Is this Eklund?
- Glak18

Why do people ignore the baggage that comes with Tony D? I wouldnt take him, i think we have enough culture issues here without him? There's a reason he was sent home, and didn't have much to do with his skill level.
- bradster

Its a 1 yr risk for Seattle..doesnt work out they send him down. Works out they got a guy as good as Ghost was yr 1 and better defensively. Didnt say for Flyers to take him said Seattle over Ghost

Is this Eklund?
- Glak18

ADA could in theory be taken and again in theory would be a better selection, but how would he react living in the land of CHAZ.
- Glak18

Maybe run for Governor and clean that place up..LOL

I don't get why anyone thinks its the Flyers who should be throwing in the sweetener.
- MBFlyerfan

the only thing I can think of is that we want to do this trade with st. louis and they don't because of the extra year on Jake's contract (or they just don't want Jake)

So perhaps we are convincing Seattle to take Tarasenko and what they get out of it is the healthier player and a draft pick. We take the gamble on a need (sniper), change the locker room and get a year off a high contract

Edit: it seemed that, after seeing Vegas, the name of the game was to stockpile draft picks wherever possible. Maybe we offered Jake and a 2nd for Tarasenko and that 2nd isn't as valuable to St. Louis as it is Seattle. Imagine if St. Louis said sure but it will cost Jake and a 1st

Its a 1 yr risk for Seattle..doesnt work out they send him down. Works out they got a guy as good as Ghost was yr 1 and better defensively. Didnt say for Flyers to take him said Seattle over Ghost
- hfc355

Ya but you don't need any kind of distractions in their very first season.

Mostly agree with what Bill has said. Vorecek is still a good NHL player. I do think it would be better for the Flyers and for Vorecek to have a fresh start. If it’s Taresenko im sure the Flyers will due their due diligence, but there are no guarantee’s even if his shoulder checks out today. Depending on what else happens at the ED the Flyers mix will have changed….something that after last year we all agree on was needed.

Hopefully Seattle takes ghost. Then next year let G walk then only have one more ywar of jake & jvr

I saw a lot of posts in the previous blog about the viability of giving a long term contract to Couturier using Bergeron's continued excellence deep in his 30s as an example. But imo, the similarity of the 2 players regarding style of play is not so relevant (unless you believe that style of play somehow produces longevity which is obviously easily refuted: see Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and many others).

The correct comparison should be the # of contracts already committed to by team at the time of awarding the contract, the position the player plays, and the age. In all of those, the comparison should be with the Krejci contract, not the Bergeron one.

Krejci was 1C, like Couturier. Krejci was 29, like Couturier will be. The contract of Bergeron was already committed to, just like the Hayes one is. Krejci got the more expensive deal of the 2 centers, just like Couturier will. The cap hit % of Krejci was 10% of salary cap, just like Couturier one will at least be.

Krejci's regular season ppg in the 7 years before and 6 years since have remained remarkably same. But his post-season production dropped by 10% before and after contract. More importantly, Boston was stacked at the time and just a few years removed from a cup run (unlike us), but in spite of the emergence of Pasta since, they never delivered again and their window is very likely closed with that core.

In summary, I am not sure the comparison of the Couts contract to the Bergeron contract proves what people want it to prove. Assuming of course, the ultimate goal is to win a cup, and have everything else be subservient to that.
- PT21

Kejci is not a 1C on Boston. He is a 2C. He's also never been as good as Couturier.

Nice article Bill. Its really as you state it: Jake is a playmaking forward for a team that has too many playmakers and not enough shooters. I think the Flyers need to shoot more and become harder to play against, and Jake is one asset CF can use to change the mix of his lineup. I certainly hope he does so this off season.

Kejci is not a 1C. He is a 2C. He's also never been as good as Couturier.
- MJL

And is downright useless unless you put him with very good players as it turns out.

Hopefully Seattle takes ghost. Then next year let G walk then only have one more ywar of jake & jvr
- Fopa21

I'm not waiting that long, CF needs to dump all 3 now.

I'm not waiting that long, CF needs to dump all 3 now.
- jd250

Step 1: Sell all three players
Step 2:
Step 3: Profit!

And is downright useless unless you put him with very good players as it turns out.
- jd250

He's been a really good player. The extent of what PT21 did is, Bergeron doesn't work for me, so let's use Krejci instead. That better fits my premise. Disregarding that Bergeron is a very good comparable to Couturier.

If you had to guess, who’s the first captain of the Kraken.

