Jake is exactly whats wrong with the Flyers...plays when he wants to..no interest in defense...averaged 17 goals over last 7 yrs and accumulates tons of secondary PP assists. Add his lackadasical demeanor and play on the ice. Flyers have to change the core and he is the best one to remove
- hfc355

yup, getting better just by subtracting, and the who will replace his points is totally blown out of proportion

If Ghost goes in the ED or trade, use the Cap savings toward signing Larson. Then sign Suter hopefully on a bargain deal. That leaves 3D on each side. Provorov Sanheim Suter, Larsson Braun Myers. I think they could workout an effective D with that 6 with York in waiting.
- Djapana

i get the feeling larsson is waiting for the ED then will resign with the oilers

The odds of Hamilton sigining with the Flyers aren't very high in the first place. And they probably go DOWN not up if they trade Voracek without any sort of replacement plan. Who are you going to sign to replace his points at a significantly cheaper cost? All that it does is tears open another hole in the roster and costs you a first-round pick. Cap space isn't the goal. It's a means to an end. Tell me your viable plan for using that cap space to solve as many of the team's needs as possible.
- bmeltzer

Could you please stop channeling The Talking Heads concert movie "Stop Making Sense" when you reply Bill

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The odds of Hamilton sigining with the Flyers aren't very high in the first place. And they probably go DOWN not up if they trade Voracek without any sort of replacement plan. Who are you going to sign to replace his points at a significantly cheaper cost? All that it does is tears open another hole in the roster and costs you a first-round pick. Cap space isn't the goal. It's a means to an end. Tell me your viable plan for using that cap space to solve as many of the team's needs as possible.
- bmeltzer

All Jake gives us is PP assists and secondary assists. 17 Goals hopefully a guy like Frost can pick up 15 of them. Jake plays zero defense and is a perfect example of the Flyers lazy play. Getting him out of the locker and giving us 8.25M in cap space is well worth the 1st pick. Just used Hamilton as an example. they could use that 8M to bring in a couple of guys not just 1

Once expansion draft is over, hopefully is when CF makes moves to shore up our defense ala (Manson, Risto, Montour, or Jones).

All Jake gives us is PP assists and secondary assists. 17 Goals hopefully a guy like Frost can pick up 15 of them. Jake plays zero defense and is a perfect example of the Flyers lazy play. Getting him out of the locker and giving us 8.25M in cap space is well worth the 1st pick. Just used Hamilton as an example. they could use that 8M to bring in a couple of guys not just 1
- hfc355

Voracek had a good two-way season in 2019-20. Not so good in 2020-21, but had a lot of company.

He generates plenty of primary assists. And many of his secondaries were THE key play of the sequence. He's also a six-time 20-goal scorer.

I like Frost a lot, but I'm not "hoping" again that someone steps up. I have no problem with the Flyers moving Voracek out but they'd better get someone they KNOW -- not hope -- can play a top-line or second-line wing role productively.

Once expansion draft is over, hopefully is when CF makes moves to shore up our defense ala (Manson, Risto, Montour, or Jones).
- michaelputt

Larsson would work also but he's a 2nd pairing guy, Manson is my first choice and with anaheim having drysdale to eat up mins i think we can get him, and if your worried about Jake production hit anaheim up about Rackell.

Voracek had a good two-way season in 2019-20. Not so good in 2020-21, but had a lot of company.

He generates plenty of primary assists. And many of his secondaries were THE key play of the sequence. He's also a six-time 20-goal scorer.

I like Frost a lot, but I'm not "hoping" again that someone steps up. I have no problem with the Flyers moving Voracek out but they'd better get someone they KNOW -- not hope -- can play a top-line or second-line wing role productively.
- bmeltzer

My question is this,

Wouldn't farabee produce more with Jakes ice time? IF so then why not move Jake?

Fletcher will do what Fletcher always does. Find the most expensive vet the Flyers can afford and over pay him by 2 years and 2 mill/yr (see Kevin Hayes) and everyone will say give it 2 years before complaining. Then later no one wants to hear it because people like their bubble.

