The Flyers aren't a team who is contending mode yet and is a team that should be focused on drafting and developing players. They have no business giving up first round picks just to move a player.
- MJL

Exactly. And there shouldn’t be a team giving 30 free agents term and $ contracts like coots.

Bill is 100% right. Voracek is still a producer on this team and paying someone to take him is just stupid. I might throw them a third to take JVR but otherwise no thanks. These aren’t 8 year contracts.

I do agree with some people’s opinions about the core and it’s motivation issues and 200 ft game. But paying someone to create more holes is not the answer.

If Fletcher doesn’t make the right moves and JV or JVR isn’t selected then at the deadline we can look at moving JV for assets if we retain salary. However, I think there are some options out there to make this team better.

I wonder is Parise and Suter want to play together again.

The real albatross is the Kevin Hayes contract. Coming off of core muscle surgery, at his age, future does not look particularly bright.
- Sinisalo4vr

Hayes 1st year here not injured was 1 of best forwards and absolutely worth every penny of his contract. Playing with injury not so much. His injury is not career injury. He will be fine.

Bill is 100% right. Voracek is still a producer on this team and paying someone to take him is just stupid. I might throw them a third to take JVR but otherwise no thanks. These aren’t 8 year contracts.

I do agree with some people’s opinions about the core and it’s motivation issues and 200 ft game. But paying someone to create more holes is not the answer.

If Fletcher doesn’t make the right moves and JV or JVR isn’t selected then at the deadline we can look at moving JV for assets if we retain salary. However, I think there are some options out there to make this team better.

I wonder is Parise and Suter want to play together again.
- youarewrong

Parise and suter 🤮

Is our list as predicted?

At some point I wish we could have a realistic discussion of what can and will be done this offseason.

This "EA NHL '21 GM mode with the restrictions off" game is getting tiresome.

Best case we can hope for is JVR getting chosen by Seattle. 2nd best case is Ghost getting selected.

If neither of those things happen, deals will get dicey at best. People better start getting used to the idea that if the trade makes no sense for both teams, its not going to happen.

MAYBE one of JVR, Ghost, or Voracek will be gone by season start, it would be a miracle if two aren't here. But all three?

Fantasy hockey boards open up in September.

Is our list as predicted?
- SuperSchennBros

It won't become public until tomorrow.

It won't become public until tomorrow.
- bmeltzer

Teams can choose to announce there list if they’d like. Hopefully philly does. Who want to wait extra 24 hours 😂

Teams can choose to announce there list if they’d like. Hopefully philly does. Who want to wait extra 24 hours 😂
- Stayin alive

It's not revealing too much here to tell you this: Flyers social media and website will publish the list tomorrow.

Farabee on the second line..done...brings energy..speed and effort..That 8.25M could go a long way in helping fix 2 spots and bring a different attitude to this team
- hfc355

So Farabee is going to get 122 points next season?

How exactly does a player thats already producing on the team replace Voracek's production?

If Farabee replaces Voracek, you now have to replace Farabee.......

Then what’s the limit ? I didn’t think it’s outrageous if you use the $ to get better. It beats having that contract drag us down for another 3 years.
-landros 2

I think a lot of people on this forum underestimate Jakes trade value. Sure his contract is a hindrance, but there are a few teams that are close to contending that can use his play making ability. I think a trade where the Flyers take some cap back (but less than they have committed to Jake now) could work out well for both sides. Jake will be gone this off-season.

Jake is exactly whats wrong with the Flyers...plays when he wants to..no interest in defense...averaged 17 goals over last 7 yrs and accumulates tons of secondary PP assists. Add his lackadasical demeanor and play on the ice. Flyers have to change the core and he is the best one to remove
- hfc355

You're right, that is why Jake will not be in the orange and black next season. Fletcher, through the media and "unnamed sources" has essentially confirmed that.

I think a lot of people on this forum underestimate Jakes trade value. Sure his contract is a hindrance, but there are a few teams that are close to contending that can use his play making ability. I think a trade where the Flyers take some cap back (but less than they have committed to Jake now) could work out well for both sides. Jake will be gone this off-season.
- jd250

In a regular season without a flat cap sure but no one is taking Voracek at a full cap hit and its not worth moving him to retain cap or take back an even worse contract

Suter isnt signing a bargain deal to play here.May give Tampa or Vegas or Isles a bargain, teams that are contenders , but not Philly . Flyers would have to overpay to get him he will have lots of options
- hfc355

Suter makes no sense for the Flyers. Suter is a player at this stage in his career that can help a team on the cusp get over the hump. The Flyers are not that team, I mean they are not even a playoff team and Suter by himself will not make the Flyers a playoff team. He's not coming here, and honestly I would be surprised if CF is even kicking the tires on him.

At some point I wish we could have a realistic discussion of what can and will be done this offseason.

This "EA NHL '21 GM mode with the restrictions off" game is getting tiresome.

Best case we can hope for is JVR getting chosen by Seattle. 2nd best case is Ghost getting selected.

If neither of those things happen, deals will get dicey at best. People better start getting used to the idea that if the trade makes no sense for both teams, its not going to happen.

MAYBE one of JVR, Ghost, or Voracek will be gone by season start, it would be a miracle if two aren't here. But all three?

