they do all the time

@SeattleKracken said:

not shown: 5+ other takes the NHL filmed in preparation for tomorrow’s big event. 🙃

#keepguessing 😘
- Beatnic57

What if GMRH, Dubas and Francis made a 3 way and we hear the Seattle part of it tomorrow. Say they leave McCann for the Leafs and take a weaker more expensive player like kerfoot. Then select someone the Pens want them to like Petterson. And the Kraken receive some picks. Likely not but you never know these are three of the brighter GMs IMO

No we don't see it, Savard was not on Tampa in the first place lmfao. He went from Cbus to whoever to Tampa. Just like Brassard with the Pens. Ottawa to Vegas to Pitt. You got this wrong my man. If Savard was on Tampa then to Cbus then to some other team then back to Tampa then yes that's circumventing.
- 668710

Show me the rule

Let’s say the retention happened between CBus and the “other team”

Show me where Tampa couldn’t reaquire Savard at the lower cap hit

Unless you are saying that the NHL would make one up...

Still don't see why RW can't grasp that it wasn't losing "McCann for nothing" when

Sid, Geno are obvious picks
He has started that He'd protect Carter
Rust, Jake, Kap - yes
So, this is the organization choosing Blueger (an ACTUAL Center), who they have locked up for 2 years over McCann (Who they TRIED at Center then REPLACED) who they have locked up for 1 year and is due a big raise, especially when compared to what Blueger is already signed for

And it frees up at least a little more money this year, and a lot more if they take Zucker or Petts free and clear
- TheGame316

People have no trouble grasping your argument, most just don't agree with it.

I also read that the league wouldn’t allow that. I don’t have the verbiage in my head right now. But definitely not allowed to draft and trade back. That’s some Tampa cheating type stuff.

If Zucker and Petterson are moved, and nothing comes back in those deals, ideally the Pens sign Danualt, Tatar and one of Hyman or Saad with the 12.4M cap they have freed up between those players and McCann. When Malkin is healthy Carter goes to wing. There would be lots of roster flexibility with the wings with the below lineup. I still think if they really want to change the identiy of the forward lines they are going to need to move a Rust or Guentzel to truly do it.

Guentzel - Crosby - Carter
Rust - Malkin - Kapanen
Tatar(3.5) - Danualt (4.5) - Hyman (4.5)
ZAR - Bluegar - Tanev

Dumo - Letang
Matheson - Marino
POJ/Riikola - Friedman/Ruhwedel

Jarry/DeSmith

One definite flaw here is running Jarry and DeSmith back.
- TopShelf66

I think a lot of the off-season plans like this are hard to pull off. When you get to the point you want 3 pretty good UFAs at a specific price, it's probably too many moving parts to work.

And much as I didn't want to bring up McCann again today, I think if you had him at a lower salary than any of the other 3 guys you signed you would have had a better chance signing 2 of the 3 other forwards if that was the route you wanted to go. (I'd put more at goalie and defenseman, but that's another post.)

Well, we do see it, (Savard) albeit usually involving a team out of contention, and they do it for picks

Arizona just helped out the Isles with their cap (Ladd) in exchange for compensation, as another example

Regarding Price, Are you suggesting that the NHL would make up a rule? (Or make Sh1t up as they go) like I originally said?
- TheGame316

Yes they would make up whatever they want. just like the avery rule. Their league, their game, their rules. Who cares?

Show me the rule

Let’s say the retention happened between CBus and the “other team”

Show me where Tampa couldn’t reaquire Savard at the lower cap hit

Unless you are saying that the NHL would make one up...
- TheGame316

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba
- Feds91Stammer

Nope. Try again

The only thing they have in place is a retained trade back to the original team within 12 months

In the example provided, the retained trade would be between 2 other teams “CBus and “other”

I look forward to viewing an exact rule specifically mentioning retention by a 3rd party being not allowed

Unless you would expect the NHL to make something up

Nope. Try again

The only thing they have in place is a retained trade back to the original team within 12 months

In the example provided, the retained trade would be between 2 other teams “CBus and “other”

I look forward to viewing an exact rule specifically mentioning retention by a 3rd party being not allowed

Unless you would expect the NHL to make something up
- TheGame316

Yeah I doubt you’ve even glanced at the CBA the way you cry about Tampa.

Yeah I doubt you’ve even glanced at the CBA the way you cry about Tampa.
- Feds91Stammer

You mean the poorly written document that forces the NHL to either let stuff go or make up stuff as they go because they didn’t have the foresight to anticipate how things could be abused?

Contracts with dead years to lower cap
Backdiving contracts to lower cap
Burying guys in the AHL
Bonus ridden contracts that are buyout proof
LTIR loopholes
Trades with 3rd party retention
Robidas Island

Ya, they always get it right first time out

It's Sunny above the clouds, think outside the box.
- 668710

LOL

https://www.nhlpa.com/the-pa/cba
- Feds91Stammer

I think he’s on his way to going full Aussie.

You mean the poorly written document that forces the NHL to either let stuff go or make up stuff as they go because they didn’t have the foresight to anticipate how things could be abused?

Contracts with dead years to lower cap
Backdiving contracts to lower cap
Burying guys in the AHL
Bonus ridden contracts that are buyout proof
LTIR loopholes
Trades with 3rd party retention
Robidas Island

Ya, they always get it right first time out
- TheGame316

Who here is arguing they get it right the first time out? It's impossible for anyone to do that. You would have to have a Delorian, gun that poop to 88 to "get it right the first time".

You mean the poorly written document that forces the NHL to either let stuff go or make up stuff as they go because they didn’t have the foresight to anticipate how things could be abused?

Contracts with dead years to lower cap
Backdiving contracts to lower cap
Burying guys in the AHL
Bonus ridden contracts that are buyout proof
LTIR loopholes
Trades with 3rd party retention
Robidas Island

Ya, they always get it right first time out
- TheGame316

Everything must seem poorly written to someone who has remedial reading skills.

I think he’s on his way to going full Aussie.
- Rinosaur

He’s full something that’s for sure.

I think he’s on his way to going full Aussie.
- Rinosaur

God please no, this does have that tone to it minus the emojis haha.

Who here is arguing they get it right the first time out? It's impossible for anyone to do that. You would have to have a Delorian, gun that poop to 88 to "get it right the first time".
- 668710

Nobody is and he keeps missing that. His original argument was that the NHL makes it up as they go, and they don’t, the rules are crystal clear whether they make sense or not.

Who here is arguing they get it right the first time out? It's impossible for anyone to do that. You would have to have a Delorian, gun that poop to 88 to "get it right the first time".
- 668710

“Give the CBA a chance”

Nobody is and he keeps missing that. His original argument was that the NHL makes it up as they go, and they don’t, the rules are crystal clear whether they make sense or not.
- Rinosaur

It’s almost like it hasn’t been done before because the league wouldn’t approve of it.

He’s full something that’s for sure.
- Feds91Stammer

Insert Tropic Thunder gif here.

“Give the CBA a chance”
- Feds91Stammer

Lmfao 😂

Insert Tropic Thunder gif here.
- Rinosaur

Exactly.

I think he’s on his way to going full Aussie.
- Rinosaur

You know, I have no idea about hockey half as much as some of you. I still post for fun, to learn, to communicate. I thought that dude was funny but he wasn't too bad at hockey knowledge.

You know, I have no idea about hockey half as much as some of you. I still post for fun, to learn, to communicate. I thought that dude was funny but he wasn't too bad at hockey knowledge.
- nateca444

The main issue with him is that he was unstable lol