I’m going Adam Henrique

He's been a really good player. The extent of what PT21 did is, Bergeron doesn't work for me, so let's use Krejci instead. That better fits my premise. Disregarding that Bergeron is a very good comparable to Couturier.
- MJL

Krejci is an interesting player. Take this past season, he was pretty much invisible for most of the season and then he gets Taylor Hall and Craig Smith on his wings after the deadline and that line lights it up. Krejci is a very smart player and very good playmaker, and when the Bruins actually give him players to play with he is great, but disappears otherwise.

Regarding PT21, its a no brainer that Bergeron is a nice comparable to Couturier, but that is not really what he wants. He wants the Flyers to completely tank, trade everyone and start over with the top pick in the draft. And if that is what he truly wants, he should just switch and become a Sabres fan and see how that works out. Detroit is another option, or maybe even the Kraken.

If you had to guess, who’s the first captain of the Kraken.

I’m going Adam Henrique
- hereticpride

I'll go with Mark Giordano.

I'll go with Mark Giordano.
- MBFlyerfan

same

Man, people are really fired up about Ellis and Voracek. Can’t wait until they trade Jake and a 2nd for Tarasenko and people in here really get fired up.

Man, people are really fired up about Ellis and Voracek. Can’t wait until they trade Jake and a 2nd for Tarasenko and people in here really get fired up.
- Flyers1218

Only way people will get fired up is if Tarasenko gets hurt early in the season or the shoulder is worse than they anticipated.

The actual trade itself isn't that bad. I'd prefer a 1 for 1 but a 2nd or 3rd isn't worth getting wound up.

So what's Daryll Williams' role going to be on the staff? Recently heard he was hired as an assistant.

Edit: Never mind. Guess it's taking over for Lappy.

And is downright useless unless you put him with very good players as it turns out.
- jd250

I thought you said you live in Boston and watch a lot of Boston games.

Krejci was 1C throughout the several years before his contract in 2015-16, which is of course the basis of comparison (I explicitly said 29 was his age). He was 1c during the cup run, when they swept us in 2011, and when he was knocked out during our 0-3 comeback the year before and all the span in between. He continued being so after his contract (1C) with Lucic on his wing till the latter left.

In this period of time, Bergeron played mostly 2C. Marchand initially on 3rd line, then 2nd as Bergeron wing at the time Krejci got his contract. There was enormous chemistry between Bergeron and Marchand. With Pasta joining them and Krejci essentially being wingless, so to speak, the interchange of position was a natural evolution.

This is all from my memory, but I am pretty sure most of it is correct. I am sure MJL will immediately frantically search and find 5 game periods when this was not true, as is his wont. but the point will stand in general. :D

Now about the player comparison:

Krejci has averaged about a 64 point season in the 7 years before his contract and 6 years since. Couturier is averaging about 74 since taking over 1C.

In post season, Krejci is averaging 0.8 points a game per season. In the same span, Couturier averaged about 0.85 ppg.

So, advantage Couts, but not as much as you would think.

I think they should be willing to give up a 3rd...or 2 3rds... to get Seattle to take Jake. If that's not enough... he stays. I'm not a Jake hater...but I do believe he scores a lot of empty points. If he goes... I'd like the see a huge offer for Hamilton. Rebuild the defense this year...for years to come... find out what we have in our offensive prospects..and work in deals (trades / FA signings) to fortify the O.

Krejci is an interesting player. Take this past season, he was pretty much invisible for most of the season and then he gets Taylor Hall and Craig Smith on his wings after the deadline and that line lights it up. Krejci is a very smart player and very good playmaker, and when the Bruins actually give him players to play with he is great, but disappears otherwise.

Regarding PT21, its a no brainer that Bergeron is a nice comparable to Couturier, but that is not really what he wants. He wants the Flyers to completely tank, trade everyone and start over with the top pick in the draft. And if that is what he truly wants, he should just switch and become a Sabres fan and see how that works out. Detroit is another option, or maybe even the Kraken.
- jd250

No PT21 gave you a comparison which was based not on style of play but position, the commitments already made by team at the time, and age. In all of those, the forthcoming Couts contract bears a closer resemblance to the contract Krejci got.

It should be really moot, since whether we use Bergeron or Krejci, neither won a cup after they were awarded the contract, but I am not sure you actually care about winning the cup. I have seen absolutely nothing from your posts that suggest any sort of a plan towards that end, so you probably don't.

I am sorry if this was too precise for you.

If you had to guess, who’s the first captain of the Kraken.

I’m going Adam Henrique
- hereticpride

If they take Killorn, I’d say him.