Rinse/Repeat.

The "price of doing business" is one of the reasons the Flyers are where they are. Sometimes it's ok not to get the player you want. Flyers rarely shop for value and just maybe, having some cap space and flexibility when crap goes sideways isn't a bad thing.

We can't all be like the Lightning and stash a top line player on IR until the playoffs negating his cap hit to add more players.

Honestly, I am intrigued with making a trade with the Kraken for someone they snagged from another team. That might be a good way to get the PK forward or backup goalie.
I can’t imagine that top RD will be exposed. Might be some centers but the Kraken probably need those.

Voracek had a good two-way season in 2019-20. Not so good in 2020-21, but had a lot of company.

He generates plenty of primary assists. And many of his secondaries were THE key play of the sequence. He's also a six-time 20-goal scorer.

I like Frost a lot, but I'm not "hoping" again that someone steps up. I have no problem with the Flyers moving Voracek out but they'd better get someone they KNOW -- not hope -- can play a top-line or second-line wing role productively.
- bmeltzer

Farabee on the second line..done...brings energy..speed and effort..That 8.25M could go a long way in helping fix 2 spots and bring a different attitude to this team

A good trade off… clear up cap space with the likes of Ghost, Jake and JVR…. BUT such moves must be part of an overall plan. Hopefully the plan is to build a team around tough nosed hockey players, create an identity, be hard to play against, and build from a perspective that Defense and Goaltending win championships. Hart is a very good young goalie. Could be a star with the right team around him. Don’t have names of players but just hoping there’s a plan. I don’t envy Chuck these next few weeks

I did a buyout on Jakes contract in capfriendly, year 2 is brutal because of a dumbass 5million siging bonus in the 2nd to last year of his contract(presumed this is to make the contract buyout proof)but after that its 2.5m then 1.8m for a few.

I would seriously consider a buyout and save the assets, then make a side deal with the krakken to take ghost and now you have almost 10 mil to work with.

Voracek had a good two-way season in 2019-20. Not so good in 2020-21, but had a lot of company.

He generates plenty of primary assists. And many of his secondaries were THE key play of the sequence. He's also a six-time 20-goal scorer.

I like Frost a lot, but I'm not "hoping" again that someone steps up. I have no problem with the Flyers moving Voracek out but they'd better get someone they KNOW -- not hope -- can play a top-line or second-line wing role productively.
- bmeltzer

14 goal scorer the last 2 yrs , giving him credit for 82 games, and not getting younger.

I did a buyout on Jakes contract in capfriendly, year 2 is brutal because of a dumbass 5million siging bonus in the 2nd to last year of his contract(presumed this is to make the contract buyout proof)but after that its 2.5m then 1.8m for a few.

I would seriously consider a buyout and save the assets, then make a side deal with the krakken to take ghost and now you have almost 10 mil to work with.
- michaelputt

Did same thing 2nd yr is a Killer but buyout JVR is not bad

Voracek had 0 pp goals last season.

I'll type that again.

Voracek had 0 pp goals last season.

His primary assists were so valuable, that the Flyers missed the playoffs AGAIN!

8 of the last 9 years they have missed the playoffs or lost in the 1st round. ALL WITH VORACEK!

Voracek barely touches the 20 goal mark. In fact, Konecny has 3 24 goal seasons already in his young career. Voracek has 0!!!!!! He got 23. Once. Only once. Barely touching 20 goals is not impressive for a $8.25 cap hit. Also, Voracek was not on pace to hit 20 this season.

The defense of Voracek is absurd. His cap hit could go toward a Defenseman. The greatest need is defense.

Hart and Provorov are more important to this team than Voracek. Bringing in a quality veteran on defense is more important than Voracek's 0 power play goals last season.

