I think the worst comment I heard from AV regarding Myers was his lack of willingness to go into a corner and take a hit to make a play. This is a very damming comment, especially if the player is 6' 5" and can skate as well as Myers can.
- jd250

Travis is hesitant on this also, and definately can't have 2 D man, especially on the same line doing that

Ellis is better than Ekholm and is RH. Ekholm is a pending UFA after this season. Looking just strictly hockey wise, what GM gives up a legit RH top pair defenseman that is signed long term unless he was blown away with a deal?
- MJL

Maybe the term is what they wanted to get rid of? The return does seem light. I would not have made the deal if I was the Preds GM.

I think the worst comment I heard from AV regarding Myers was his lack of willingness to go into a corner and take a hit to make a play. This is a very damming comment, especially if the player is 6' 5" and can skate as well as Myers can.
- jd250

It was a symptom of Myers frustration and mental state due to how the season was going. It wasn't an issue at any other time of Myers development.

I know this is for another poster but perhaps they like what they have in their farm system...or maybe the need the cap to make a larger play on Eichel or another pivot. Just too many moving parts to form a concrete base if we arent "in the room"
- juiced

that's true, very hard to speculate what a GM thinks, even though we get asked all the time.

Thats the camp im in. Admittedly I am probably biased as I was early to the Ellis option when the idea and talk of Ekholm first came up...I preferred Ellis then and I like the move now.

Like MJL states, its hard not to imagine that 3 years from now Myers will probably have found his stride and be the superior player. However, this move isnt just about getting the one player. This is also about Ellis imapct on all our young d-men and his ability to lead by example, slow the game down and help them break their bad habits. Time will tell if Ellis presence moves the needle for Provy, Sandman and York. So for me the balance of the trade will not just be a player A vs. player B stat line comparison....it's the macro impact.
- juiced

I see the ceiling for Myers to be a Brayden Coburn type defenseman, which is pretty much middle of the road, but to even get there Myers has to somehow overcome serious deficiencies, like taking a hit to make a play and making the right coverage decisions. Its going to be a big uphill climb for him. I'm not worried at all about losing Myers, because I really do not think he is any good.

Maybe the term is what they wanted to get rid of? The return does seem light. I would not have made the deal if I was the Preds GM.
- mickel25

Right but again, most teams wouldn't be concerned with that term for a true top pairing RH defenseman. There is not doubt in my mind that his durability and term is why they looked to move him. That is the concern I have about him.

It's more than just the contract. I don't know anyone who has said or insinuated that Ellis is bad. Put your GM hat on and if Ellis is healthy, would you have made this trade?
- MJL

Yes because he thinks the last 3 years of his contract will be a huge issue and may be unmovable at that time.

So he moved him now. Clearly this was the best deal on the table.

It may or may not have anything to do with his health. Many scenarios why the deal was made.

nhl has a list of the top 50 Dmen, and now we have 2 in the top 30.... not that the list means anything, but looks alot better than it did a couple days ago.

Also has Heiskanen at 14 which i think is too low, i'm a big fan of his.

I see the ceiling for Myers to be a Brayden Coburn type defenseman, which is pretty much middle of the road, but to even get there Myers has to somehow overcome serious deficiencies, like taking a hit to make a play and making the right coverage decisions. Its going to be a big uphill climb for him. I'm not worried at all about losing Myers, because I really do not think he is any good.
- jd250

Coburn in his prime was a really solid top pairing compliment. He was big and could skate and was strong defensively. This is in contradiction to your multiple statements that Myers SUCKS and will never amount to anything.

For the record, I was hoping Chuck wouldn’t do anything until we knew who was going to be taken by Seattle. I don’t see the point in protecting NAK.
- SuperSchennBros

It has been spelled out for you many times by different posters. You will never comprehend why it was done.

I already posted that I don't believe he has a career ending injury scenario. He has durability issues that concern me.
- MJL

Its a valid concern and most likely why Ellis was available. His last injury I believe was a concussion from a cheap shot, and he was out 4-6 weeks. Before that was a shoulder and before that a knee. These are all normal injuries for a player his size that plays the way he does. I liked what I saw in the playoffs last year so hopefully that is the player the Flyers got.

