Surprising amount of moves. Really sucks the Flyers got Ellis, really good player.

They got Hallander back who is only 21 and was drafted 58th overall in 2018. So that's like getting a second if you drafted him this year.
- stevens87

I think he's a 4th liner, so I'm not excited. But that's just my feelings on him.

Surprising amount of moves. Really sucks the Flyers got Ellis, really good player.
- kfinl170

Agree, that one hurts. They had a big hole last year after Niakanen retired and Ellis is a nice upgrade from him.

Tarasenko exposed in expansion draft
That to me is a bold strategy Cotton…

Old uncle Lou just keeps going. Amber reporting he dumped Ladd’s contract on the yotes for picks

Tarasenko exposed in expansion draft
That to me is a bold strategy Cotton…
- pens4life-66

They seem pretty desperate to rid themselves of him. The fact no one traded for him must mean his medical are crap. Which also means he’s unlikely to be selected, and if he is the Blues will probably just be happy with the cap space.

Old uncle Lou just keeps going. Amber reporting he dumped Ladd’s contract on the yotes for picks
- pens4life-66

They traded picks with Ladd, they didn’t get picks for him.

They traded picks with Ladd, they didn’t get picks for him.
- kfinl170

That’s what I meant. Kinda said it wrong

They seem pretty desperate to rid themselves of him. The fact no one traded for him must mean his medical are crap. Which also means he’s unlikely to be selected, and if he is the Blues will probably just be happy with the cap space.
- kfinl170

I’m thinking that 7.5 would be used on Landeskog to bring him and Oreilly together

So you think it was a good idea to dump a guy making 3M that you think was worth 5M? Guess we should trade Rust too since he's likely to expensive to keep.
- Tojo.

If it gives you the space you need to sign a guy you really want then yes

I didn't say he was worth 5, I said he would get 5

He has to be qualified at 3.38, 40-50 points will get him 5 million in arbitration

I don't like what he brings at that cost

Rust is a 1st liner and at worst a 2nd liner

McCann is at best a 2nd liner and more suited to be a 3rd liner

One is easier to replace than the other in a similar 1 season cost

Old uncle Lou just keeps going. Amber reporting he dumped Ladd’s contract on the yotes for picks
- pens4life-66

Did they pick up another Defender though? They didn't have enough guys to expose last I heard.

The phrase a bird in hand is worth 2 in a bush comes to mind. Unlikely Pittsburgh gets 2 guys like that with that cap space. Free agency rarely works that way.
- Tojo.

I'm with you, but hopefully Saad wants to come back home. Only thing we can hang onto for the moment haha.

If it gives you the space you need to sign a guy you really want then yes

I didn't say he was worth 5, I said he would get 5

He has to be qualified at 3.38, 40-50 points will get him 5 million in arbitration

I don't like what he brings at that cost

Rust is a 1st liner and at worst a 2nd liner

McCann is at best a 2nd liner and more suited to be a 3rd liner

One is easier to replace than the other in a similar 1 season cost
- TheGame316

Of which we strongly disagree.

The Rust comparison is purely about trading a guy before his raise. There is no reason to trade a guy because you are worried he might get a raise as an RFA. I know you have other reasons, but that particular point is inconsequential.

Interesting move., definitely surprised... will wait to see what the master plan is before passing judgment.

I dont think Hallander is going to turn out, maybe a late bloomer? All about what they can make happen with the roster spot and cap space.

Tons of good free agent options so it's McCann for Hallander, a 7th AND whoever we add in FA. I think we should expect Zohorna to get a full time role this year. Also the nail in the coffin for Hyman with Toronto I expect.

Of which we strongly disagree.

The Rust comparison is purely about trading a guy before his raise. There is no reason to trade a guy because you are worried he might get a raise as an RFA. I know you have other reasons, but that particular point is inconsequential.
- Tojo.

You'd like McCann at 5 million or more?

Pens still need to play in 2021. That's why you keep Rust at the risk of letting him walk

McCann is a 3rd liner that is both replaceable and at risk of being overpaid in arbitration and one that you were likely to a) lose anyways in expansion, or b)you'd lose a different, perhaps more valuable player in expansion because you protected McCann

In fact, since McCann is off the books, you can allocate those $$ at a new player (Saad, Landeskog, or whoever) for this season and sign to a multi-year deal and factor in losing Rust, having the new player take Rust's money going forward in 2022

I'm with you, but hopefully Saad wants to come back home. Only thing we can hang onto for the moment haha.
- 668710

Moving Zucker to get someone like Saad I get. Moving McCann and hoping to get 2 forwards in free agency when McCann is likely the cheapest anyways I do not agree with.

