Frost being capable of playing center in the middle six this year would be huge for this lineup.
JVR gone in ED.
Bee - Couts - TK
G - Frost/UFA - Allison
Laughton - Hayes - Jake
Lindblom - NoPa - NAK

TK on top line because he needs to get going, and everyone benefits from playing with Couts. For the sake of past chemistry, I'd like to see G & Frost together, same with Laughton & Hayes. Granted that chemistry could now be considered old, and possibly expired, but still.
- Big_E_88

Lmao. 20 mil on 3rd line. 25% of cap.

Former #2 overall pick centering 4th line.

Can’t make this up

NoPa is a tough case. Based on his health issues and predominantly lousy play when he was healthy, he's probably not going to fetch any more than a 2nd or 3rd round pick. The question is: should they move him for next to nothing, or should they wait and see if he can begin to put his game together at the NHL level and approach his capabilities?

I tend to be in the wait and see category, though I certainly understand the alternative if the Flyers believe they can get a 3C through the farm or in the open market via FA or through a trade.


- Letterkenney

If someone is dumb enough to offer a 2nd or 3rd round pick for nopa bust you jump on it

keep him 1 more year, and hope he gets better
- bradster

poop in one hand and hope in another. See what one fills up first

Those heart palpitations would stop the second you walked into a bank to cash your check.
- Stayin alive

Imagine being a professional athlete and not having direct deposit.

that double by jankowski

Lmao. 20 mil on 3rd line. 25% of cap.

Former #2 overall pick centering 4th line.

Can’t make this up
- Stayin alive

Not sure if you're laughing at my suggested lines, or the state of this team's current forward group... If it's the latter, well then I'm pretty much right there with ya.

As far as my suggestion, I don't believe in slotting guys simply based on salary or draft position.

Not sure if you're laughing at my suggested lines, or the state of this team's current forward group... If it's the latter, well then I'm pretty much right there with ya.

As far as my suggestion, I don't believe in slotting guys simply based on salary or draft position.
- Big_E_88

No knock on you at all. Just the state of the team

Imagine being a professional athlete and not having direct deposit.
- Flyers1218

Yeah I know. Sure you got the point tho

I often wonder if philly fans realize when thinking of ways to improve current team without thinking of the future if they realize it’s a complete waste of time unless they get some elite talent. Talent that could some day be in talk of if hall of fame worthy. Hear me out

Trading for (especially using young assets) for stop gap type players( like vet 3c type players or 2nd pair dmen(like Larson/risto etc) is not gonna help the team EVER become serious sustain contenders. The whole point of a rebuild is to obtain elite talent. If you don’t have it during rebuild you have to use the assets to obtain it. Think of the flyers teams that truly were sustained contenders. Clarke (mid 70’s to early 80’s) hall of famer. Teams in 80’s (Howe) hall of famer mid 90’s early 2000’s (lindros/leclair) hall of famer pronger comes Stanley cup final (who knows without injury) lull ever since. Even g in his prime was he ever really more than a really good player( anyone think g is in hall of fame discussion?)

Looks like an NHL player to me.
- MJL

Won't just be a one-way player either... all those passes batted down from mid-air all the pick pocketing from behind. If he can overcome the shoulder injury, he should become a very effective two-way force.

This will be his 3rd pro season. He lost most of the last 2 to injury. He is 22, So its not like he has been in the system for ages and is 25 years old.

I think sometimes we need to slow our rolls on expectations for young kids. The majority aren't playing in the NHL regularly 3, 4 or even 5 years after their draft year unless they are blue chip high end prospects.

Frost needs to get a full season of hockey in, then let us see what kind of player he will be for the long haul.
- MBFlyerfan

Refer to V Taresenko how shoulder surgery and hockey works out….
Don’t think the kid plays a full season ever.

Refer to V Taresenko how shoulder surgery and hockey works out….
Don’t think the kid plays a full season ever.
- konalover711

Maybe, but one is going on 30 with years of NHL wear and tear while the other is 22.

So I will put my faith in the healing powers of youth.....for now.

I often wonder if philly fans realize when thinking of ways to improve current team without thinking of the future if they realize it’s a complete waste of time unless they get some elite talent. Talent that could some day be in talk of if hall of fame worthy. Hear me out

Trading for (especially using young assets) for stop gap type players( like vet 3c type players or 2nd pair dmen(like Larson/risto etc) is not gonna help the team EVER become serious sustain contenders. The whole point of a rebuild is to obtain elite talent. If you don’t have it during rebuild you have to use the assets to obtain it. Think of the flyers teams that truly were sustained contenders. Clarke (mid 70’s to early 80’s) hall of famer. Teams in 80’s (Howe) hall of famer mid 90’s early 2000’s (lindros/leclair) hall of famer pronger comes Stanley cup final (who knows without injury) lull ever since. Even g in his prime was he ever really more than a really good player( anyone think g is in hall of fame discussion?)
- Stayin alive

The rest of the league knows when it’s time to rebuild and players are scouted more than ever now (covid aside). The chances of landing a major franchise player picking mid round year after year is getting slimmer and slimmer.

Team really should be looking at moving vets and coming back with an ax to grind in the next 2 years but unfortunately we know the Comcast Flyers like to ignore common sense.

So first off if correct, they are exposing Jarry. And yeah, I think McCann, Aston-Reece, Matheson and Petterson would all be exposed.

IDK, it’s interesting though.

