Kraken would have to sign him before trading him. I doubt that they do. Only way I would be interested in Saad is as UFA on short term low ball deal.
- Ztra

Since I'm not Darth, and it's not assumed, I should have used red font.

j didn't want Saad back the first boomerang trade.

Sorry, misunderstood you. I'm sure that many of the 1st group of players would be available for trade. Most of that list are expensive under achievers or past their prime. Wouldn't want any of them on the Hawks though.

I can see Seattle taking a run at Landeskog.
- boilermaker100

Yeah, there aren't many cap hits on this list we can take on when you look at the value the player is likely to provide. Too bad.

In all seriousness, I feel like Gourde gave us fits in every game. I don't pay close enough attention to other teams, but his is a name that stuck out for me.
- pdx2ord

Guess I wasn't crazy

@JFreshHockey
Let's take a look at some of Seattle's best options.

First up is Yanni Gourde, an excellent two-way centre who kills penalties and forechecks like his life depends on it. The term isn't ideal maybe but I would consider him to be a no-brainer pick. #SeaKraken

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His account also has a SEA roster builder app link posted. You can play around with players and cap hit to find the best mix.

Here are the complete protected/unprotected lists for each team.

https://nhlrumors.com/pro...pansion-draft/2021/07/18/

Theo,
What sense does it make to start young Centers on the Wing? Repetition is the mother of improvement. Putting them at the wing gives them zero shot at improving at the dot against NHL talent besides in practice (if they are given time to do that). Kampf needs to go. Keeping him is keeping half a player and doesn't utilize the numerous bottom 6 forwards in the organization. Shut down or not, he needs to go to make room for someone (Barratt or Enteistle) who is more offensively capable & can grow into that shutdown role.
Thanks for listening!
Power29

Theo,
What sense does it make to start young Centers on the Wing? Repetition is the mother of improvement. Putting them at the wing gives them zero shot at improving at the dot against NHL talent besides in practice (if they are given time to do that). Kampf needs to go. Keeping him is keeping half a player and doesn't utilize the numerous bottom 6 forwards in the organization. Shut down or not, he needs to go to make room for someone (Barratt or Enteistle) who is more offensively capable & can grow into that shutdown role.
Thanks for listening!
Power29
- Power29

I've never understood that, assuming you want your centers to be your playmakers and not your wings (Kane being one obvious exception that may have convinced them it's OK).

For example, with Strome, he was not good on wing and they kept pushing it. Not sure why the assumption is that if they are not good at wing, they couldn't be good as a center.

I'm sure the hockey experienced on here can explain.

If I am the Kraken if I cannot flip Zadorov I take Gaudette. He is cheap with upside.

Then the Hawks sign, trade, or let Zadorov walk.

DeHaan might be able to be moved at the TDL.
- Ztra

I think Seattle takes de Haan. He’s a solid d-man plus he can be flipped for a decent return at the TDL (as you said). I like Gaudette, but from Seattle’s perspective is he work taking a chance on?

I think Seattle takes de Haan. He’s a solid d-man plus he can be flipped for a decent return at the TDL (as you said). I like Gaudette, but from Seattle’s perspective is he work taking a chance on?
- DarthKane

It'll be funny if they sign Z, how many trades can Bowman (frank) up when the player involved has the name of Saad? Seems like all of them

I think Seattle takes de Haan. He’s a solid d-man plus he can be flipped for a decent return at the TDL (as you said). I like Gaudette, but from Seattle’s perspective is he work taking a chance on?
- DarthKane

I am a little concerned I think Gaudette will be the one hope not just a feeling .I would have left Kamp out there .

It'll be funny if they sign Z, how many trades can Bowman (frank) up when the player involved has the name of Saad? Seems like all of them
- BetweenTheDots

Well he could of kept Saad and lose him for nothing. Stan had Saad on the trading market last TDL and off-season. Supposedly Boston, Pittsburgh, LA Kings were interested, but I haven’t yet seen who Stan was offered in return. I am willing to bet Zadorov was probably the best trade he was offered. Especially with his $6 mil. Cap hit, as much as we remember his contributions to 2 cups, his last years he is nothing more than an overpaid middle six untradeable winger.

