what do you hate? I thought the previous year he played really good for his experience. Last year......ughhhhhh
but he doesnt have the tools
- bradster

I just watched him play and make the same mistake over, and over, and over again. He doesn't use his size nor skating ability, he is an absolute disaster in dzone coverage, and has pretty much 0 offense. There is not much to like from my perspective. Yes the previous year he played limited minutes and they managed him, but when he was asked to play a top 4 role, you got to see what he really was. I always say, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

I just watched him play and make the same mistake over, and over, and over again. He doesn't use his size nor skating ability, he is an absolute disaster in dzone coverage, and has pretty much 0 offense. There is not much to like from my perspective. Yes the previous year he played limited minutes and they managed him, but when he was asked to play a top 4 role, you got to see what he really was. I always say, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.
- jd250

How loud did you yell when he just watches a guy go to the front of the net and score. Zero attempt to box him out. Sometimes there was zero compete in him, almost like he didn't know he shouldn't let guys go to the net.

I am more curious what the GM does to address the most important position, goaltending.

Does he bring in guy who is clearly the backup and roll with Hart 100%? Or does he bring in a guy to challenge him for the starters spot? All the other moves wont matter if the goaltending is still slop.

Coburn in his prime was a really solid top pairing compliment. He was big and could skate and was strong defensively. This is in contradiction to your multiple statements that Myers SUCKS and will never amount to anything.
- MJL

When you use Sucks, just capitalize the 'S', not the whole word. Otherwise the capitalization looses its whole meaning :-)

I don't agree with you about Coburn, I actually hated him too and was happy when the Flyers finally traded him to Tampa. So my objective was not to say Myers' upside is a top pairing guy, because I didn't think Coburn was anywhere close to a top pairing guy. I do believe the ceiling for Myers is borderline 2nd pairing, but as I said this will be very hard for him to do given what I think his deficiencies are.

How loud did you yell when he just watches a guy go to the front of the net and score. Zero attempt to box him out. Sometimes there was zero compete in him, almost like he didn't know he shouldn't let guys go to the net.
- bradster

Worse than that, when the opposing player was left all along to score in the crease, Myers was somewhere up at the blueline chasing the previous puck carrier around the rink. It was tragic, but at the same time somewhat comical. Honestly, I have played with high school defenseman that made better coverage decisions than Myers did last year, and that is plain sad.

Suter, Burns, Kopitar, Kessel, Pavelski, Vlasic, Kane, Jordan Staal, Giroux, Backstrom, Stastny, Greene, Doughty, Krejci, Giordano, Edler, Bailey, Wheeler, Benn, Letang, Oshie, Stalman, Pacioretti, Marchand, Carlson, Karlsson, Chara, Leddy, Eberle, Couture, Backlund, Petry, McDonaugh, Spurgeon, Josi, Martinez, Dillon, Muzzin, Killorn, Tatar, Atkinson, Savard, Cole, Ekholm, Maroon, Rask, Bellemare, Radulov, Hedman, Pietrangelo, Ovechkin, Crosby, Stamkos... etc...

Yeah clearly players just start to suck when they hit 30
- Richieattack18

And which of those players if they were underpayed on last contract and new contract was due start at age 30 would you give 7-8 year term at 8-9 mil per year? Maybe a handful? And I’ll bet like I said they would be the players that will likely be in hall of fame or definitely in discussion. Again your point makes zero sense. No one ever said players can’t play in 30’s what people are stating is the age/term. You can list a 100 players that CAN and DO or WILL play into their 30’s. List these players you think should or would get 7-8/8-9 term $…

Coots has averaged 17.4 goals a year over 10 years. Bergy right now has 200 more goals in career in 17 years. The question was do you think coots will score 200 goals in the next 7 years to even it out. That’s a big ask. Coots would have to get 28-29 goals in each of the next 7 years to reach Bergy. I don’t think coots gets 200 goals in next 7 years. The statement was in response to coots is a better goal scorer than Bergy yet the stats almost definitely won’t say that
- Stayin alive

I GUESS when you count the 2 half seasons it does lower his averages doesnt it. 4 years ago he scored his first 30 goal season. He doesnt seem to be slowing down either. Which is weird because he is 2 years away from 30 which is when his entire body will shut down and Coots will suck

I am more curious what the GM does to address the most important position, goaltending.

