Okay so I’ve had time to digest the trade and see some posters responses to trade. A few points I’d like to make

1) Ellis is NOT some great 1d that some are making him out to be and answer to the top pairing problem. He’s like provy probably a good 1b on top pair. He had this guy Josi as a partner who won a Norris trophy and is all star.

2) Ellis while a good 1b probably slots as a great 2nd pair dman. Can we or do we really want to try to win cup with 2 1b dmen on top pair? I think this trade makes perfect sense and value goes up if we get a legit 1d. Can now be either lh or rh because we have either provy or Ellis to pair with that player. And provy or Ellis would be great 2nd pair d

Also the age/term on Ellis is concerning but not prohibited to player because d usually can play well into 30’s even if they lose a step. The position is not just about speed skill like forward. Although I don’t think generally it’s ideal.

In summary I’m looking to see if Hamilton isn’t the target come Fa. That would slot our d perfectly for the next 6 years
- Stayin alive

i'll pass on that

If I am the Kraken, I take Price.

Amazing that he waived.

i'll pass on that
- bradster

Then you’ll see team that has very very little chance to win cup 🤷‍♂️

https://youtu.be/I5_7KFeDEeo

https://youtu.be/Qq1fHn4Gmnk

https://youtu.be/KminUYEz0Xg

Here’s Voracek in a nutshell. Unforced egregious turnovers in all three zones. Lack of defense, and back checking that lead to GAA. How can you make that kind of money, be considered a leader and a playmaker, and frequently make these types of plays. His decision making is some of the worst I’ve ever seen in a player who’s supposed to be high caliber.

Yes he was significantly better. Timonen had 8 seasons of 40+ points and 2 seasons where he recorded over 50 points. Ellis has had one season of 40 or more points. Injuries however are a factor for Ellis. Ellis is not better in anyway.
- MJL

I really like Kimmo, but during his 7 seasons with the Flyers Kimmo never scored 10 goals or more and only had 3 season with over 40 points. Kimmo was an all around very good defenseman, but so is Ryan Ellis. I believe if he stays healthy, Ellis could put up 50 points for the Flyers.

https://youtu.be/I5_7KFeDEeo

https://youtu.be/Qq1fHn4Gmnk

https://youtu.be/KminUYEz0Xg

Here’s Voracek in a nutshell. Unforced egregious turnovers in all three zones. Lack of defense, and back checking that lead to GAA. How can you make that kind of money, be considered a leader and a playmaker, and frequently make these types of plays. His decision making is some of the worst I’ve ever seen in a player who’s supposed to be high caliber.


- pharcyde

i'll pass on that
- bradster

Exactly, at $8M+ per year, the Flyers don't need to make that kind of commitment to any player.

Tampa Bay for starters. Colorado.
- MJL

Colorado (with the trade of Graves) has Makar, Toews and Girard. They are significantly better than Ellis, Provorov and Savard? Tampa I will give you. My point is there are maybe two teams with a better top 4 than the Flyers with the addition or either Larsson or Savard IMO.

I'm not sure how they bring Voracek back? Told him you were exposing him. Then, if not chosen by Seattle, you'd work on a trade with him.

I wouldn't imagine it's a move for the sake of making a move, but they appear come hell or high water they are looking to ship him out.
- Pelle31Forever

Jake is not coming back. AV wants to win a cup badly and knows you can't win with liabilities like Jake and Myers, and busts like Patrick. CF is going to significantly change the makeup of this team and its about time!

How about the GM in Vegas? Why did he trade for Patrick. Also by the way, Ellis is not better than Kimmo Timonen.
- MJL

For the same reason the Flyers traded Patrick, both players needed a fresh start.

I am not a big fan of Ryan Ellis. However, i am a big fan of the Flyers finally actually doing something for a change, so I’ll take it. IMO, I think he was one of the weaker names of available players and that in 3 years we will be looking to dump him, but again, it is about time this team finally made a meaningful hockey trade.

I believe that the Kraken are most likely to select in order: Ghost, JVR, Braun, Haag, Voracek. I think the Voracek thing will be ugly, we don’t want him and no one else does either with his contract so chances are he is back…awkward.

I am excited to see new faces next year, instead of the same old mediocre garbage. We may get the same results but at least we can see new possibilities. I am hoping there is more to come, especially at 2 or 3 C, backup goalie and hopefully one more good defenseman.

Exactly, at $8M+ per year, the Flyers don't need to make that kind of commitment to any player.
- jd250

What star elite player make no $.
What team wins without star players?
So status quo?
Cool

Okay so I’ve had time to digest the trade and see some posters responses to trade. A few points I’d like to make

1) Ellis is NOT some great 1d that some are making him out to be and answer to the top pairing problem. He’s like provy probably a good 1b on top pair. He had this guy Josi as a partner who won a Norris trophy and is all star.

2) Ellis while a good 1b probably slots as a great 2nd pair dman. Can we or do we really want to try to win cup with 2 1b dmen on top pair? I think this trade makes perfect sense and value goes up if we get a legit 1d. Can now be either lh or rh because we have either provy or Ellis to pair with that player. And provy or Ellis would be great 2nd pair d

Also the age/term on Ellis is concerning but not prohibited to player because d usually can play well into 30’s even if they lose a step. The position is not just about speed skill like forward. Although I don’t think generally it’s ideal.

In summary I’m looking to see if Hamilton isn’t the target come Fa. That would slot our d perfectly for the next 6 years
- Stayin alive

Not a bad assessment of the term and AAV in Ellis’ contract. I’m one who says he is a solid top pairing Defender. He is better then Provy. I have watched him play. His hockey IQ is really high and his wheels are well above average. He is just very well rounded. Plays 24 min plus a game in all situations and excels at it. Josi is really good no doubt but don’t over look Ellis. Nashville fans are sad to see him go overall.