I think the worst comment I heard from AV regarding Myers was his lack of willingness to go into a corner and take a hit to make a play. This is a very damming comment, especially if the player is 6' 5" and can skate as well as Myers can.
- jd250

I do not recall that one comment. Yeah thats not good though myers did have cracked ribs ( what a shock he was injured again).

My biggest issue is when they said a few times they have gone over the same stuff with Myers and he still is making the same mistakes. That is red flag to me.

If Nashville had waited until after the ED, they could've gotten a better deal for Ellis in my opinion.
- MJL

Well clearly the GM feels and knows differently don't you think?

It has been spelled out for you many times by different posters. You will never comprehend why it was done.
- hello it's me 2050

Spelt out by who? Nobody has explained anything to me and even if they did, what does that matter? Still not a good idea.

It was a symptom of Myers frustration and mental state due to how the season was going. It wasn't an issue at any other time of Myers development.
- MJL

did myers tell you this Dr Phil?

For the record, I was hoping Chuck wouldn’t do anything until we knew who was going to be taken by Seattle. I don’t see the point in protecting NAK.
- SuperSchennBros

I think CF has already made the deal with Seattle. They have had at least by last week had 9 conversations on the ED.

I think he made that deal because he knew what was coming. There was a reason it was done when it was done.

Ellis is better than Ekholm and is RH. Ekholm is a pending UFA after this season. Looking just strictly hockey wise, what GM gives up a legit RH top pair defenseman that is signed long term unless he was blown away with a deal?
- MJL

If Poile feels like either Carrier, Myers and/or Fabbro will fill that void, then he'll take that trade. Especially for a team that is hitting a soft reset.

If we just look at today, the trade is lopsided.

Tomorrow might be a different story completely.

Spelt out by who? Nobody has explained anything to me and even if they did, what does that matter? Still not a good idea.
- SuperSchennBros

As I said you will never comprehend why it was done. Yes it has been explained, yesterday and today.

As I said you will never comprehend why it was done. Yes it has been explained, yesterday and today.
- hello it's me 2050

It’s really sad that you’ve been on this site only a few months and you spend all day everyday talking talking poop online. Yesterday was Sunday, I’m not not loser enough to spend my off days here, worried about what a bunch of faceless strangers think about protecting Aube-Kubel. Now if you can’t explain it, you have nothing to offer.

Meyers definately has the physical skills needed to be a very good defenseman. Time will tell if he can work it out.
- bradster

Myers has the size, but not the mindset, that is one of his biggest issues.

It’s really sad that you’ve been on this site only a few months and you spend all day everyday talking talking poop online. Yesterday was Sunday, I’m not not loser enough to spend my off days here, worried about what a bunch of faceless strangers think about protecting Aube-Kubel. Now if you can’t explain it, you have nothing to offer.
- SuperSchennBros

seems odd since you posted yesterday.

seems odd since you posted yesterday.
- hello it's me 2050

Did I post all day? The Flyers had news earlier in the day so I gave my thoughts. Now you’re telling me you’re more aware of my responses than I am.

Did I post all day? The Flyers had news earlier in the day so I gave my thoughts. Now you’re telling me you’re more aware of my responses than I am.
- SuperSchennBros

Telling you you posted yesterday since you said you are not a loser who post on Sundays.

Is one a bigger loser if they post on Friday or Saturday since that is the weekend?

Did I post all day? The Flyers had news earlier in the day so I gave my thoughts. Now you’re telling me you’re more aware of my responses than I am.
- SuperSchennBros

Well you disappeared real fast once I gave the list of all the old washed up players that suck balls in their 30s which was weird because somehow when a player hits 30 they just start to be terrible hockey players.

Coots is 7 years younger of course he has less goals are you dense

I'm saying at this point in his career, Coots is a bigger offensive threat than Bergeron was. Bergerons career high in goals is 32. Coots is 7 years younger and has surpassed that already. He has very similar seasons to Bergeron at the same age. You don't trade someone like that.
- Richieattack18

Coots has averaged 17.4 goals a year over 10 years. Bergy right now has 200 more goals in career in 17 years. The question was do you think coots will score 200 goals in the next 7 years to even it out. That’s a big ask. Coots would have to get 28-29 goals in each of the next 7 years to reach Bergy. I don’t think coots gets 200 goals in next 7 years. The statement was in response to coots is a better goal scorer than Bergy yet the stats almost definitely won’t say that