what if meyers tops out as a 4D? Do we lose the trade then?
- bradster

Hard to say, it depends what Ellis gives

Is Provys cap hit high?
Meyers is definately one of the 2 worst regulars last year. Maybe you need a refresher of watching him stand beside the net and watch someone go by him and score
- bradster

Yes. He's also 24 years old and hitting his prime. Anytime you want to break down game tape and see who really knows what is going on, let me know. Maybe you need some education.

Aww are you getting mad that nobody reads the posts that take you 30 minutes to type out each time, around 10-20 times per day?? Reality sucks. And so does your chart that says Ellis is John Michael Liles
- Richieattack18

I am not mad, unless you mean literally.

I marvel instead that guys like you actually exist✋

Patrick is so bad that the only reason he was in the lineup whatsoever last season is so that they can say he is healthy and some gullible team will take him as a risk in a trade. He is done for. If he wasnt drafted 2nd overall he would have been benched/scratched quite often last season. His niche in juniors was using his size and strength against the youngsters, it's obvious that he is not going to be using his size and strength anymore, especially not at the NHL level.

Also, Ellis isn't 30 something. He is just 30. That isn't old. That is just delusional to think being 30 is too old.
- Richieattack18

Really? This is your argument? 30 is 30 something and with Patrick gone, regardless of how bad he was last season, that’s still a hole. A team that built a contender and I mean literally built a contender out of spare parts still sees Patrick as good enough to play.

Looking at this trade is a matter of perspective. If as a fan, you want the team to get better now, then this trade accomplished that. No doubt. The Flyers got the best player in the trade. They got a RH legit top 4 puck moving defenseman who is solid defensively. They got Provorov a partner.
The question is how much better did they get? In the long term, what would've been better for the Flyers? If I felt this team was on the edge of truly contending and needed one more experienced quality defenseman to put them in the mix, I'd be all over this deal. However I don't feel they're there. I think having Myers with the potential for what he could become was the better player for them moving forward. Now if you don't believe in Myers and don't think that he was going to become a player, then you would think the opposite and favor this trade. Time will tell. I also agree with those who are saying a move like this was inevitable. That is correct.
- MJL

what do you as meyers ceiling, because i like meyers, but i think ellis is ahead of what meyers potential is. So to me, this is a no brainer

Montreal isn't protecting Price.
- PLindbergh31

Price the Kraken!

To the mod who admonished me a month ago to "stop calling other posters morons", please note my masterful self-restraint.
- PT21

The only thing masterful is your delusional self importance and self inflated ego.

Yes. He's also 24 years old and hitting his prime. Anytime you want to break down game tape and see who really knows what is going on, let me know. Maybe you need some education.
- MJL

definately not from you, you dont even know how to construct a team. Wanting to keep marginal players for potential turning into a star over having a proven great player

what do you as meyers ceiling, because i like meyers, but i think ellis is ahead of what meyers potential is. So to me, this is a no brainer
- bradster

Myers has the potential to become as good of a player as Ellis is. Possibly even better. He has strong physical tools.

The fans and their blogger are upset, saying hexy could have protected McCann.
- wcorvette

I read it! They are flipping their poo in that chat. It gave me great joy to see it all

I just find it funny, if chuck didnt get a D, people would freak. Instead he traded our 2 worst players, for a #1 D and people freak. Thats why i asked would people feel better if they traded #13 pick instead?

Sure Meyers has potential, but i dont think that potential still is what ellis currently is, ellis has a good cap hit. Gets injured a little but if he didnt it wouldve cost us more.There is risk Ellis gets hurt, and risk meyers turns our to be what he was last year. I think its a good trade, its what we needed. Good job chuck. If anyone thinks we were getting ellis or seth jones for Jake, you are dreaming. Gotta give to get, and we didnt give much
- bradster

My thoughts exactly. Remember when giving up Sbisa was a heartbreaking loss? Bruno st Jacques? To me, Patrick's ceiling is 2nd line center, and I give him a 25 percent chance of getting there. Myers ceiling is #4 d-man, and possibly a really good one at that.
Can't believe this got done without prospects or picks!

Now I'd like to see us get a #4 d-man who can clear the net to team with Sanheim, preferably one with a successful cup run on the resume.

After all, Dumba is staying put. Jones doesn't want to be here. Suter wants to go to a contender.

I'm content.

definately not from you, you dont even know how to construct a team. Wanting to keep marginal players for potential turning into a star over having a proven great player
- bradster

You say this as you expose yourself in labeling Ellis as a great player.

Really? This is your argument? 30 is 30 something and with Patrick gone, regardless of how bad he was last season, that’s still a hole. A team that built a contender and I mean literally built a contender out of spare parts still sees Patrick as good enough to play.
- SuperSchennBros

Man I had and have hope for both of them but something was going give and this was about as cheap as it gets for a true D like Ellis. Sure he could be hurt but I rather have this than a big FA contract or trade Frost or York etc.

Price the Kraken!
- corduroy

I feel like Seattle has to take him. Instant credibility, and makes the competitive from jump street.

I disagree on 3 things. I wouldn't label Myers as one of the 2 worst players. Ellis doesn't get injured a little. He gets injured a lot. Ellis cap hit is high.
- MJL

What kind of cap hit did you think a top pairing RHD would be?

I am not mad, unless you mean literally.

I marvel instead that guys like you actually exist✋
- PT21

What’s both of your political views?

What’s your take on the whole crypto thing?

🌝

I read it! They are flipping their poo in that chat. It gave me great joy to see it all
- Bob Habib

It really does

Really? This is your argument? 30 is 30 something and with Patrick gone, regardless of how bad he was last season, that’s still a hole. A team that built a contender and I mean literally built a contender out of spare parts still sees Patrick as good enough to play.
- SuperSchennBros

30 is not 30 something

Myers has the potential to become as good of a player as Ellis is. Possibly even better. He has strong physical tools.
- MJL

I love that word. Potential. You are banking on something coming to fruition vs having that exact thing that you want right in front of you.

Man I had and have hope for both of them but something was going give and this was about as cheap as it gets for a true D like Ellis. Sure he could be hurt but I rather have this than a big FA contract or trade Frost or York etc.
- wcorvette

Yeah but the comments don’t make sense. “With Patrick out of the way, now Frost can play”. Frost wasn’t being held back by anything. In fact, if Frost could stay healthy, I’m sure the coaching staff would have happily sat Patrick. Even when Frost was healthy, he wasn’t doing much.

What’s both of your political views?

What’s your take on the whole crypto thing?

🌝
- Jup16

The wrong takes you can be rest assured of that.

The only thing masterful is your delusional self importance and self inflated ego.
- bird_dog_pa

At first I thought you had actually attained some command over language

But then the bubble burst. Because egos, by definition, are always "self-inflated". That prefix is redundant.

😆

What’s both of your political views?

What’s your take on the whole crypto thing?

🌝
- Jup16

😁😁

Who are you.

I feel like Seattle has to take him. Instant credibility, and makes the competitive from jump street.
- PLindbergh31

B.C. Boy.

Yeah but the comments don’t make sense. “With Patrick out of the way, now Frost can play”. Frost wasn’t being held back by anything. In fact, if Frost could stay healthy, I’m sure the coaching staff would have happily sat Patrick. Even when Frost was healthy, he wasn’t doing much.
- SuperSchennBros

Frost is an unknown quantity. Anyone who says different is spitballing. He has a very small sample of NHL games. He's also had trouble staying healthy. Counting on him is foolish.