Colorado doesn t seem too anxious to resign him.

Did Stan lose the trade? It ends up being a meaningless trade. Saad would not have made the Hawks any better. Janmark replaced his production. What would Saad have gotten at the TDL? I didn’t see many first round picks being thrown about at the TDL.

I am a little concerned I think Gaudette will be the one hope not just a feeling .I would have left Kamp out there .
- oldduffman

I’ve seen several mock expansion drafts that have Seattle taking Subban from the Hawks.

Toews is and will be fine. He wouldnt have come out if that wasnt the case. Maybe some rust but thats all, he will be a fine 1C for the Hawks for a few years. Which is nice.

I’ve seen several mock expansion drafts that have Seattle taking Subban from the Hawks.
- DarthKane

That would be ideal IMO.

Well he could of kept Saad and lose him for nothing. Stan had Saad on the trading market last TDL and off-season. Supposedly Boston, Pittsburgh, LA Kings were interested, but I haven’t yet seen who Stan was offered in return. I am willing to bet Zadorov was probably the best trade he was offered. Especially with his $6 mil. Cap hit, as much as we remember his contributions to 2 cups, his last years he is nothing more than an overpaid middle six untradeable winger.

Colorado doesn t seem too anxious to resign him.

Did Stan lose the trade? It ends up being a meaningless trade. Saad would not have made the Hawks any better. Janmark replaced his production. What would Saad have gotten at the TDL? I didn’t see many first round picks being thrown about at the TDL.
- LAHawk

I think he could of at least gotten what he got for Janmark. More of a concern is the Blackhawks brain trust, did they believe Z was a quality dman? That's what scares me.

Theo,
What sense does it make to start young Centers on the Wing? Repetition is the mother of improvement. Putting them at the wing gives them zero shot at improving at the dot against NHL talent besides in practice (if they are given time to do that). Kampf needs to go. Keeping him is keeping half a player and doesn't utilize the numerous bottom 6 forwards in the organization. Shut down or not, he needs to go to make room for someone (Barratt or Enteistle) who is more offensively capable & can grow into that shutdown role.
Thanks for listening!
Power29
- Power29

On the question of playing young centers at wing, one reason is to help them acclimate to NHL speed and rigor with the intent of moving them to the middle within the next 1-2 years depending on their learning curve.

Some youngsters are strong and talented enough to be slotted at center right away and sometimes teams can afford to do so. Or teams are in need of centers so they have no choice but to slot them at pivot no matter how ready they are.

If there's a slot available and the youngster is capable of holding their own at least defensively (they don't need to light it up offensively yet), then I have no issue having them at center from the get go.

On the question of playing young centers at wing, one reason is to help them acclimate to NHL speed and rigor with the intent of moving them to the middle within the next 1-2 years depending on their learning curve.

Some youngsters are strong and talented enough to be slotted at center right away and sometimes teams can afford to do so. Or teams are in need of centers so they have no choice but to slot them at pivot no matter how ready they are.

If there's a slot available and the youngster is capable of holding their own at least defensively (they don't need to light it up offensively yet), then I have no issue having them at center from the get go.
- Theo Fox

Just curious, what do you think the time line is for Reichel?

Theo,
What sense does it make to start young Centers on the Wing? Repetition is the mother of improvement. Putting them at the wing gives them zero shot at improving at the dot against NHL talent besides in practice (if they are given time to do that). Kampf needs to go. Keeping him is keeping half a player and doesn't utilize the numerous bottom 6 forwards in the organization. Shut down or not, he needs to go to make room for someone (Barratt or Enteistle) who is more offensively capable & can grow into that shutdown role.
Thanks for listening!
Power29
- Power29

On the question of Kampf being protected, I agree with you in the medium or long term that he's not the answer as more offensive jam from the 4C would be better.

