If Ellis stays healthy I would agree.
- PLindbergh31

In fact Nashville had so much faith in Patrick they moved him right away for Cody Glass, who is another young player with good upside but hasn't shown it yet in this league. This should make Flyers fans even happier, no know there are other GMs that see the same thing we do in regards to Patrick. Now in Vegas, if it doesn't work out for Patrick there, he can quickly transition and become a nightclub act

In fact Nashville had so much faith in Patrick they move him right away for Cody Glass, who is another young player with good upside but hasn't shown it yet in this league. This should make Flyers fans even happier, no know there are other GMs that see the same thing we do in regards to Patrick.
- jd250

To be honest I can’t stand Patrick. With the way he played last year he didn’t even belong on the ice: To demand a trade with the way he’s performed takes balls the size of church bells. Just a regrettable situation drafting him with the players who were selected right after. I’m glad he’s gone. If he develops in Vegas so be it. I don’t think he will though.

My comments from previous post:
- Glak18

Good comments…

Well, what I can say .... except HALLELUJAH! Given my positions posted in the past, I have to not only be bearish on this trade, I have to be completely giddy! I think Ryan Ellis is a great defenseman and great leader. He is Kimmo Timonen and maybe even slightly better. And the Flyers got him by trading away what I believe are their two worst players in Myers and Patrick. Both players may turn the corner and become good players in this league, but both players needed a fresh start, and the Flyers desperately needed a leader on the backend. This is a great hockey trade IMO, because the Flyers still keep their draft picks and good young players coming up.

BUT .... the Flyers need more than this on defense. They need 1 big tough top 4 defenseman, so look for Fletcher now to sign either Savard or Larsson when Free agency starts. I called this trade; I have been wanting Ellis or Ekholm for most of this season and I knew Nashville couldn't afford to keep both. Now the next step is to get one more top 4 guy, and a backup goalie in Free agency.

Nice start CF!!!
- jd250

Bullish not bearish

If I were CF I would see if I could sweeten the pot with my 2021 2nd round pick and ask them to pick Jake in the ED. I would not trade my 1st round pick this year, but might be open to trading my 1st next year, because I expect the Flyers to be a hell of a lot better next year so that pick better be in the mid 20s at least.

Bullish not bearish
- DrMidnite

oh ... you're right!!

Does this trade make signing Ryan Suter less likely?
- Shrike

YUP! And thank goodness for that!

Bill the Flyers are better when he's in the line up.... which he doesn't have a good track record of doing

No idea what Suters plans are but we are in a unique scenario with cap room this year but not the following. Depending on if Seattle takes a bigger contract I’d love to see Fletcher get creative and offer Suter a 1 year, high cap, contract that makes it worth his while. If Sanheim could move to the right side, a top 4 of Provy-Ellis and Suter-Sanheim would be a strong group. I have faith the forwards will bounce back .

Ellis has missed 79 games the last 4 seasons. He played the full schedule in 2018-2019. If he averages missing 1/4 of the season as history shows then you have a problem. If he stays healthy it’s a sound trade. You can’t continue to just stand pat with the way the last decade has gone.
- PLindbergh31

he will only stay healthy if he's playing ineffective which will drive us crazy

Prolly get ripped but I’m
Ok with the trade for Ellis as long as there is something else coming. A signing of Oleksiak would make it better. A little bit of size on the back end. Also we need more size up front. Right now most of the available cap space will be used up signing Sanheim and hart. So another cap dump has to be in the plans. I assume they know who the kraken is taking and know more salary will be taken off the books.

Does this trade make signing Ryan Suter less likely?
- Shrike

I don't think it was all that likely to begin with. I think the Flyers remain in the market for physical, shutdown-type for RD2 in addition to at least one/two forwards plus a backup goalie.

Theoretically, though, if there were a left-side D spot need, Suter could fill that for a year or two.

