To me, Ellis is much less physical. In his own end, he reminds me more of Desjardin than Kimmo (relying on stick work and positioning) than the lower body strength of Kimmo.
- PT21

Ellis is not a particularly physical player. The poster doesn't know the player well.

Not sure how you think giving up on two young players w potential for a small older def has made you better but ok
- mattstake

No doubt it has short term. I'll wait and see in about 3 years to see how I would grade it. But for now, it's an A-.

You keep making empty replies and instead of debating any relevant fact, resort to nonsense like this. Ellis is not an overly physical player. Timonen was a regular finisher in the top 20 in Norris trophy voting. Including finishing 5th one year in his career. Ryan Ellis has never finished in the top 20 in Norris voting. Ellis finished in the top 25 in NHL all star voting once compared to Timonen finishing in the top 25 on 6 occasions.
- MJL

he is physisal, youll see, empty replies, ? How do you want me back that up that he is more physical, what stats can you use. ? Board battles won, harder hits?
I didnt say anything about norris trophy voting, top 20? hahahah ok, whatever thats worth, who had more top 50 votes? lol
but i see you are now off the meyers is awesome and trying to defend ellis being better than kimo, so thats a step up. Very relevant. Honestly, this is awesome, cant even make these arguments up.

Price is due an 11 million dollar signing bonus in September. I think that will deter Seattle from taking him.

I think Seattle just takes Braun or Hagg leaving the Flyers with no cap relief.
- PLindbergh31

Seattle doesn't care about Flyers' cap situation. They care about building a team and getting to the cap floor as required. While I am iffy on them taking JVR without a sweetener and almost certain they only take Voracek with significant sweeteners, Ghost with no sweeteners is very plausible, and serves Seattle's purposes more than Braun (although not out of the realm of possibility) or Hägg (unlikely).

Ghost is 28, can play PP1, play LD or RD, has only two years of term left and a reasonable cap hit of $4.5M for a team that has to get to cap floor but isn't taking crazy expensive contracts just to do so.

Gourde not protected, you would think someone would have traded for him. Seattle has to take him.
- wcorvette

Or they can take Killorn (versatlile, smart, adds grit). Or Palat (TB's 2nd leading scorer this past season and a proven two-way player).

I would have protected Giroux, Hayes, Couturier, Laughton, Konency, Lindblom and Patrick at forward. Provorov, Sanheim and Myers on defense. Hart in net.

With this deal we’re protecting Aube-Kubel. Why? I couldn’t tell you. In fact we’re now protecting two players I wish we didn’t have to in Hayes and NAK.

I would have waited to see who Settle takes from us and hoped it’s one of JvR, Voracek or Ghost, who seem to be the most likely. After this, I would have addressed holes.

People around here talk as if Ryan Ellis is the only deal that had to be made. I don’t think Chuck has been that great of a GM since coming here. I had much higher expectations for Vigneault who also hasn’t found that second, third or fourth gear on this team yet. I would have gave Patrick and Myers another year to workout their issues.

It’s just the same old thing. The Flyers become impatient. Dump a young guy. Young guy moves on to have success elsewhere.
- SuperSchennBros

This is where you are dead wrong. Why would Jake be likely taken? At that cap hit? No one wants anything to do with him. And why would they take Ghost when no one wanted him for free? JVR is the most likely to get taken out of those 3 but even that is wishful thinking because of his cap hit. You are banking on Seattle helping us and I don't think that will be the case.

Watch them grab Hagg or even Sandstrom if it's not JVR. But to say those other two are "likely Seattle picks" couldn't be more wrong. We will see I guess.

The GM only had 2 logical choices. Tear it down or try to "win" now. Many can disagree with the direction he took which is clearly to win now. That is a valid argument. The best part is many of the people who are against this trade want to resign ex selk and Clode to long term deals.