Fantasy hockey boards open up in September.
- MBFlyerfan

Best guess on what actually happens:
JVR goes to Seattle
Ghost is dealt for a 4th line wing & a mid
round pick
A UFA Dman is signed
A UFA goaltender is signed

Projected opening night lineup
G-Coots-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-TK
Laughton-Frost-Jake
New acquisition-Patrick-Allison
Depth:Lacyzinski & NAK

Provorov-UFA acquisition
Sanheim-Myers
York-Braun
Depth: Hagg

Hart
UFA acquisition

The odds of Hamilton sigining with the Flyers aren't very high in the first place. And they probably go DOWN not up if they trade Voracek without any sort of replacement plan. Who are you going to sign to replace his points at a significantly cheaper cost? All that it does is tears open another hole in the roster and costs you a first-round pick. Cap space isn't the goal. It's a means to an end. Tell me your viable plan for using that cap space to solve as many of the team's needs as possible.
- bmeltzer

Bill, replace Jake with Jayden Schwartz .. done! Give me any player that gets me half the points but can actually play a 200 feet and is physical, and the Flyers improve.

In a regular season without a flat cap sure but no one is taking Voracek at a full cap hit and its not worth moving him to retain cap or take back an even worse contract
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Of course you would not move Jake for worse contract, that is not what I said! I said you trade Jake and take back SOME salary, then it works for both sides. The Flyers get out from under Jake and get back some cap space, and the other side gets Jake at a more reasonable price reflective of his current capabilities.

Exactly. And there shouldn’t be a team giving 30 free agents term and $ contracts like coots.
- Stayin alive

What are you talking about? Couts is 28 years old and the best player on the team. I just don't understand how people want this guy gone. Can the Flyers retain any good players in your opinion??

Bill is 100% right. Voracek is still a producer on this team and paying someone to take him is just stupid. I might throw them a third to take JVR but otherwise no thanks. These aren’t 8 year contracts.

I do agree with some people’s opinions about the core and it’s motivation issues and 200 ft game. But paying someone to create more holes is not the answer.

If Fletcher doesn’t make the right moves and JV or JVR isn’t selected then at the deadline we can look at moving JV for assets if we retain salary. However, I think there are some options out there to make this team better.

I wonder is Parise and Suter want to play together again.
- youarewrong

Part of the issue is that I don't WANT Voracek's empty points.

I'd rather be straight BAD but have our future/young players gaining equity then go by-the-numbers for year.......how long has he been here?

Best guess on what actually happens:
JVR goes to Seattle
Ghost is dealt for a 4th line wing & a mid
round pick
A UFA Dman is signed
A UFA goaltender is signed

Projected opening night lineup
G-Coots-Farabee
Lindblom-Hayes-TK
Laughton-Frost-Jake
New acquisition-Patrick-Allison
Depth:Lacyzinski & NAK

Provorov-UFA acquisition
Sanheim-Myers
York-Braun
Depth: Hagg

Hart
UFA acquisition
- BiggE

Looks realistic to me. The Ghost trade would depend on the AAV and term of the 4th liner to make it happen. But I get your idea.

I think York can earn his way in next season. He looked solid in last years small sample at the NHL and played a good college season.

Frost is talented. He will put it altogether soon. It’s funny how some guys are ready right away but don’t have the skill to be a top playmaker where some guys take years to put it together but when they do it is top six minutes for them.

Bill, replace Jake with Jayden Schwartz .. done! Give me any player that gets me half the points but can actually play a 200 feet and is physical, and the Flyers improve.
- jd250

I would love to see Schwartz on the Flyers, but:

1) How long would it take between the time the ink dries on the contract and the time the only-happy-when-miserable segment of the fanbase complains about the contract term, the cap hit, and the fact that he's already 29 years old?

2) He's a player who has missed significant time in several seasons due to injury. Willing to take the risk of him missing 10-to-20 games a season?

3) He's a good all-around player whose speed is a threat and competes for the puck but the physicality you cite is not a significant element of his game. His hitting frequency is similar to what Matt Read's used to be.

Part of the issue is that I don't WANT Voracek's empty points.

I'd rather be straight BAD but have our future/young players gaining equity then go by-the-numbers for year.......how long has he been here?
- DrMidnite

Empty points.... Over the span of Voracek's Flyers career, he is in the top 15% of the league in terms of points percentage tied to the first goal, tying goal, go-ahead and/or game-winning goal.

Again, I have no problem with the Flyers moving on from Voracek. But he's been a
legitimately good offensive player here. He isn't a perfect player. There are very few of those.

I think a lot of people on this forum underestimate Jakes trade value. Sure his contract is a hindrance, but there are a few teams that are close to contending that can use his play making ability. I think a trade where the Flyers take some cap back (but less than they have committed to Jake now) could work out well for both sides. Jake will be gone this off-season.
- jd250

In my opinion the odds of Voracek being traded this off season are not very good. Nothing is impossible but I don't see a trade happening.

😆 it is defiantly silly season in here. To you guys getting played by Bill, we are all hear reading Bill’s blog and articles for a reason. He has terrific knowledge of the Flyers history, he is good at analyzing the Flyers and good writing skills.

Seattle will wheel and deal like Vegas because they will have teams over a barrel.

But throwing away 1st round picks just to create more holes without knowing how to fill them is not reality. GM’s can’t make deals happen on their own.

Either way, things are going to get real fun to follow by mid week.

You're right, that is why Jake will not be in the orange and black next season. Fletcher, through the media and "unnamed sources" has essentially confirmed that.
- jd250

So Voracek is what is wrong with the Flyers so another team is going to think he's what they need? Think about what you're saying for a second.


I think you listen to different media then other people. Is there any credible source who also thinks that Fletcher has essentially confirmed that Voracek will be moved?