If Kampf is to be replaced, whoever takes his spot needs to at least be solid defensively and on draws rather than good offensively but not in their end.

Entwistle has the makings of being Kampf's heir apparent. If that happens as early as this season, I'm all for it. He brings compete, size, defense, and underrated offense.

Otherwise, Kampf centering Entwistle and Hardman is a pretty good 4th line, IMO, for 1-2 more seasons. Eventually I would like to see Entwistle centering Hardman and any combination of Johnson, Slavin, or Barratt.

My sleeper would be Altybarmakian, though. Fearless, non-stop motor, good hands offensively. Willing to skate through brick walls and take on opponents twice his size.

Toronto will never go anywhere with their defensive group, they have too much cap tied up with their forwards. They made a mistake when they signed Tavares, that money should have been spent on defense and forward depth, like bottom six.
- Angotti

Exactly. When they signed Tavares they needed defensemen. Tavares was a nice to have but not a need. Today Tavares is still a nice to have but they still need defensemen. And like you said, without defensemen they are going nowhere … fast!

That would be ideal IMO.
- Ogilthorpe2

Add Zadorov as a sweetener and it would be more ideal.

Just curious, what do you think the time line is for Reichel?
- BetweenTheDots

Ideally, Reichel should start the season in Rockford to get acclimated to North American ice and to pro speed and rigor. Yet, I wouldn't see him needing a full season in the AHL unless there are simply no spots available with the Hawks.

Best case scenario: he makes the team out of camp as a top 9 winger.

Worse case scenario: he plays the entire season in Rockford but is strong enough to get a cup of coffee but can't due to no space.

Most likely scenario: he starts in Rockford and earns at least a cup off coffee partway through the season and may have staying power once in Chicago.

The same could be said about Borgstrom but feel the Hawks will give him every shot to earn one of the center spots behind Toews, Dach, and Strome. His chances go up if Strome is dealt.

Add Zadorov as a sweetener and it would be more ideal.
- paulr

Perfect scenario. Kraken take Subban. Move Zadorov for a 2nd to 4th round pick at the entry draft. Have deHaan stay healthy and trade him at the TDL for a 2nd to 4th round pick.

The Kraken now have all team protection and exposure lists and need to submit their selections to the league office by 10am EDT on Wednesday. Official unveiling of the Kraken roster (including all picks and trades) will be at 8pm EDT that evening.

Toews is and will be fine. He wouldnt have come out if that wasnt the case. Maybe some rust but thats all, he will be a fine 1C for the Hawks for a few years. Which is nice.
- FeatheredFinn

Toews’ condition is hardly fine. It can be aggravated by stress and illness. Reducing his stress is key to long term success. Now that the protected lists are out, the CBH should make a play for Yanni Gourde instead of Danault.

Overall, seeing these lists makes me wonder why there were not more trades before Saturday. Especially from the CBH. There is a lot of talent available and we could have made a significant impact on the rebuild with what’s available.

FYI: Jack Han is a renowned analyst with ties to the Toronto organization (Leafs and Marlies). His Seattle pick from Chicago is Gaudette.

@JhanHky

CHI: Adam Gaudette

24YO RW/C
Despite an underwhelming statistical profile, he moves really well and is sneaky-skilled. Could be a total bust in SEA or could be the next William Karlsson. Worth a gamble as an RFA.

Toews’ condition is hardly fine. It can be aggravated by stress and illness. Reducing his stress is key to long term success. Now that the protected lists are out, the CBH should make a play for Yanni Gourde instead of Danault.

Overall, seeing these lists makes me wonder why there were not more trades before Saturday. Especially from the CBH. There is a lot of talent available and we could have made a significant impact on the rebuild with what’s available.
- Diamondhands

Trades can resume on Thursday. Forget the exact time but roster freeze ends after the Kraken have announced their team.

There should be a lot more action heading into the entry draft (July 23-24) and afterwards heading into the free agency period (July 28).