Edit: yes, Marino is exempt.
- NC Flyers Fan

There’s no way they don’t lose a decent player, but there’s also no way they lose something franchise altering.

McCann will likely be selected, and that does sting a decent bit.

Frost really needs to step up, if he can’t fill a top 9 role next year I don’t think it’s going to happen for the kid.
- ClaudeFather

i just want frost to discover the gym weight room. i dont think a little more tone/strength would detract from game and might prevent standard check injuries.

Refer to V Taresenko how shoulder surgery and hockey works out….
Don’t think the kid plays a full season ever.
- konalover711

There was an entire study done on hockey players and shoulder injuries over a 14-season period, including a look at effectiveness pre and post injury.

Basically most players players experienced no dip in performance as long as their shoulders were repaired and they didn't injure the same shoulder again.

Frosty's gonna be fine. Not everybody w/ a shoulder injury = Tarasenko.

There’s no way they don’t lose a decent player, but there’s also no way they lose something franchise altering.

McCann will likely be selected, and that does sting a decent bit.
- stayinthefnnet

What do you think about exposing Jarry? Also, is Friedman the 2nd best RHD in the Pens organization?

i just want frost to discover the gym weight room. i dont think a little more tone/strength would detract from game and might prevent standard check injuries.
- biggbear77

Shoulder separations are ligament injuries caused by direct impact. He could have had 20lbs more muscle and still had his shoulder pop out.

Yeah, could be a poopshow. Really hoping Hayes' injury caused his poor play, and he bounces back. If not, then they're screwed anyway...
In my very limited viewing of Allison, the one thing that stood out the most was his solid decision making & positioning. Seemed to be in the right place at the right time quite often. I just thought that Frost could benefit from a player like that on his wing as opposed to Jake
- Big_E_88

what I noticed with Allison ( and, again this could disappear as soon as he gets a roster spot) is that he played with a sense of urgency that it was clear he is either going to be in the dirty areas or he won't play at all.

I don't want him to get too comfortable a la scott hartnell (can we bring back Harntell Down for his TV appearances lol)

without revealing my source:

i'm hearing there are two cliques in the flyers - Giroux's camp and the Hayes camp.

Tear me apart all you want, question me all you want - obviously I am not going to tell where I heard this from but....

if this was the situation in the locker room - what do you do?

do you hold more loyalty to Giroux (my belief) or do you cater to the guy you just gave a NMC to?

If you want to look RESPECTABLE as a franchise you do whatever the (frank) Giroux wants. Although I am also told management wants to move him.

E5

without revealing my source:

i'm hearing there are two cliques in the flyers - Giroux's camp and the Hayes camp.

Tear me apart all you want, question me all you want - obviously I am not going to tell where I heard this from but....

if this was the situation in the locker room - what do you do?

do you hold more loyalty to Giroux (my belief) or do you cater to the guy you just gave a NMC to?

If you want to look RESPECTABLE as a franchise you do whatever the (frank) Giroux wants. Although I am also told management wants to move him.
- black_francis

If you’re saying choose between giroux and Hayes it’s not much of a choice. And I like Hayes too.

Refer to V Taresenko how shoulder surgery and hockey works out….
Don’t think the kid plays a full season ever.
- konalover711

Well, it worked out fine for an aging Teemu Selänne (31G, 80 points next season after missing 29 games due shoulder surgery). Worked out fine for Tim Kerr (48G, 88 PTS in RS, 14g, 25 pts in 19 playoff games) a year after multiple shoulder procedures and being limited to 8 GP in 1987-88. Alex Tanguay couldn't get back to his previous level but still had 69 points in 79 GP about 18 calendar months after surgery on an AC joint separated shoulder and partially torn labrum. Simon Gagne fell to 9 goals and 27 points in 46 games in 2002-03 due to a serious shoulder injury but bounced back the next season and later had back-to-back 40-goal seasons.


In other words, every player and every situation is different. Shoulder surgery and even multiple shoulder procedures doesn't automatically end a player's availability or productivity.

What do you think about exposing Jarry? Also, is Friedman the 2nd best RHD in the Pens organization?
- NC Flyers Fan

no, but i believe marino is exempt. as to the other defenders, its a salary game. both matheson and petterson are decent NHLers, but neither are bargain deals and i would welcome the salary leaving. i dont think either will be selected.

similarly, i dont think they have the assets or flexibility for a change in goal but i would welcome that as well. i dont think jarry would even be sniffed. if that is in fact the list, im pretty sure it would be mccann with an outside shot at zucker. i still think zucker is a good player, but he just doesnt fit with malkin and i wouldnt mind losing that salary either. he is close to your version of hoping JVR goes rather than say like haag.

without revealing my source:

i'm hearing there are two cliques in the flyers - Giroux's camp and the Hayes camp.

Tear me apart all you want, question me all you want - obviously I am not going to tell where I heard this from but....

if this was the situation in the locker room - what do you do?

do you hold more loyalty to Giroux (my belief) or do you cater to the guy you just gave a NMC to?

If you want to look RESPECTABLE as a franchise you do whatever the (frank) Giroux wants. Although I am also told management wants to move him.
- black_francis

Obviously Giroux >>>> Hayes.

But with the way the team is currently constructed they probably aren’t winning with G as a centerpiece at this point.

Not really sure what the beef with each other would be tho. Does Hayes want the front office to to rebuild around him? Does he want to wear the C? Does he want to run the PP?