Did same thing 2nd yr is a Killer but buyout JVR is not bad
- hfc355

i got no prob keeping jvr if we can unload jake. JVR has a role, and does his role well. And only 2 yrs remaining

Could jersey take JVR for a Prospect? Assuming Kracken don’t take him?

Voracek had 0 pp goals last season.

I'll type that again.

Voracek had 0 pp goals last season.

His primary assists were so valuable, that the Flyers missed the playoffs AGAIN!

8 of the last 9 years they have missed the playoffs or lost in the 1st round. ALL WITH VORACEK!

Voracek barely touches the 20 goal mark. In fact, Konecny has 3 24 goal seasons already in his young career. Voracek has 0!!!!!! He got 23. Once. Only once. Barely touching 20 goals is not impressive for a $8.25 cap hit. Also, Voracek was not on pace to hit 20 this season.

The defense of Voracek is absurd. His cap hit could go toward a Defenseman. The greatest need is defense.

Hart and Provorov are more important to this team than Voracek. Bringing in a quality veteran on defense is more important than Voracek's 0 power play goals last season.
- Captain_Ahab

In the span that Voracek has played for the Flyers, he is 8th in the NHL in assists (Giroux is 2nd, one off the leaguewide lead) and 15th in points overall. He has been-- and remains-- a productive and valuable player. That doesn't mean the Flyers should not move him this offseason. But the extent to which many Flyers fans blame the team's best players for what has largely been a roster building issue and not a personal failure is a joke.

In the span that Voracek has played for the Flyers, he is 8th in the NHL in assists (Giroux is 2nd, one off the leaguewide lead) and 15th in points overall. He has been-- and remains-- a productive and valuable player. That doesn't mean the Flyers should not move him this offseason. But the extent to which many Flyers fans blame the team's best players for what has largely been a roster building issue and not a personal failure is a joke.
- bmeltzer

Agree with your take on the roster building side of it, however too many times i watched odd man rushes while Jake is still in the offensive zone. Probably the thing that gets me the most is when were on a rush and he tries to pass thru 3 players and they counter rush and score(this happens more than it should). His 200ft game is sad just sad, and it is time to make a deal.

0 power play goals has nothing to do with roster building.
His inconsistent play/2 way play has nothing to do with roster building.

This also shows that defense and goaltending is more important than what Voracek brings to the table. His $8.25 cap hit makes improving this area difficult.

In the span that Voracek has played for the Flyers, he is 8th in the NHL in assists (Giroux is 2nd, one off the leaguewide lead) and 15th in points overall. He has been-- and remains-- a productive and valuable player. That doesn't mean the Flyers should not move him this offseason. But the extent to which many Flyers fans blame the team's best players for what has largely been a roster building issue and not a personal failure is a joke.
- bmeltzer

And Skinner was a 40 goal scorer at one time....Bill over last 2 yrs based on an 82 game schedule he averaged 14 goals...prior to that 4 yrs of just 20 and a year of 11. He brings absolutely no defense to the game and a lack luster attitude. At 8.25M he is a major liability. at 4.5M he is a good 3rd line player. 3 more years of what likely will be even lesser play from him as he ages. Getting rid of him at the cost of a 1st well worth it IMO.

Really hope Fletcher has something up his sleeve and ready to go with. Cant be relying on Kraken giving Flyers CAP relief by taking JVR or JK without some sweeteners. Could see a possible JVR buyout if not chosen which I dont expect he will be. I would be fine giving them a 2nd to take JVR we have to get some CAP help
- hfc355

Giving up sweeteners and getting into buyouts is the last thing the Flyers should be doing.

My offer was,

Jake + NAK + 2022 1st(lottery protected) for Krak to select them.
- michaelputt

That's insanity.

A smart GM would be exploring all options on the following players,

Vorachek
Ghost
Giroux
Coots
Hayes

Coots I wouldn't move unless it was for a haul, top 5 pick + prospects + players.
Giroux if we are out of the playoffs again i ask if he wants to move to playoff team.
The rest i make the best deal possible even if it involves eating salary.