That being said the flyer acquired a top pair dman for 2 young non core players. How on earth is that a bad deal? They addressed a huge need. Period for 2 spare parts. I do not think they are done as they still need 1 ore top 4 dman.

As far the Jake is productive stuff you can remove him and his 60 points. Insert another player at 30 points who offers a diff skill set and be a better team. It isnt about replacing his points at all. You can be a better team removing him off. He is part of the problem not part of the solution going forward. The guy just isnt a winner. Been a part of 2 organization where losing runs rampant.

Flyers are in purgatory. So even if they remove Jake and end up "worse" off they are still stuck in the same spot. Insanity to keep tryng the same hting yera after year.

Only on this site and in Nashville are Myers and Patrick valued more than Ellis.
- Sinisalo4vr

Not even in Nashville, since they immediately flipped Patrick for Glass

It’s not so much about protecting NAK as they wanted to expose JVR. NAK just got lucky. He shouldn’t even be on the opening night roster.
- hereticpride

Amazing this needs to be explained.

its funny everyone that was saying, the kraken need to get to the cap floor. Well Price and tarasenko start getting them up there pretty fast if they went that route. Throw in a giardano and a tampa guy, and then they might have to make sure they arent going over the cap. cant wait to see how this shakes out.

Amazing this needs to be explained.
- hello it's me 2050

Exactly - it's just increasing the odds of gaining space.

This is a good trade if Ellis stays healthy? Only time will tell. The Flyers did get pushed around on the ice the last couple years, so I hope Fletch picks up a player with some size and grit that actually has some talent. Plenty more work for Fletch to do. Fingers crossed....

Mickel25, Tomahawk, MJL and all others in the draft-and-develop and be patient camp: note your folly. Even if we agree that that is the best way to build a champ (and you guys know I strongly disagree), the point is moot. Big market teams like Flyers never have the patience to commit to it, so business reasons make that strategy a non-starter.

I am afraid the only two valid ones worth considering are the concentrated pain of a rebuild and the trade-like-a-nutjob one which we always fall back on.
- PT21

Their is no folly in drafting an developing. That is how you build winning franchises and keep being a winning franchise for a decent amount of time. It applies in all sports.

its funny everyone that was saying, the kraken need to get to the cap floor. Well Price and tarasenko start getting them up there pretty fast if they went that route. Throw in a giardano and a tampa guy, and then they might have to make sure they arent going over the cap. cant wait to see how this shakes out.
- bradster

Seattle will probably not be Tarasenko's destination even if he's taken in the Expansion Draft. The cap floor is $60,250. Seattle wouldn't have to blink about taking Ghost at $4.5M for two years even if they take on several big salaries; flipping some and keeping others.

Did someone just say Landeskog was unprotected…

Lots of choices but who becomes the first Kraken captain?
- NC Flyers Fan

He’s a free agent though. Guess he wouldn’t have to sign there. I do like the player though.

Seattle will probably not be Tarasenko's destination even if he's taken in the Expansion Draft. The cap floor is $60,250. Seattle wouldn't have to blink about taking Ghost at $4.5M for two years even if they take on several big salaries; flipping some and keeping others.
- bmeltzer

if i was seattle, i dont think id take Price, thats a lot of money, and there are lots of goalies available for them to take

This is where you are dead wrong. Why would Jake be likely taken? At that cap hit? No one wants anything to do with him. And why would they take Ghost when no one wanted him for free? JVR is the most likely to get taken out of those 3 but even that is wishful thinking because of his cap hit. You are banking on Seattle helping us and I don't think that will be the case.

Watch them grab Hagg or even Sandstrom if it's not JVR. But to say those other two are "likely Seattle picks" couldn't be more wrong. We will see I guess.


- black_francis

It wasn't that no team wanted or had a use for Gostisbehere.

The issue was that none of the teams that'd otherwise have had interest (such as Florida) had BOTH the need for a PP defenseman AND the immediate cap space to do so last season. Some had one. Some had the other. No one had both. The Flyers knew that and were able to get Gostisbehere through waivers to successfully manage their cap for the rest of the season without incurring overages.

