Yes, good points. In comparison to Jake, assuming Tarasenko's shoulder is somewhat attached correctly, he will at least shoot the puck, which in itself makes him better than Jake. Still, a lot of risk here, so I can see where the Flyers would stay away.
- jd250

I’m not in the camp that Jake is not a good player. He is but like you I like a good mix of players. It’s good to have creative guys, shut down guys, hard to play against guys and so on. But we have lacked enough of the high end shooter type guys.

But this is a risk for the Flyers no doubt. Giving up a pick and a guy who you know is a everyday line up guy and is pretty good for a guy who’s career could end any day now. Tough call

I'm not crazy about the deal. I certainly don't think it's a bad deal. It makes the Flyers better. I have concerns about Ellis' ability to stay healthy and I don't like that they had to move Myers.
- MJL

Myers has been passed over in the flyers eyes and was expendable. When the coach calls you out several times about not getting what he is telling you maybe he just isn't to bright.

Myers isn't exactly a walking model of health. Been hurt pretty much every year he has been a pro.

Myers has been passed over in the flyers eyes and was expendable. When the coach calls you out several times about not getting what he is telling you maybe he just isn't to bright.

Myers isn't exactly a walking model of health. Been hurt pretty much every year he has been a pro.
- hello it's me 2050

This last part. People are forgetting many doubted Myers ability to stay healthy even before joining the Phantoms. Many joked and said he was made of glass.

The fact you don't like the deal is very satisfying. What ever move is next I also hope you do not like.
- hello it's me 2050

Not seeing MJL saying that at all. Just trying to analyze the trade is all. You know MJL. He is just trying to look at it from every aspect. That is all I see.

Not seeing MJL saying that at all. Just trying to analyze the trade is all. You know MJL. He is just trying to look at it from every aspect. That is all I see.
- peesinwind

Well he is the smartest guy in the room.

You can analyze the trade numerous diff ways.

I'm not crazy about the deal. I certainly don't think it's a bad deal. It makes the Flyers better. I have concerns about Ellis' ability to stay healthy and I don't like that they had to move Myers.
- MJL

While I agree Ellis has missed time, do you think there is a case to be made that these injuries are not ones related to him breaking down? They are not the chronic knee and shoulder type injuries which end a career...these injuries are a smaller guy playing a hardnosed game. While I don't want him out of the lineup, I have more concern with the Tarasenko injuries than I do with Ellis. I think Myers had a ton of upside and maybe one day we regret sending him off, but today the Flyers are better. Standing pat was not an option and all things considered we have a RH Dman which we absolutely needed and did not give up a king's ransom for it.

Well he is the smartest guy in the room.

You can analyze the trade numerous diff ways.
- hello it's me 2050

I've asked him several times, who he would've rather traded for once he started poo pooing this trade, and he hasn't answered. Some people just want to complain no matter what happens. If chuck didn't do anything people would've complained, he makes this trade, people complain. That's the nature of some people.

We needed a 1`RHD and that's what we got, and kept our younger prospects like york, Z foester etc... Gotta give something to get our RHD. If we would have got Hamilton at $9M would that have been better? Debatable.

2 years away. Patience.

Clearly this is the direction the GM is headed. He knows he has a short shelf life and the next couple of years are crucial. My guess is he really isn't worried about the last couple years of Ellis and his contract or 3 years down the line.

You can disagree with that philosophy/direction which is a very valid point.
- hello it's me 2050

I think the Flyers are closer then most people would agree. I feel last year was a hiccup. I’m thinking the team is more in the area where we saw two years ago. Needing a couple prices and some young guys making improvements.

I've asked him several times, who he would've rather traded for once he started poo pooing this trade, and he hasn't answered. Some people just want to complain no matter what happens. If chuck didn't do anything people would've complained, he makes this trade, people complain. That's the nature of some people.

We needed a 1`RHD and that's what we got, and kept our younger prospects like york, Z foester etc... Gotta give something to get our RHD. If we would have got Hamilton at $9M would that have been better? Debatable.
- bradster

He constantly poses 100 diff questions and very very rarely offers any solutions. Just cliché after cliché.

Some things were off this year, but I think making him out to be the latest Nick Zherdev reincarnation is harsh. He has committed to better 2 way play on occasion, including 2020 spring.
- PT21

Every offensive player cuts defensive corners and cheats to get an advantage going the other way. Some get more leeway than others, but by and large, it's what needs to be done to score in a tight checking league.

Its funny that the same people who complain ad nauseum about Jake are probably the same people who complain that the Flyers always draft two-way players who won't take a risk like Laughts/Rubtstov/etc.

Making plays = taking chances.

He constantly poses 100 diff questions and very very rarely offers any solutions. Just cliché after cliché.
- hello it's me 2050

If you offer solutions, people can nit pick those. Its easier to try and put up roadblocks on everyone elses thoughts.

Generally, I like this trade. If this is the only move it will not be enough though. Can't wait for the second half of this week. Should be fun.

I think the Flyers are closer then most people would agree. I feel last year was a hiccup. I’m thinking the team is more in the area where we saw two years ago. Needing a couple prices and some young guys making improvements.
- peesinwind

It was more than a hiccup imo. To much went wrong. Hopefully they make more changes. In this league you can turn it around very quick. Still woul dliek to see Eichel!!!

I do not like coaching staff. I do not think they will lead this team anywhere. They did a piss poor job and they all returned.