His injury concerns are real but not a lot of big career concerning injuries. He gets banged up some. But he plays with a high octane type game. Real intense and physical. Doesn’t give a lot of room out there. He is one of those guys that will make this team much harder to match up with.

What star elite player make no $.
What team wins without star players?
So status quo?
Cool
- Stayin alive

I am not a Hamilton fan and don't want to commit that kind of money to that player. If you know anything about what I posted in the past you know that I don't want status quo. I just think the Flyers can fix their defense with two very good players versus one so called elite player, and that leaves cap space to fill other holes at forward and in goal.

I am not a Hamilton fan and don't want to commit that kind of money to that player. If you know anything about what I posted in the past you know that I don't want status quo. I just think the Flyers can fix their defense with two very good players versus one so called elite player, and that leaves cap space to fill other holes at forward and in goal.
- jd250

Agreed. Hamilton is a needle mover for sure but the asking price may be to high. I like the 6.5 for Ellis. Great bang for your buck.

Those that liked the year Nisky was on the back end will like this trade. Ellis is much better and IMO fits perfectly in.

Not many teams have the depth to put Savard on their third pair. Tampa did, since they already had Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh and Cernak. He's been mostly a 20-minute (or very close to 20-min) guy, and mostly on playoff-caliber Columbus teams. In the right mix, he'd still be OK on a second pairing.
- bmeltzer

I get that there just isn’t enough talent available. He will play top 4 because some teams don’t have a better option. Last year his TOI was 19 min in the regular season and 14 min in the playoffs. His sweet spot is probably 14-17 min. On a 2nd pair, he is likely to play 20-22 min. That team will pay a price performance wise for those extended minutes.

Agreed. Hamilton is a needle mover for sure but the asking price may be to high. I like the 6.5 for Ellis. Great bang for your buck.

Those that liked the year Nisky was on the back end will like this trade. Ellis is much better and IMO fits perfectly in.
- peesinwind

6.25 for ellis

Flyers getting an A from most of the pundits on the trade. I think it was a slam dunk and am frankly shocked all it took was Myers and Patrick.

Flyers getting an A from most of the pundits on the trade. I think it was a slam dunk and am frankly shocked all it took was Myers and Patrick.
- MBFlyerfan

Yes, as I mentioned, the Flyers got a very good player in exchange for two of their worst players last season. That is what I call a good deal!

Not sure how you think giving up on two young players w potential for a small older def has made you better but ok
- mattstake

So basically any trade for draft picks is a mistake because those picks have 'potential'??

Flyers getting an A from most of the pundits on the trade. I think it was a slam dunk and am frankly shocked all it took was Myers and Patrick.
- MBFlyerfan

It’s pretty wild that was the cost. We still have 13OA, current roster players, and prospects to trade if an opportunity is there for Fletcher.

Okay so I’ve had time to digest the trade and see some posters responses to trade. A few points I’d like to make

1) Ellis is NOT some great 1d that some are making him out to be and answer to the top pairing problem. He’s like provy probably a good 1b on top pair. He had this guy Josi as a partner who won a Norris trophy and is all star.

2) Ellis while a good 1b probably slots as a great 2nd pair dman. Can we or do we really want to try to win cup with 2 1b dmen on top pair? I think this trade makes perfect sense and value goes up if we get a legit 1d. Can now be either lh or rh because we have either provy or Ellis to pair with that player. And provy or Ellis would be great 2nd pair d

Also the age/term on Ellis is concerning but not prohibited to player because d usually can play well into 30’s even if they lose a step. The position is not just about speed skill like forward. Although I don’t think generally it’s ideal.

In summary I’m looking to see if Hamilton isn’t the target come Fa. That would slot our d perfectly for the next 6 years
- Stayin alive

Can you win a cup with three 1b dmen and another legitimate top 4 dman? I think you have a better chance to win with 4 very good dmen instead of 1 elite dman and 3 mediocre dmen.

This is where you are dead wrong. Why would Jake be likely taken? At that cap hit? No one wants anything to do with him. And why would they take Ghost when no one wanted him for free? JVR is the most likely to get taken out of those 3 but even that is wishful thinking because of his cap hit. You are banking on Seattle helping us and I don't think that will be the case.

Watch them grab Hagg or even Sandstrom if it's not JVR. But to say those other two are "likely Seattle picks" couldn't be more wrong. We will see I guess.


- black_francis

Well for starters, I’m not dead because Seattle hasn’t made their picks yet.

What’s so hard to understand that regardless of whether Ghost was placed on waivers mid season is irrelevant. Picking up a 4.5 million dollar player isn’t a spare of the moment move. It’s an off-season move when teams have a plan and cap space.

Jake Voracek, I can’t confirm or deny whether or not he’s the cancer you’re making him out to be. I’ve heard nothing but good things since he’s been here. Wayne Simmonds and him were right. Giroux and Jake factually hangout. I wouldn’t want him on my team for price tag alone.

JvR, I have no idea why anyone would think he’s all but being picked up but I’d also have to look around the league to see who wasn’t protected.

If I am the Kraken, I take Price.

Amazing that he waived.
- NC Flyers Fan

He would be an amazing foundation to build a team on. Like what Vegas got out of MAF in the first couple of seasons. Except better.

Yes, as I mentioned, the Flyers got a very good player in exchange for two of their worst players last season. That is what I call a good deal!
- jd250

I agree the cost was good but calling them their worst players is out of line IMO. That ignores their potential which is the sole reason the other teams involved made the trades