The Expansion Draft and offseason are a whole different animal. Gostisbehere is absolutely a viable candidate for selection by Seattle. If not selected, he is otherwise tradeable to certain teams.

We aren’t choosing to protect Hayes lol. He has a NMC. They protected NAK to expose JVR for cap relief to make other moves lol
- hereticpride

Yeah I'm having a tough time understanding what people aren't grasping about protecting NAK and exposing JVR. It's strictly dollars and cents. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I have never seen a fan base that is as active and energetic as this fen base! These people truly love this team! Most of us are implants here and a lot of us come from cities that had strong hockey backgrounds to them. I have been here since the inaugural season and the preds are my team in this division
Nashville is a cool little place. The scenery here is absolutely beautiful and Broadway is a lot of fun for the younger crows and/or country fans.
The food is no where near as good as philly had but I am a HUGE fan of real southern joints here! The comfort food is so damn good, isn't it? Plus this is a good place to raise your kids. I prefer living back in bucks county but I'd rather my kids grow up here
I've gotta say that It's been a lot of fun to be a part of a growing hockey community and these fans here are the best fans I've ever seen from any team!
- Bob Habib

I definitely picked up on the love for hockey, I wasn't expecting that. The restaurants I frequent every time I'm in Nashville is Hattie B's for the Nashville Hot Chicken, Five Points Pizza, Tom & Chee for the surprisingly tasty Grilled Cheese Donut and East Nashville Beer Works for...well...beer 🍻

I think this is a great statement... and could work...

Think about a GM with capanomics and planning for roster transition, slotting players for current an future years..

All 23 + pages yesterday seemed to forget Ellis is really Niskkanen's replacement.. plain and simple the cap hit was 5.75 Million for Niskkanen so 500 K more for Ellis

Myers was undrafted..so Zamula another undrafted hopefully takes Myers intended career path with the Flyers.. similar build..prob not as blessed with overall skills...

York could be the Ghost replacement + more...
- RajaAmpat

I think the difference between Zamula and Myers is that Zamula is extremely poised with the puck and has a much higher hockey IQ than Myers. Less physical though but I will take it. Zamula looked very promising with his cup of coffee last season

It wasn't that no team wanted or had a use for Gostisbehere.

The issue was that none of the teams that'd otherwise have had interest (such as Florida) had BOTH the need for a PP defenseman AND the immediate cap space to do so last season. Some had one. Some had the other. No one had both. The Flyers knew that and were able to get Gostisbehere through waivers to successfully manage their cap for the rest of the season without incurring overages.

The Expansion Draft and offseason are a whole different animal. Gostisbehere is absolutely a viable candidate for selection by Seattle. If not selected, he is otherwise tradeable to certain teams.
- bmeltzer

100% especially for a struggling PP. Ghost is very good on the PP

I think the difference between Zamula and Myers is that Zamula is extremely poised with the puck and has a much higher hockey IQ than Myers. Less physical though but I will take it. Zamula looked very promising with his cup of coffee last season
- Richieattack18

less physical than meyers? Thats concerning. Meyers was very soft last year

Yeah I'm having a tough time understanding what people aren't grasping about protecting NAK and exposing JVR. It's strictly dollars and cents. Nothing more. Nothing less.
- Pelle31Forever

There’s not too many bright folks around here, hence the outrage of our most recent trade.

They need one more top 4 defenseman IMO, either Larsson or Savard would do the trick.
- jd250

Savard isn’t a top 4D. Someone is gong to overpay thinking that. He looked pretty good on a 3rd pair with TB. That’s where he belongs.

Or they can take Killorn (versatlile, smart, adds grit). Or Palat (TB's 2nd leading scorer this past season and a proven two-way player).
- bmeltzer

Yeah, you can see why they are cup champs