If you offer solutions, people can nit pick those. Its easier to try and put up roadblocks on everyone elses thoughts.
- bradster

what a message board is about, picking those solutions apart!!!

I've asked him several times, who he would've rather traded for once he started poo pooing this trade, and he hasn't answered. Some people just want to complain no matter what happens. If chuck didn't do anything people would've complained, he makes this trade, people complain. That's the nature of some people.

We needed a 1`RHD and that's what we got, and kept our younger prospects like york, Z foester etc... Gotta give something to get our RHD. If we would have got Hamilton at $9M would that have been better? Debatable.
- bradster

Thats the camp im in. Admittedly I am probably biased as I was early to the Ellis option when the idea and talk of Ekholm first came up...I preferred Ellis then and I like the move now.

Like MJL states, its hard not to imagine that 3 years from now Myers will probably have found his stride and be the superior player. However, this move isnt just about getting the one player. This is also about Ellis imapct on all our young d-men and his ability to lead by example, slow the game down and help them break their bad habits. Time will tell if Ellis presence moves the needle for Provy, Sandman and York. So for me the balance of the trade will not just be a player A vs. player B stat line comparison....it's the macro impact.

Here is what the Nashville blogger wrote who predicted that Ellis would be moved by the Preds. Take it with the usual grain of salt.



(This is a tough one. He seems to have lost his touch lately. Getting slower, no longer the dominant force he was before and the young stud we remember from leading the point for Team Canada and Windsor. I still have faith, but this one is on the edge for me. He’s under contract until he’s 37. If he's slow at 30, then well 37 doesn’t seem to look good, unless we suddenly get some Benjamin Button stuff going on).”
- MJL

So he lost a step at 30 and isn't as dominant as he was in junior?

Thats the camp im in. Admittedly I am probably biased as I was early to the Ellis option when the idea and talk of Ekholm first came up...I preferred Ellis then and I like the move now.

Like MJL states, its hard not to imagine that 3 years from now Myers will probably have found his stride and be the superior player. However, this move isnt just about getting the one player. This is also about Ellis imapct on all our young d-men and his ability to lead by example, slow the game down and help them break their bad habits. Time will tell if Ellis presence moves the needle for Provy, Sandman and York. So for me the balance of the trade will not just be a player A vs. player B stat line comparison....it's the macro impact.
- juiced

Myers has egg salad for brains. If he ever turns into a 1st pairing D man I’ll eat my hat.

While I agree Ellis has missed time, do you think there is a case to be made that these injuries are not ones related to him breaking down? They are not the chronic knee and shoulder type injuries which end a career...these injuries are a smaller guy playing a hardnosed game. While I don't want him out of the lineup, I have more concern with the Tarasenko injuries than I do with Ellis. I think Myers had a ton of upside and maybe one day we regret sending him off, but today the Flyers are better. Standing pat was not an option and all things considered we have a RH Dman which we absolutely needed and did not give up a king's ransom for it.
- JW98FlyerFan

I already posted that I don't believe he has a career ending injury scenario. He has durability issues that concern me.

I've asked him several times, who he would've rather traded for once he started poo pooing this trade, and he hasn't answered. Some people just want to complain no matter what happens. If chuck didn't do anything people would've complained, he makes this trade, people complain. That's the nature of some people.

We needed a 1`RHD and that's what we got, and kept our younger prospects like york, Z foester etc... Gotta give something to get our RHD. If we would have got Hamilton at $9M would that have been better? Debatable.
- bradster

I like this since I'm often criticized and accused of having orange colored glasses on and approving of everything the Flyers do. This is a nice change for me. This is just another characterization you have made concerning me that is not correct. Second time just today.

So he lost a step at 30 and isn't as dominant as he was in junior?



- Tomahawk

I took as more of Ellis slowing down recently. Like I said, take it with a grain of salt and it's just one blogger's opinion. We know how that goes. It's about looking at why Nashville made this deal.

Myers has egg salad for brains.
- hereticpride

This is complete crap. Before last season he was a promising young defenseman and a bright spot for the organization. Hard to believe that a young inexperienced defenseman had issues sorting it out playing on a team that was dysfunctional in all areas and in attention to team detail.

I like this since I'm often criticized and accused of having orange colored glasses on and approving of everything the Flyers do. This is a nice change for me. This is just another characterization you have made concerning me that is not correct. Second time just today.
- MJL

But maybe it is correct and you just don't see it. I think saying you have orange colored glasses isn't critical. Its just is what it is. A large % of people favor the players from their own team over other teams players, thats just the nature of it.

Like some people think we need to get rid of coots, because he's almost 30. Its not critical of his game, just think they need to move on from him before he slows down.

I already posted that I don't believe he has a career ending injury scenario. He has durability issues that concern me.
- MJL

does myers durability issues scare you? If not why.

This is complete crap. Before last season he was a promising young defenseman and a bright spot for the organization. Hard to believe that a young inexperienced defenseman had issues sorting it out playing on a team that was dysfunctional in all areas and in attention to team detail.
- MJL

Meyers definately has the physical skills needed to be a very good defenseman. Time will tell if he can work it out.

But maybe it is correct and you just don't see it. I think saying you have orange colored glasses isn't critical. Its just is what it is. A large % of people favor the players from their own team over other teams players, thats just the nature of it.

Like some people think we need to get rid of coots, because he's almost 30. Its not critical of his game, just think they need to move on from him before he slows down.
- bradster

When you start talking about posters instead of posters opinions, which are free game, you are out of line. Make a credible argument instead and then we can have an adult conversation.