Well, what I can say .... except HALLELUJAH! Given my positions posted in the past, I have to not only be bearish on this trade, I have to be completely giddy! I think Ryan Ellis is a great defenseman and great leader. He is Kimmo Timonen and maybe even slightly better. And the Flyers got him by trading away what I believe are their two worst players in Myers and Patrick. Both players may turn the corner and become good players in this league, but both players needed a fresh start, and the Flyers desperately needed a leader on the backend. This is a great hockey trade IMO, because the Flyers still keep their draft picks and good young players coming up.

BUT .... the Flyers need more than this on defense. They need 1 big tough top 4 defenseman, so look for Fletcher now to sign either Savard or Larsson when Free agency starts. I called this trade; I have been wanting Ellis or Ekholm for most of this season and I knew Nashville couldn't afford to keep both. Now the next step is to get one more top 4 guy, and a backup goalie in Free agency.

Nice start CF!!!
- jd250

I wouldn’t say I’m “giddy”. But I also think it’s was time to be aggressive. I’ve been saying it for 5 years. Not because I disagreed with the Hextall plan, but because they could afford to do both….chew gum and walk at the same time. I thought they owed it to a Giroux and Vorecek in their prime to at least attempt to add some proven players….some around love to announce…why make moves, we are not a contender, we are TWO years away….it’s really laughable and shows a complete lack of what pro sports are. You don’t have to trade young guys for old guys….you can make hockey trades. You can trade good payer and get good players back that are a better fit….Hextall didn’t seem to grasp that and I was “giddy” when they finally fired him. Not because I disliked the Flyer legend, but because he allowed the Flyers to lose their identity I grew up loving and become just “another” team. I hope Fletch isn’t done and from yesterday’s comments I don’t think he is.

Prolly get ripped but I’m
Ok with the trade for Ellis as long as there is something else coming. A signing of Oleksiak would make it better. A little bit of size on the back end. Also we need more size up front. Right now most of the available cap space will be used up signing Sanheim and hart. So another cap dump has to be in the plans. I assume they know who the kraken is taking and know more salary will be taken off the books.
- jmdodgeser4

Oleksiak is fine as LD3 or serviceable enough as a LD2 if he has the right partner.

he will only stay healthy if he's playing ineffective which will drive us crazy
- 2Real

He stayed healthy in three of four years (including playing every game in 2018-19) before missed significant time the last two seasons. No question that there's an injury risk. If he misses 10 games or so but is reasonably healthy for the stretch and playoffs -- as he was in 2020-21, as a matter of fact -- that's OK.

Prolly get ripped but I’m
Ok with the trade for Ellis as long as there is something else coming. A signing of Oleksiak would make it better. A little bit of size on the back end. Also we need more size up front. Right now most of the available cap space will be used up signing Sanheim and hart. So another cap dump has to be in the plans. I assume they know who the kraken is taking and know more salary will be taken off the books.
- jmdodgeser4

The Flyers need a better Dman than Oleksiak!

If I were CF I would see if I could sweeten the pot with my 2021 2nd round pick and ask them to pick Jake in the ED. I would not trade my 1st round pick this year, but might be open to trading my 1st next year, because I expect the Flyers to be a hell of a lot better next year so that pick better be in the mid 20s at least.
- jd250

Seattle is asking for a 1st at minimum to take on big money.

And... the Ellis trade seems to indicated that CF is transitioning to win now. Unless there's an affordable Jake replacement out there, it would seem more in keeping with that kind of plan to hang on to your #1 playmaker and top scorer.

I wouldn’t say I’m “giddy”. But I also think it’s was time to be aggressive. I’ve been saying it for 5 years. Not because I disagreed with the Hextall plan, but because they could afford to do both….chew gum and walk at the same time. I thought they owed it to a Giroux and Vorecek in their prime to at least attempt to add some proven players….some around love to announce…why make moves, we are not a contender, we are TWO years away….it’s really laughable and shows a complete lack of what pro sports are. You don’t have to trade young guys for old guys….you can make hockey trades. You can trade good payer and get good players back that are a better fit….Hextall didn’t seem to grasp that and I was “giddy” when they finally fired him. Not because I disliked the Flyer legend, but because he allowed the Flyers to lose their identity I grew up loving and become just “another” team. I hope Fletch isn’t done and from yesterday’s comments I don’t think he is.

