That's insanity.
- MJL

explain why

Larsson would work also but he's a 2nd pairing guy, Manson is my first choice and with anaheim having drysdale to eat up mins i think we can get him, and if your worried about Jake production hit anaheim up about Rackell.
- michaelputt

Manson is a 2nd pairing guy also.

explain why
- michaelputt

The Flyers aren't a team who is contending mode yet and is a team that should be focused on drafting and developing players. They have no business giving up first round picks just to move a player.

Manson is a 2nd pairing guy also.
- MJL

Manson once he came back from injury was there 1st pairing guy, he slots perfectly with provorov that's why i want him on the flyers. On the Flyers the first paring guy we need.

Manson once he came back from injury was there 1st pairing guy, he slots perfectly with provorov that's why i want him on the flyers. On the Flyers the first paring guy we need.
- michaelputt

Manson is a 2nd pairing defenseman. He's been degrading steadily for a couple of years now.

Manson is a 2nd pairing guy also.
- MJL

id take manson, he would improve our D

The Flyers aren't a team who is contending mode yet and is a team that should be focused on drafting and developing players. They have no business giving up first round picks just to move a player.
- MJL

It hard to develop players when the examples they have don't give effort for 200ft. I get where your going but were only a few players away from contending. We have some young players that might make the team this year and like you said we need to develop them but the right way with the right example to follow COOTS comes to mind.

Players giving half effort need to be benched and held accountable if the younger players see it's okay then what's to stop them from doing the same.

It hard to develop players when the examples they have don't give effort for 200ft. I get where your going but were only a few players away from contending. We have some young players that might make the team this year and like you said we need to develop them but the right way with the right example to follow COOTS comes to mind.

Players giving half effort need to be benched and held accountable if the younger players see it's okay then what's to stop them from doing the same.
- michaelputt

Nothing you post here justifies giving up a first round pick to get Seattle to take Voracek in the ED.

Could jersey take JVR for a Prospect? Assuming Kracken don’t take him?
- MrPerfect316

Flyers and Devils almost never deal with each other but I don’t think JVR is nearly as unmovable as others do.

I think they would have to take a contract back to move him. Can’t see him being moved straight up for picks/prospects.

Honestly, I am intrigued with making a trade with the Kraken for someone they snagged from another team. That might be a good way to get the PK forward or backup goalie.
I can’t imagine that top RD will be exposed. Might be some centers but the Kraken probably need those.
- NC Flyers Fan

A smart GM would be on the phone working this angle. There has to be a D man unprotected out there that can help us and that we can entice Seattle to take. Lets hope Chuck has this covered.

My offer was,

Jake + NAK + 2022 1st(lottery protected) for Krak to select them.
- michaelputt

Dear God I can't believe you are already drunk this early
No. Absolutely not. Jake isn't garbage he is just overpaid

Come on man

Jake is exactly whats wrong with the Flyers...plays when he wants to..no interest in defense...averaged 17 goals over last 7 yrs and accumulates tons of secondary PP assists. Add his lackadasical demeanor and play on the ice. Flyers have to change the core and he is the best one to remove
- hfc355

This I agree with. JV is not what this team needs. Had he remained JV from the 19/20 season who back checked and played D he would be a keeper but that year was an outlier

Dear God I can't believe you are already drunk this early
No. Absolutely not. Jake isn't garbage he is just overpaid

Come on man
- Bob Habib

For me it was about opening up 9.5mil in cap space, and jakes contract and play don't match up. Promote Farbee and send Jake packing and yes even if it means using a first, we have players to trade at the deadline for draft picks.

For me it was about opening up 9.5mil in cap space, and jakes contract and play don't match up. Promote Farbee and send Jake packing and yes even if it means using a first, we have players to trade at the deadline for draft picks.
- michaelputt

What if you just got them to take Jake and have Seattle trade you a player they select from another team that fits here? That way you don’t have to burn a 1st.

In the span that Voracek has played for the Flyers, he is 8th in the NHL in assists (Giroux is 2nd, one off the leaguewide lead) and 15th in points overall. He has been-- and remains-- a productive and valuable player. That doesn't mean the Flyers should not move him this offseason. But the extent to which many Flyers fans blame the team's best players for what has largely been a roster building issue and not a personal failure is a joke.
- bmeltzer

Jake's issue is an inconsistent at best 200ft game. He needs to provide more offense to compensate for this; when the offense is lacking, the lapses in the d-zone are magnified. One would think that a player with a cap hit as high as Jake's would be closer to a point-per-game player

Jake's issue is an inconsistent at best 200ft game. He needs to provide more offense to compensate for this; when the offense is lacking, the lapses in the d-zone are magnified. One would think that a player with a cap hit as high as Jake's would be closer to a point-per-game player
- corduroy

Yeah, there is certainly a valid reason why they’re willing to move on from him.