I'm going to guess they fill McCann's spot internally with a prospect. They are paper thin at C now with Malkin out so also need to address that.

You'd like McCann at 5 million or more?

Pens still need to play in 2021. That's why you keep Rust at the risk of letting him walk

McCann is a 3rd liner that is both replaceable and at risk of being overpaid in arbitration and one that you were likely to a) lose anyways in expansion, or b)you'd lose a different, perhaps more valuable player in expansion because you protected McCann

In fact, since McCann is off the books, you can allocate those $$ at a new player (Saad, Landeskog, or whoever) for this season and sign to a multi-year deal and factor in losing Rust, having the new player take Rust's money going forward in 2022
- TheGame316

No, you misunderstood the whole post.

No, you misunderstood the whole post.
- Tojo.

If the Pens don't have long term plans for McCann on the roster all I'm saying is they got off of him a year early to free up $$ to sign a guy this offseason that THEY DO like long term on the roster

McCann is a 3rd liner, Poulin and Legare, assuming they play this year, will likely start on the 3rd line, which is where you need to open up a spot

Same goes for if they go out and get some guy with "long pants". Those guys who are top 6 are expensive, and hard to find, they will go with a lesser/cheaper option so again, that's another guy for the 3rd line

If you want/need the capspace and you have an excess 3rd liner in McCann, that's why you just move him now and be done with it

Moving Zucker to get someone like Saad I get. Moving McCann and hoping to get 2 forwards in free agency when McCann is likely the cheapest anyways I do not agree with.

I'm going to guess they fill McCann's spot internally with a prospect. They are paper thin at C now with Malkin out so also need to address that.
- Tojo.

Lots of options...
McCann out, Zohorna and Gaudreau in?
I could totally see the Pens being in on Danault, sliding Carter to the wing when Malkin is back.

If Zucker is taken, they would likely have enough space for Danault/Saad/Hyman and Hakanpaa/Ceci to fill out the roster.

Moving Zucker to get someone like Saad I get. Moving McCann and hoping to get 2 forwards in free agency when McCann is likely the cheapest anyways I do not agree with.

I'm going to guess they fill McCann's spot internally with a prospect. They are paper thin at C now with Malkin out so also need to address that.
- Tojo.

Might sound stupid, but just a thought. I seen Cbj might expose Domi. Would it be a good trade for him for Zucker or Pettersson? He can play center or wing. Just a thought.

Might sound stupid, but just a thought. I seen Cbj might expose Domi. Would it be a good trade for him for Zucker or Pettersson? He can play center or wing. Just a thought.
- nateca444

It’s too late. The rosters are frozen.

Lots of options...
McCann out, Zohorna and Gaudreau in?
I could totally see the Pens being in on Danault, sliding Carter to the wing when Malkin is back.

If Zucker is taken, they would likely have enough space for Danault/Saad/Hyman and Hakanpaa/Ceci to fill out the roster.
- MacPatty

I’ve heard the Danault connection as well.

I wonder if Tarasenko being exposed affects them possibly selecting Zucker.

It’s too late. The rosters are frozen.
- kfinl170

Still could be an option if he doesn't get picked up, or maybe Kracken would be interested in a trade?

If the Pens don't have long term plans for McCann on the roster all I'm saying is they got off of him a year early to free up $$ to sign a guy this offseason that THEY DO like long term on the roster

McCann is a 3rd liner, Poulin and Legare, assuming they play this year, will likely start on the 3rd line, which is where you need to open up a spot

Same goes for if they go out and get some guy with "long pants". Those guys who are top 6 are expensive, and hard to find, they will go with a lesser/cheaper option so again, that's another guy for the 3rd line

If you want/need the capspace and you have an excess 3rd liner in McCann, that's why you just move him now and be done with it
- TheGame316

I think he had more value to the team now then you did. But not even trying to argue that.

The flaw in your argument was that they need to move him before he can get 5M next year. If he's worth 5M next year, that means he had a great year this year. In which case you can chose to sign him long-term, or trade him for more than Hallander and a 7th.