Does he bring in guy who is clearly the backup and roll with Hart 100%? Or does he bring in a guy to challenge him for the starters spot? All the other moves wont matter if the goaltending is still slop.
- hello it's me 2050

I am pretty sure they will not bring a goalie in to compete for the starting job.

They should bring in a goalie that is capable of playing an extended string of games if needed though. I am 99.9% confident that Hart recovers and becomes the goalie we all hope he is.

Travis is hesitant on this also, and definately can't have 2 D man, especially on the same line doing that
- bradster

Yes, but in Sanheim's defense, I think he was shell shocked from playing with Myers and knowing he pretty much had to be the only one covering. On a serious note however, I put at least some of the blame on the coaches. They failed to adjust the defensive zone coverage scheme as the year went on and it was clear the players could not execute what they were apparently coached to do. I never did I see any attempt to change it and that is equally frustrating!

If Nashville had waited until after the ED, they could've gotten a better deal for Ellis in my opinion.
- MJL

Its possible that Poile panicked, which is good for us if true!

And which of those players if they were underpayed on last contract and new contract was due start at age 30 would you give 7-8 year term at 8-9 mil per year? Maybe a handful? And I’ll bet like I said they would be the players that will likely be in hall of fame or definitely in discussion. Again your point makes zero sense. No one ever said players can’t play in 30’s what people are stating is the age/term. You can list a 100 players that CAN and DO or WILL play into their 30’s. List these players you think should or would get 7-8/8-9 term $…
- Stayin alive

28/29 is when most players get their first big contract. Their first contract after the ELC is usually either a bridge or a respectable raise like what Coots is playing on right now. Then they get a massive contract if you are a stud like coots/majority of that list because that's how the NHL works. Are you implying the only people that should be getting massive contracts are the ones in the early 20s because once you are a few years from 30 theres no point since they wont be good past 30? Bergeron 35 and a stud still. No reason to think Coots will be different. Oh well, you aren't GM so it doesnt matter what your insignificant and poorly sighted opinion is

I am pretty sure they will not bring a goalie in to compete for the starting job.

They should bring in a goalie that is capable of playing an extended string of games if needed though. I am 99.9% confident that Hart recovers and becomes the goalie we all hope he is.
- mickel25

Agreed. They have to bring ins someone reliable who can play say 20 or 30 games. With better team d, I think you’ll see hart a confidence rebound and performance take off again

I am pretty sure they will not bring a goalie in to compete for the starting job.

They should bring in a goalie that is capable of playing an extended string of games if needed though. I am 99.9% confident that Hart recovers and becomes the goalie we all hope he is.
- mickel25

Lets just say for example a guy like Bernier. Do you think he will compete for the starters role?

I think they bring in a 1A/B type to split with Hart. Then the best man wins the job down the line.

Well you disappeared real fast once I gave the list of all the old washed up players that suck balls in their 30s which was weird because somehow when a player hits 30 they just start to be terrible hockey players.
- Richieattack18

I didn’t see your list. I’ll go back and look but as I stated, some people have better things to do on a Sunday. I don’t know how anyone could think this highly of themselves that people who actually hide online from another Anonymous poster.

I think horrible asset management is giving unproven players these large long term contracts simply guessing how good they will be. Was there a guarantee Coots was going to be this good and win a selke when he was 24-25? How big of a contract would you have given Myers lol?
- black_francis

Coots was absolutely a player at 24-25 I would’ve given term/$ contract too. He was already top tier defensive center and showed a slow offensive trend upward. Never expected him to be offensive star but at 24-25 I would’ve been very comfortable giving him the 8 year term. His floor was high enough that if his offense fizzled out some he’d still be worth it or close into his VERY early 30’s then go from there.

Myers obviously type player you don’t do it with. For obvious reasons.

Provy is type player I’d have done 8 year deal on.

Farabee if he takes another step this season I’d lock up 8 years too. The floor on him I think is pretty high. As long as no regression.