The real albatross is the Kevin Hayes contract. Coming off of core muscle surgery, at his age, future does not look particularly bright.

Yeah, there is certainly a valid reason why they’re willing to move on from him.
- hereticpride

I get that -- but giving up assets and not having a plan to replace the 14-20 goals and 40 assists makes absolutely no sense - that being said, it is something fletcher would do

How about we start with reality, THE FLYERS ARE NOT GOING TO REBUILD. With that in mind the moves made need to make the club better. If you dump jake or JVR you better know who you are signing to replace them. They both are productive players. In my opinion they both will have good seasons, especially Jake, he will have chip on his shoulder, plus we know he has never been the fitness but, with covid I am sure he was challenged in that area. I assume he will come in to camp in great shape. I don’t add a thing to move him, I would bank on him being productive this Season and trade him next season with only 2 years left on his deal, coming off a good season. That gives CF this season to retool as much as possible and next season to hopefully add the final pieces to have shot at the cup. I like JVR but hope he is taken. I would add a low pick if needed, his real dollars are good. Then add who the right players to help the mix. I would move ghost if it fit my plan on D. If not I would not force it.

I am not moving Frost, Alison or York. I am open to Myers and Patrick in a good hockey trade. I am pretty open to moving most in a good hockey trade that helps the skill and chemistry.

I would not move Myers and frost for Tarasenko, that is youth for old, no bueno.

Done right, in two seasons the flyers should be really good. Done right, with a bounce back they can be competitive this season.

I get that -- but giving up assets and not having a plan to replace the 14-20 goals and 40 assists makes absolutely no sense - that being said, it is something fletcher would do
- corduroy

you think whoever steps in to Jakes spot is going to get 0 points? Or maybe better defensively too?

Hopefully the CF wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and the evil Chuck evolves and he makes some shrewd smart moves actually set up the flyers for good upcoming season and beyond.
If the flyers do move their first they better get a high quality player out of it who is young.
Sure another piece will have to be added but hopefully it’s not an overpayment.
- bird_dog_pa

flies are in an period od weakness...not mujch other teams want outside if provotov, couterier and hart, farabee, laughton

My offer was,

Jake + NAK + 2022 1st(lottery protected) for Krak to select them.
- michaelputt

Why bother giving up assets especially 1st round pick. You aren’t a cup contender even with Jake cap gone. Even if you bring in a star player with that cap saving there’s still too many holes. Makes zero sense to ass assets to lose Jake

Thats 100% correct...just for example lets say they us the $$ to sign Hamilton...then its Jake..Nak and a 1st for Hamilton. Who wouldnt do that trade...??? Disagree in a big way with Bill on this one
- hfc355

First off there’s no guarantee you get Hamilton.

And Skinner was a 40 goal scorer at one time....Bill over last 2 yrs based on an 82 game schedule he averaged 14 goals...prior to that 4 yrs of just 20 and a year of 11. He brings absolutely no defense to the game and a lack luster attitude. At 8.25M he is a major liability. at 4.5M he is a good 3rd line player. 3 more years of what likely will be even lesser play from him as he ages. Getting rid of him at the cost of a 1st well worth it IMO.
- hfc355

I’d rather retain 50% on cap and keep the picks and assets needed to move him at full contract. That’s if a team even willing to take the contract with the sweeteners. Like it or not this team is still building. If building you need the draft picks…

A smart GM would be exploring all options on the following players,

Vorachek
Ghost
Giroux
Coots
Hayes

Coots I wouldn't move unless it was for a haul, top 5 pick + prospects + players.
Giroux if we are out of the playoffs again i ask if he wants to move to playoff team.
The rest i make the best deal possible even if it involves eating salary.
- michaelputt

Coots is the only one of those with trade value. Or any good value. IMO your haul is a little high. I definitely want to trade him for most return as possible. I’d actually start bidding war right after Ed. That’s the highest value time between Ed and opening of fa period