- landros 2

Well said! I hope Hextall does the same thing in Pittsburgh now!

Seattle is asking for a 1st at minimum to take on big money.

And... the Ellis trade seems to indicated that CF is transitioning to win now. Unless there's an affordable Jake replacement out there, it would seem more in keeping with that kind of plan to hang on to your #1 playmaker and top scorer.
- Tomahawk

If Jake is your # 1 playmaker and top scorer, you are in TROUBLE! I don't expect him to be on this team much longer.

might as well acquire tarasenko if we're going to take a risk on injury prone players

I wouldn’t say I’m “giddy”. But I also think it’s was time to be aggressive. I’ve been saying it for 5 years. Not because I disagreed with the Hextall plan, but because they could afford to do both….chew gum and walk at the same time. I thought they owed it to a Giroux and Vorecek in their prime to at least attempt to add some proven players….some around love to announce…why make moves, we are not a contender, we are TWO years away….it’s really laughable and shows a complete lack of what pro sports are. You don’t have to trade young guys for old guys….you can make hockey trades. You can trade good payer and get good players back that are a better fit….Hextall didn’t seem to grasp that and I was “giddy” when they finally fired him. Not because I disliked the Flyer legend, but because he allowed the Flyers to lose their identity I grew up loving and become just “another” team. I hope Fletch isn’t done and from yesterday’s comments I don’t think he is.

- landros 2

This was a great hockey trade. Ellis is a great fit for this roster right now. And Chuck is not close to being done. This is a great start from Chuck.

With that said I’m sad to see Myers and Patrick gone. They weren’t excelling but didn’t cost much either. They both were frustrating over the last couple years. So much potential.

But no where close to making the impact the
Ellis can. This is a needle mover.

If Jake is your # 1 playmaker and top scorer, you are in TROUBLE! I don't expect him to be on this team much longer.
- jd250

I think he was referring to JVR as the scorer….moving Vorecek is going to be hard. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is what Bill said…the #13, as a sweetener….I don’t like it unless it meant something, much, much bigger was to follow…an Eichel, a Jones, a Tkachuk….

If Jake is your # 1 playmaker and top scorer, you are in TROUBLE! I don't expect him to be on this team much longer.
- jd250

Jake was #35 amongst NHL forwards in ES P/60 last season. That's ahead of guys like Patrick Kane, Will Nylander, Kyle Connor, Tavares, Debrincat, Point and Aho.

He's not a perfect player by any means, but he's still very very effective.

might as well acquire tarasenko if we're going to take a risk on injury prone players
- 2Real

If that is a Jake for Tarasenko straight up I’m for that risk.

But don't make the mistake that Ellis is anywhere close the a Tarasenko risk. Ellis is a big trade win. They have been kicking the tires on this trade prior to the trade deadline.

If Jake is your # 1 playmaker and top scorer, you are in TROUBLE! I don't expect him to be on this team much longer.
- jd250

Voracek is 8th across the ENTIRE NHL in assists across his time in Philadelphia (Giroux is 2nd in the NHL in the same span). He's averaged 0.83 points per game. As long as the offense is spread out across a deep group, as was the case in 2019-20, that's fine.

Will say it again: The Flyers NHL-level issues for the majority of the past seven years stemmed from team-building decisions by the GM, not from failures by Giroux, Voracek or Couturier. They didn't have enough quality pieces around them, because the GM's focus (for understandable reasons) was on a farm system restock and asset collecting.

I'm fine with Voracek moving on. But he's done more good than bad in his time here.