Take farabee for example. If we bridge him 2-4 years at say 4-5 mil (as long as good season this year) then what’s his contract look like in a few years. You get into that landeskog type scenario where player approaching very late 20’s almost 30 and more than likely you know there’s chance is given long term you’re gonna not get production on back end. I’d rather identify that player at 24-25 and skip that bridge deal and go the term. The $ will be less in the end and on cap. So farabee if you lock up 8 years 6 mil per year year its a little over early but back end it’s a little under pay. But you’re getting the production for the whole contract. At age 32-33 you then can move on or resign you have options

Telling you you posted yesterday since you said you are not a loser who post on Sundays.

Is one a bigger loser if they post on Friday or Saturday since that is the weekend?
- hello it's me 2050

No, I said I don’t talk poop and post here all day, which I don’t and you do.

Lets just say for example a guy like Bernier. Do you think he will compete for the starters role?

I think they bring in a 1A/B type to split with Hart. Then the best man wins the job down the line.
- hello it's me 2050

That is a possible way they could go. I don't see it though. I think they believe in Hart. Hart will be given every opportunity to be the guy. He would have to play as poorly as last year for him to be removed as the starter.

We will see.

I didn’t see your list. I’ll go back and look but as I stated, some people have better things to do on a Sunday. I don’t know how anyone could think this highly of themselves that people who actually hide online from another Anonymous poster.
- SuperSchennBros

Was protecting NAK a mistake?

No, I said I don’t talk poop and post here all day, which I don’t and you do.
- SuperSchennBros

false.

That is a possible way they could go. I don't see it though. I think they believe in Hart. Hart will be given every opportunity to be the guy. He would have to play as poorly as last year for him to be removed as the starter.

We will see.
- mickel25

My prediction is whoever they bring in ends being AV's guy.......

Suter, Burns, Kopitar, Kessel, Pavelski, Vlasic, Kane, Jordan Staal, Giroux, Backstrom, Stastny, Greene, Doughty, Krejci, Giordano, Edler, Bailey, Wheeler, Benn, Letang, Oshie, Stalman, Pacioretti, Marchand, Carlson, Karlsson, Chara, Leddy, Eberle, Couture, Backlund, Petry, McDonaugh, Spurgeon, Josi, Martinez, Dillon, Muzzin, Killorn, Tatar, Atkinson, Savard, Cole, Ekholm, Maroon, Rask, Bellemare, Radulov.

This is just among successful active players that are 30+. If we go back in time like you did I can name even more players who played very well late into their 30s. But I think you get the point.
- Richieattack18

Ok, this is your list….

As I stated from the beginning, Ryan Ellis isn’t a star, nor has he ever been a contender for the Norris. All you did was collect as many 30 plus names you could, most of which have high Accomplishments and most of which Ellis probably shouldn’t be classed with. Some of these names have slowed down in their 30’s. I was looking for examples of players in Ellis’ class that never really skipped a beat. Overall, yeah it’s a good list.

false.
- hello it's me 2050

You do. To the point where ever other post is from you

Was protecting NAK a mistake?
- hello it's me 2050

You tell me. Apparently it was explained to me, I don’t remember anyone saying anything.

Yep, let's add another player with significant injury worries to the mix. What could go wrong?
- MJL

Allows you to move on from Jake (which we made clear to him we want to do), trade a playmaker for a pure goal scorer and get out from his/their contract a year earlier.

What’s not to like? Jake in the mix hasn’t worked. You’re gonna turn around and say “30, injury history/surgeries, big risk etc. but I’m tired of watching the same group do nothing. Everyone is so afraid to try new things. Gotta hold onto our pieces even tho they haven’t won anything. But hey, maybe we will win with this mix this year… lol

Yes, but in Sanheim's defense, I think he was shell shocked from playing with Myers and knowing he pretty much had to be the only one covering. On a serious note however, I put at least some of the blame on the coaches. They failed to adjust the defensive zone coverage scheme as the year went on and it was clear the players could not execute what they were apparently coached to do. I never did I see any attempt to change it and that is equally frustrating!
- jd250

Id like to blame the coaches more, but when Meyers gets benched and the coaches basically say he keeps making the same mistakes and not doing what is asked....i blame the player.